Please reduce the CD and duration of Arm's Length.

Arm's length is a fun useful tool but can also be unreliable due to it's very lengthy CD.

I think just reducing the CD would make it more powerful than necessary, so I'd suggest reducing the duration to 4 or even 3 seconds would balance out the shortened CD.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Arm's length is a fun useful tool but can also be unreliable due to it's very lengthy CD.

I think just reducing the CD would make it more powerful than necessary, so I'd suggest reducing the duration to 4 or even 3 seconds would balance out the shortened CD.

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When can you actually use that ability for preventing drawback? Every time I tried it to cover for mechanics, it ended up not working.

I only use it for the slow effect on mob pulls, which is great. I'd rather not have the duration shortened for that, and cooldown is fine for that purpose imo.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

When can you actually use that ability for preventing drawback? Every time I tried it to cover for mechanics, it ended up not working.

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You're using it too late then. If it's on a cast bar, you have to use it before the cast is over, not relying on the animation.
As for knowing when... well that's the point. Playing the game and the content and what pushes you, and when to use it.

Why? You don't normally need it more than twice in hard fights, it's basically always available in any situation where you might need it. There are like a couple of exceptions in the whole game, and that's what skills like onslaught, shukuchi and the like are for.

I miss when Surecast, the ranged equivalent, was only 30s cd. Now it's 120 because...reasons :C

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

You're using it too late then. If it's on a cast bar, you have to use it before the cast is over, not relying on the animation.
As for knowing when... well that's the point. Playing the game and the content and what pushes you, and when to use it.

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I see, I don't remember how or when exactly I used it but I should try again.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Arm's length is a fun useful tool but can also be unreliable due to it's very lengthy CD.

I think just reducing the CD would make it more powerful than necessary, so I'd suggest reducing the duration to 4 or even 3 seconds would balance out the shortened CD.

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Reduce re-cast on Arm's Length; yes.

Reduce the Duration of Arm's Length; HECK NO!

Did you even read Arm's Length's effects?

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Did you even read Arm's Length's effects?

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^ This. Who knows, make that duration second or two lengthier instead. I would not complain.

I've never really had an issue with it's longer cooldown. Even in E4S most of the mechanics that Arms Length/Surecast can negate are spaced out in such a way that they're either ready by the next time it happens or the time after that - and if it isn't ready then simply doing the mechanic properly usually won't cause very many issue aside from a minor loss of uptime. That said if they start putting in more fights that have mechanics that require it I won't have an issue with the cooldown being reduced - and right now it's more of a 'ehhh, why' situation than an outright 'no'.

No the current duration of arms length covers lag variation and is great. Especially for tanks.

I think it should be removed from all classes except paladin since it has a shield, other classes should just save their teleports and other skills for knockbacks.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

I think it should be removed from all classes except paladin since it has a shield, other classes should just save their teleports and other skills for knockbacks.

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What "other skills" would most jobs use to avoid or lessen the obvious impact being knocked back causes?

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Why? You don't normally need it more than twice in hard fights, it's basically always available in any situation where you might need it. There are like a couple of exceptions in the whole game, and that's what skills like onslaught, shukuchi and the like are for.

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i mean the CD used to be like 30 seconds in sb. there's a few fights i can think of where id get at least 1 more use with a reduced cd (amphibious talos in Malika's well and e4s for example)

I oppose reducing its duration. Something about the nature of how FFXIV's netcode and general framework makes the timing for buffs finicky, even when you understand how it functions, and the flexibility to use it a GCD or two in advance helps assuage some of my grievances. Unless we drastically change the way things are applied to the status condition frame, and how they interact with other entities, tight timings with buffs or debuffs is annoying.

This does not address the knock-on effect for Arm's Length as a tank CD, though in the defence of your thesis there's a lot of benefit to decoupling actions that exist across different roles to give them fine-tuned versions, kind of like how casters use Surecast as it were. The slow on Arm's Length on physical DPS is a bit weird and the three roles that use it could benefit from their own secondary effects but I don't lose sleep over it.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I miss when Surecast, the ranged equivalent, was only 30s cd. Now it's 120 because...reasons :C

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It was increased because they didn't want to reduce arm's length cd, as prior casters had the unfair advantage of preventing practically every kb in a fight where melee could not while dealing equal amounts of dps or more in blm's case

I honestly believe that if Arm's Length and Surecast re-cast timers were reduced to 60 seconds, it wouldn't change anything except how often you use those skills... but then the devs would actually have to make dungeon trash interesting so that tanks aren't just constantly using Arm's Length+Reprisal+one other CD in big pulls...

