Gunbreaker - Should Superbolide keep HP of recent healings?

I think we've all seen plenty of memes about GNBs using superbolide just as they received a cooldown heal which immediately nullifies the advantage. While it's all fun and games in the post game I feel like in the action this gives a lot of people a lot of unnecessary stress so I wondered if there was a solution to that while keeping the skills' intended risky nature.

The best I was able to come up with was the idea of Superbolide's HP burn "ignoring" recently incoming heals. For that I would use a 1 second window, to compensate for lag or a player's slow reaction. This means that, for example, when a white mage casts Tetragrammaton to restore 50,000 points of health, and the GNB activates Superbolide less than a second afterwards, they will be left with 50,001 HP.

I think the window is strict enough to prevent players from abusing this in some way, and it would primarily fix the frustration that stems from poor communication, particularly in PUG raids where the lack of voice comm makes writing "I am going to activate Superbolide" a time-consuming and therefore irrecommendable tactic.

Nah.
How about we remove that one frame before the invuln applies where if you're taking too many hits of incoming damage you die from the 1HP thing instead.

Or, you know, communicate with your tank/healer if you think this is difficult? Bolide needs no change, your playstyle and problem-solving approach does.

I mean... You could just use Superbolide BEFORE your health drops low enough to make a healer panic heal you...

Really, the only thing I'd like to see for these Invuln skills, is something like a change in colour of your HP bar as a clear indicator to healers that you've got the effect activated, so they're less inclined to panic and pop Benediction or something when a DRK/WAR/GNB suddenly drops to 1HP despite there being this few seconds of being unkillable.

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Originally Posted by DeLite

Or, you know, communicate with your tank/healer if you think this is difficult? Bolide needs no change, your playstyle and problem-solving approach does.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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For dungeon pulls, just put "gonna bolide at low, hold bene" before you start running. It's not that hard. And everything beyond dungeons, people should be skilled enough as healers to expect you to bolide at low.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Nah.
How about we remove that one frame before the invuln applies where if you're taking too many hits of incoming damage you die from the 1HP thing instead.

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It's intentional, I'm sure you may be aware.
But for those that aren't, it's not designed to be your panic button, it's for planned cooldown usage. If you need a panic button it's going to have some degree of failure as it's punishment for messing something up.

No, not needeed.
It's unfortunate when it happens, but that's not really a problem since gnb is invuln anyway.
Yeah it sucks to cast the big heal to see him drop again to 1 but oh well, happens.

LMAO

If the healer uses their cooldown just as you activate Superbolide, that's a healer issue. That's completely on them!

I can't even believe this is a deal, let alone a big deal whatsoever. They literally have until Superbolide ends before using their cooldown.

i don't really know why that skill getting a most hate and even become a meme, it sound horrible at first, yes, but now i think that skill is quite nice, play both GNB and SCH myself

superbolie is like an inferior version of HG of PLD with shorter cooldown, it take all of your HP to 1 but let you take no damage why active, so healer can just slowly get GNB HP up in that duration, unlike DRK and WAR they need to throw out a big instant heal as soon as possible or else both tank HP will stay at 1 and take a risk of die by an auto attack after the duration finish

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Originally Posted by Chris310

I think we've all seen plenty of memes about GNBs using superbolide just as they received a cooldown heal which immediately nullifies the advantage. While it's all fun and games in the post game I feel like in the action this gives a lot of people a lot of unnecessary stress so I wondered if there was a solution to that while keeping the skills' intended risky nature.

The best I was able to come up with was the idea of Superbolide's HP burn "ignoring" recently incoming heals. For that I would use a 1 second window, to compensate for lag or a player's slow reaction. This means that, for example, when a white mage casts Tetragrammaton to restore 50,000 points of health, and the GNB activates Superbolide less than a second afterwards, they will be left with 50,001 HP.

I think the window is strict enough to prevent players from abusing this in some way, and it would primarily fix the frustration that stems from poor communication, particularly in PUG raids where the lack of voice comm makes writing "I am going to activate Superbolide" a time-consuming and therefore irrecommendable tactic.

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If it's healer problem, then Aurora needs to be buffed to where it's an instant 1200 cure potency with it's current effect on top of 200 cure potency regen for 18 seconds.

Does not matter one way or the other to me.
The skill works well enough as is and I have no problem with it, but I would not loose my shit if they made it easier for those who at the moment have a problem with how it works.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

If it's healer problem, then Aurora needs to be buffed to where it's an instant 1200 cure potency with it's current effect on top of 200 cure potency regen for 18 seconds.

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Then your issue is with how the skill works outside of party-play. Because in group content, healers have until the very end of Superbolide to get your HP back up to surviveable levels. If they use a cooldown just before you used Superbolide, then that's their problem.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Then your issue is with how the skill works outside of party-play. Because in group content, healers have until the very end of Superbolide to get your HP back up to surviveable levels. If they use a cooldown just before you used Superbolide, then that's their problem.

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Green DPS: But mah deeps!

Blue DPS: Mah deeps are more important any Green DPS' deeps!

Red DPS: HEAL ME!!!

Does that sound about right or am I missing something...?

Short answer - no

Long answer - no, use your cooldowns properly, this is a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

If it's healer problem, then Aurora needs to be buffed to where it's an instant 1200 cure potency with it's current effect on top of 200 cure potency regen for 18 seconds.

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If it was to function like that. I'd think it would have to be split. Make the self heal only apply to yourself and the regen you either give someone after you heal yourself or have both effects apply to you if a friendly target isnt selected.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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You only need to hit one button, just make a macro.

I aboslutely 100% understand the sentiment of superbolide in dungeons you run into those issues as a tank where you go to hit the invuln button and as you do you see that Bene, or your HP jump up before plummeting. Definately is a feels bad moment.
In raid? I mean in a group genrally if you are clearing/farm you have your invulns planned out so that way healers can adjust to it. (Had an arguement with a tank saying never to use your invulns unless to save other players, to which I understand they COULD be used for that, but that's not my job to cover for another player's screw up.)

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Nah.
How about we remove that one frame before the invuln applies where if you're taking too many hits of incoming damage you die from the 1HP thing instead.

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Is this really still a thing?
I thought they fixed this.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

You only need to hit one button, just make a macro.

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So 2 buttons.
Because if I've already hit the macro that uses Superbolide AND alerts that I'm using it, it's already too late.
And then, I'm delaying the use of Superbolide, to the point it might be too late, and I die...

The only thing I want for Superbolide is for the Invuln effect to apply before the HP drop.