Fishing is just not fun and maybe you will like my suggestion. (Wall of text)

Now for starters let me just say that there is an aspect of fishing I enjoy. Even some of the RNGness to it has a certain awesome feel and honestly if they remove the RNG it will just not be fun at all.

That being said for any endgame fishers out there let me suggest to you that you turn off Netflix for a moment and watch what you are doing while trying to catch a fish like Warden of the Seven Hues. Thankfully Castlevania is a damn good show but when I actually think of how much time I spent trying to catch this dumb fish for it to show up for 2 minutes because thank God the stars aligned, bite twice and both times fail because LOLRNG is extremely soul crushing (Let's not even talk about Ruby Dragon).

It's incredible to me that Ocean fishing is more rewarding (Titles, Mounts, Achievements) than all of fishing combined even with all it's stupid RNG. Even if you fail, in 2 hours time you might have better luck since it's a simple controlled environment.

Now I know what you are thinking. "Engel Fishing is not for you." and to that I say, you are right. There are 10 of us and now there will be 9, I am putting fishing away until maybe they decide to actually make it fun, where my gameplay doesn't devolve into "Watch Netflix lol". They are making every other DoL and DoH more engaging yet they throw Fisher in the dirt with minor things, I know Ocean Fishing is an attempt to make it to so but can we please fix the rest??


RANT OVER, SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT WORK:

Ocean Fishing should be the endgame focus for Fisher, yes it's RNG but it's in a controlled environment where the rare fishes will be available as long as you are in the instance and meet the conditions (No need for stupid external websites to guide you along). It will also be expanded in the future with even more fun things to do as a group.

Outisde of Ocean Fishing honestly some of the conditions for the fish to show up should stay, HOWEVER here are some of the things I would change:

For Fishes that have heavy conditions for it to show up (Warden of the Seven Hues), the bite rate should be %100 once conditions are met but the Catch rate should stay relatively low (No, not %20)

For fishes that show up once a year (Ruby Dragon) bite and catch rate should honestly be very high don't want to make it %100 because again Fisher is RNG but god increase this thing...

For fishes that are straight catch, OK these you can keep as is because with enough consistency you will catch em.

Intuition buffs should last LONGER once activated or last as long as fish is in active window!!

What the hell is patience!!! If you want a guaranteed HQ fish just straight use Precision or Powerful hookset and have more emphasis on your stats for this.


Please guys I know I'm ranting because I wasn't blessed by RNGJesus Fish but please lets get some feedback going and lets move this up to at least get some attention on the subject.

most of the fish are incredible easy to come by. Your examples are the final expansion patch legendary fish, which are supposed to be a challenge (since 95% of all other fish are not)

that said, there are 12 out of 218 big fish that have 'legendary' status and maybe 10 normal ones that are slightly less easy to get. I dont think that they should nerf it. Focus the easiest ones first and just try the others whenever you feel like it. Thats enough to get all of them in some time

I just wish Fishing would Get a option to show the fish that you catch instend of your Fish being a magical white light that turns into a Fish when it gets to your invi.

really the best fishing I've ever seen in a game was Dark cloud with the FP=Items you could get some really nice stuff like that that made fishing almost more fun than the combat.

Because in this game What is even the point in fishing on the Mb most of the fish in the game don't sell past 500gil lol

Atleast in final fantasy xi there was a guy at the fishing docks that would buy the fish you caught

I think fishing should be like other content. When its outdated then it should be easier to do.

So if you want to fish "endgame" fishes in shadowbringer RNG, luck and equiment will play a role. But if you try for the big fish in older expansion the equipment should make it easier. So if you want a big fish in ARR and you are there at the right time, with the right weather and the right bait it should be caught. You still have to do all these things but at least you wont miss a lvl 50 fish as a maxed out lvl 80 fisher..for me there is nothing fun in the pure RNG it has because its already so restricted thanks to time and weather. (I mean there are fishes that you can only catch every few rl weeks..)

So leave any challenge with a bit RNG for the newest fishes.

I am also a fan of having a bit of a mini game while fishing. Maybe if a big or rare fish bites you will have to press a certain round of buttons that will pop up. Anything to make it more engaging.

Also maybe make it possible for us to exchange rare fish for currency. Right now I need thousands of items for ship building and other stuff, yet I either run the low dungeons hundreds of times for a chance to get them or I need a huge amount of currency to buy them at my company..wish we had more places to get these things.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I think fishing should be like other content. When its outdated then it should be easier to do.

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It is though. Lots of the fish that used to be hard in earlier expansions are made easier with later expansion's abilities. E.g. it becomes much easier to get a double mooch in a specific weather/time window when you can mimic mooch procs with Mooch II. I'm also pretty sure the higher gathering and perception caps make the RNG more likely too, although there's likely a cap in place. Even if so, it's going to be maxed out which is still better than when the content was new.