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

What "other skills" would most jobs use to avoid or lessen the obvious impact being knocked back causes?

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all classes I have levelled except healers have some kind of teleport skill and sprint no longer uses all of your tp either so use that.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

I think it should be removed from all classes except paladin since it has a shield, other classes should just save their teleports and other skills for knockbacks.

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we already had this. it was called Tempered Will. It was stupid that PLD was the only tank to have on demand knockback prevention (albeit at a lengthy 3 min cd)

why do you want a job within a role to have an advantage over others for no reason? Arm's Length is fine as it is. A great cd for dungeons and usually up for any knockbacks in raids.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

we already had this. it was called Tempered Will. It was stupid that PLD was the only tank to have on demand knockback prevention (albeit at a lengthy 3 min cd)

why do you want a job within a role to have an advantage over others for no reason? Arm's Length is fine as it is. A great cd for dungeons and usually up for any knockbacks in raids.

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because I wan't classes to feel different insteaf of just having every class capable of doing everything.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

all classes I have levelled except healers have some kind of teleport skill and sprint no longer uses all of your tp either so use that.

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*cries in Summoner*

Dashes and Charges can negate a knock back - Sprint, however, can't.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

because I wan't classes to feel different insteaf of just having every class capable of doing everything.

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So... bring back cross-class then...?

I think the OP is only referring to the anti-knockback aspect, and not the Slow affect.

Why would it need a cooldown reduction?

the shadowbringer fights are DESIGNED with the cooldown in mind - Do you know what would happen if they reduced the cooldown? They'd increase the ammount of knockback skills so the only thing that would change is that it'd be pressed more which would be annoying.
Pre-shadowbringers only a few jobs had a knockback immunity - Namely PLD and WAR and maybe a few others i cant think of right now. This means that knockback prevention isn't needed for pre-5.0 fights, and the post 5.0 fights are designed with that availability of it in mind which means that on fights like E4S you actually have to use it tactically in P1 to make sure its up for the first blue in P2, for example, or just do the mechanic correctly.

It's also worth noting that if they reduced the cooldown then they'd also need to reduce the cooldown of surecast - Both surecast and arms length have aditional abilities tied to them in the form of guaranteed interupt-less casts and a slow-on-strike. If the duration was nerfed to 3-4 seconds as you say...That'd mean that Surecast wouldn't even last a single spell cast in the case of some jobs like blackmage's flare.

Useless thread is useless.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Why would it need a cooldown reduction?

the shadowbringer fights are DESIGNED with the cooldown in mind - Do you know what would happen if they reduced the cooldown? They'd increase the ammount of knockback skills so the only thing that would change is that it'd be pressed more which would be annoying.

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This. Broadly, knockbacks in ShB have been timed so that immunity can be used on alternating occurrences, forcing you to execute the mechanic as intended exactly half of the time. This is clearly a deliberate design choice. They wouldn't decrease the recast timers by half without also doubling the frequency of knockbacks in future content, so that knockback blockers can still only be used half the time.

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Pre-shadowbringers only a few jobs had a knockback immunity - Namely PLD and WAR and maybe a few others i cant think of right now. This means that knockback prevention isn't needed for pre-5.0 fights.

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In Stormblood, everyone had a knockback blocker except DRK MCH BRD. All mages had Surecast, all melee DDs Arm's Length, PLD Tempered Will, and WAR Holmgang.

Surecast originally was fairly pointless, as the Stormblood launch incarnation of Surecast kept the ARR/HW behavior of consuming the buff on start of spell cast, which meant it wouldn't block knockback unless you stopped casting for 3-5 seconds after activating it. This meant that using it was the same as or worse than just repositioning for the knockback and getting knocked back and then resuming your rotation. But once it was adjusted so as not to consume the buff, Surecast became severely OP--it was up for almost every knockback mechanic ever.

The knockback blockers available to Disciples of War were on longer timers and not available for every mechanic, but enough for about half of them? I don't DoW much, so not certain, but that's what it looked like when observing melee DDs in the Omegascapes.