Allow us to change our "secondary" weapon glamours for monk.

You know how paladin can have red flamey sword and blue flamey shield? I think it would be nice if we are given the option to change our left and right monk weapons as well. Also rdm rapiers and magicked crystal medium could be glammed differently too and it would be cool tbh. I don't think itll be too difficult to implement :confused:

The reason it works for PLD is because they actually have an offhand. The sword and shield are two different items. MNK fists are technically one item (you don't have to earn your left and right fists the same way a PLD has to earn his sword AND shield). Same with RDM mediums, they're technically part of the rapier and not an independent thing.

And Ninja and DNC and MCH with their weapon and lunchbox..

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

And Ninja and DNC and MCH with their weapon and lunchbox..

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I haven't touched mch. I haven't even unlocked it. It's very silly but part of the reason is the lunchbox. I really hate how it looks. I'm also generally not too fond of super techy classes, but the lunchbox is a contributing factor.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

The reason it works for PLD is because they actually have an offhand. The sword and shield are two different items. MNK fists are technically one item (you don't have to earn your left and right fists the same way a PLD has to earn his sword AND shield). Same with RDM mediums, they're technically part of the rapier and not an independent thing.

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Considering every shield after ronkan has exactly the same block rate and strength, im starting to think they should start merging the shields in to the sword slot aswell like every other single job in the game. PLD is that weird outlier.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Considering every shield after ronkan has exactly the same block rate and strength, im starting to think they should start merging the shields in to the sword slot aswell like every other single job in the game. PLD is that weird outlier.

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The fact that it would kill shield glamours is probably the only reason they haven't already done that.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

The reason it works for PLD is because they actually have an offhand. The sword and shield are two different items. MNK fists are technically one item (you don't have to earn your left and right fists the same way a PLD has to earn his sword AND shield). Same with RDM mediums, they're technically part of the rapier and not an independent thing.

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Applying ingame logic like that, sure, but it still doesn't make sense considering rapiers and magicked crystal are vastly different from each other that it deserves to be an off-hand as well. What makes sword/shield so different that it gotten "off-hand" stats is beyond me. It still wouldn't hurt to have them glammed differently for classes like nin, rdm, mnk and so on.

One idea would be to give all classes (or at least some) an off-hand "tool" that serves no purpose other than to apply glamours that overwrites the appearance of a part of your character, such as MCH lunchbox or your left hand weapon. We know adding an off-hand to a class is possible with the code due to Fisher and spearfishing. This glamour off-hand could even customize things like Warriors tank stance aura or the colour of WhM spells or add other little vanity tweaks.

I think every job that has "two weapons" should be able to convert old weapons into a glamour item that sits in the shield slot and functions as a glamour for your off-hand.

https://i.imgur.com/K03DdVv.png

For example, in mock up above the HoH RDM weapon has been converted to a statless crystal focus. When placed in the shield slot it overrides the floating crystal that normally accompanies the Murgleis Anemos with the one from the Empyrean Rapier.

Rogue/Ninja should be able to do it with daggers, Pugilist/Monk with different fist weapons and Dancer with their chakrams.

Code-wise, the sword and shield are two separate models within the system FFXIV uses to assemble final appearances of things. Monk weapons, the rapier and focus, the dual blades for ninja, etc... those are one model. Anything else aside—and as much as the ability to hide the lunchbox would make me more willing to play MCH—it seems likely that to do that they'd have to go back and split every one of those assets up. Not impossible by any means, but definitely not trivial.

Then there's the fact that literally every off-hand weapon other than shields are invisible until being used (DoH/DoL); shields seem to be special cases inasmuch as they appear alongside the main-hand one. This is, so far as I can tell, because the character rendering system has specific attachment points; one for each of the jobs, one for shields, and ones for main hand/off hand props. (Holding a goblet of wine, holding out a thing in the palm of your hand, etc.) That suggests each of those jobs would need the rendering code changed; you'd need a new rendering slot for the RDM focus, for the MCH lunchbox, etc.

Doesn't mean it's not a feature they might want to consider, just that "it shouldn't be too hard to do" doesn't necessarily mean it's not still potentially a fair pile of easy-but-time-consuming work.

Clearly they have gone away with meaningful use of offhands for combat. The only reason to keep it is glamour reason, which I must ask. Is it enough to change what is now a core fundamental? Anyone want black mages to use shields again?

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Clearly they have gone away with meaningful use of offhands for combat. The only reason to keep it is glamour reason, which I must ask. Is it enough to change what is now a core fundamental? Anyone want black mages to use shields again?

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I'd prefer to be able to glam a one handed BLM weapon if possible. Mainly because they rest on the hip rather than your back and therefore don't clip through your hair/hat.

Still, I think that'd be even more work than making glamour off-hands. One handed and two handed options for WHM/BLM are technically entirely separate weapons, from the games perspective I think it would be like trying to glam a PLD sword over a MCH gun.

That sounds actually neat, OP. But I can already foresee the response: Spaghetti Code (Please look forward to it). lol

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Considering every shield after ronkan has exactly the same block rate and strength, im starting to think they should start merging the shields in to the sword slot aswell like every other single job in the game. PLD is that weird outlier.

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Honestly, if paladin/gladiator had been added post 2.0 I suspect that the sword/shields would come as one singular item and that we only get it the way it is now because of legacy code, and people would complain about having the options we have now taken away.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

from the games perspective I think it would be like trying to glam a PLD sword over a MCH gun.

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Plot Twist:

That's how they added GNB!

On Topic:

It'd be nice to allow the dual wielding jobs to be able to use multiple glams for MH and OH weapons. Though, how feasible it would be is uncertain, since it would involve going through all of the current weapons and modulizing them so that MH and OH are actually seperate objects, in addition to then adding in some sort of way to glam the OH's.

Given that we still don't have the capabilities to have Glams save to equipment sets and instead still rely on them saving to the item it's not a particularly simple case of just adding in an OH slot that can override the appearance of the OH item.

That said, I can still hope they'll add in a way to do Glams saving to equipment sets and thus set the precedent needed to make this functionality to work, especially since the sooner they do it, the less weapons they need to go back and work on to allow the asymmetrical weapon glams function.

It's not impossible to figure out a way to do this with Glams, though, it all depends on how badly the spaghetti code messes with stuff.

For example, if they add in a tab on your equipment screen (Possibly by simply using the Glamour Plate button, with it having the option to load a saved plate as an extra button at the bottom of your character image with the other options) which opens up a "Dummy Equipment" screen, like the one you see when making a Glamour Plate which you can then save Glamours to, where slots you add Glamours to will override equipped items while slots left blank will use your equipped item appearance instead (Just like applying a Glamour Plate currently does)

That would allow for saving of Glamours to an equipment set, not only allowing for the possibility of them then expanding on it to afford this suggestion of alternate OH weapon Glams, but also mean that you can use multiple different Glams between Equipment Sets that use shared Equipment (I.e. If all my Tanks are using the same "Generic Tomestone Armour of Fending" I'd be able to use a different Glam on all 4 of them)

But again, it depends on what their spaghetti code will let them do. It could be if they tried this something weird would happen, like the game deletes all Lalafells or something... (Perhaps they should do it anyway :p )