None of the older content fish are trivialized, however, so if that's what is being asked for then I'm not in support of that.

My only gripe with fishing is that it needs more incorporation into crafting. Right now alsmost every single fish is just vendor garbage with the exception of a select few. a mitt-full of fish actually have a point. But there are well over 600+ fish now and 99% are entirely POINTLESS beyond just catching for an achievement.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

My only gripe with fishing is that it needs more incorporation into crafting. Right now alsmost every single fish is just vendor garbage with the exception of a select few. a mitt-full of fish actually have a point. But there are well over 600+ fish now and 99% are entirely POINTLESS beyond just catching for an achievement.

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Most all of the non-crafting material fish are for quest or turn ins, for leves and such.
A few are for specific desyntheses drops.
But, yeah, there should be waaaay more crafting material fish.
I mean, I know some killer Rainbow Trout recipes in RL, but I can't cook a Rainbow Trout in game :P

Fishing being unfun is what makes it fun

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I think fishing should be like other content. When its outdated then it should be easier to do.

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It already is. At 80 you have Patience, Mooch 2, capped stats relative to older fishing holes, more GP and higher regen, etc. Older big fishing absolutely gets easier over time. It just never gets completely trivialized the way other content does.

And I get this, The only reason I use STORMBLOOD (which is an old expansion now not current content) examples is because it’s what I’m shooting for now but just FYI I’m still hunting one for Heavensward. Dumb fish shows up after 20hrs sometimes, stars align and I get Intuition aaaand doesn’t even bite, amazing gameplay.

Again I’ve been playing fisher for a looong time, there is a reason why it was the least leveled job until now. You don’t even use your owns skill or deduction to catch it, you go online read data mined info watch when it pops to try your “luck” wow.

This also does not answer the concern of Fishing being a Netflix simulator, that’s why I say that even Ocean fishing is more engaging and rewarding than all of fishing combined.

Hey maybe that’s what you enjoy, watching Netflix is nice and you find menial task decided by luck to be your thing, but I dare you to try fishing without doing anything else (No Netflix, let’s even say no datamined info) and tell me it’s fun and engaging.

I wonder if Netflix fishing is why I have yet to see 3 spectrals in a single run. Watching other people fish I can't always tell how engaged and/or effective they are with the content.

Ocean Fishing has its own problems that we can talk about and even there it’s still more engaging because there are changing factors within the instance. Even then Ocean fishing has rewards to look forward to, normal fishing you have to do even less, deal with even more RNG and get even LESS reward. Ocean Fishing is NOT the big problem right now but it does need some fixing.
Thank you for your input, support this and let’s bring attention to this issue.

I'm curious what your compulsion to do it is if you don't enjoy the thrill of finally catching a difficult fish, and would prefer have it changed to be so forgettable.

Personally I would get no enjoyment from big fishing if it was 100% catch rate under the right time/weather conditions; we already have Sightseeing Log for that.

The changes you proposed would make sense to me for specific fish that are used for crafting, but big fishing is very much providing the intended challenge for those who enjoy it. I would hate to see it change.

I do not want %100 catch rate as I said. As a matter of fact none of my solutions say that they have a %100 catch rate, obviously that destroys the whole process. I just don't want "luck" to be as much of a factor, because luck is not a challenge. Now again there has to be a way to balance this, if you are going to make some of these fishes difficult, at least make them rewarding. Like why the hell was Sea Butterfly difficult?? You don't even get an achievement for that dumb Sh***. Hey Realm Reborn gave you stuff at least right?

Let me use Warden as an example once again because I actually think Warden is rewarding since now you can place him in the Aquarium which is pretty cool.
I attempted to catch 3 indigo fishes(not rare) and only got 2 because lolrng, thats at least another 45min of literally waiting and watching Netflix. WOW what a challenge!! Hey next window comes around and holy snap I got the intuition buff for 2min, the dumb(smart?) bastard bites MAYBE twice and when he does it's LOLRNG%20 didn't catch and I have to spend either another wonderful 45min waiting for next window or hey maybe it's another day, maybe when you are at work, you get the point.
Just adding the intuition change I mentioned would fix this you don't have to make it %100 catch or anything.
Let's be honest too, Ocean fishing with all the BS it got, it's every 2 HOURS that you have a chance to catch whatever fish you'd like from there!! No waiting, no Netflix.

Regular fishing you just pop Netflix, pop your Datamined info and wait sometimes for literal hours, maybe even days! All in hopes that RNGOD gives you a good dice roll! NOT FUN
"Fisher being unfun is what makes it fun" I mean can you believe these non answers are the only thing we have to defend this mess?

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Originally Posted by Engel

Like why the hell was Sea Butterfly difficult?? You don't even get an achievement for that dumb

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You can put it on a canvas and display it as a rare trophy in your house. It's the only fish that looks like it, iirc.