Can you please retire Gerolt?

I saw in the special site that one AGAIN Gerolt will be involved with the relic weapons. I am really tired of him and his kettles. There have to be other smiths that could fix the relics that wouldn't require some weird reason for him to be in bosja. Honestly the eureka weapons were not even legendary feeling because it was just junk he hammered together from mats we found. At least arr relics were ancient weapons of past heros and heavensward relics were living beings we helped create. But enough is enough, surely by now you should have let him pay off his debt or have learned his lesson or something. But no, yet again we get an endless amount of kettle references. It's too late for this expansion but maybe next one we could be spared Gerolt and get someone new and exciting rather than dull, drunk and cranky.

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Originally Posted by Liale

I saw in the special site that one AGAIN Gerolt will be involved with the relic weapons. I am really tired of him and his kettles. There have to be other smiths that could fix the relics that wouldn't require some weird reason for him to be in bosja. Honestly the eureka weapons were not even legendary feeling because it was just junk he hammered together from mats we found. At least arr relics were ancient weapons of past heros and heavensward relics were living beings we helped create. But enough is enough, surely by now you should have let him pay off his debt or have learned his lesson or something. But no, yet again we get an endless amount of kettle references. It's too late for this expansion but maybe next one we could be spared Gerolt and get someone new and exciting rather than dull, drunk and cranky.

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For better or worse, he is the best Smith in the land. No one else can compare.

I mean, who cares? I just want my sparkly weapon.

I just want him to be free from Rowena. Maybe let Khloe grow up and have her be his apprentice. Since she likes stories, then she might like to know stories of weapons.

There's definitely some characters that I'd like to see retired at this point. Enduring yet another liberation plot is going to be rather stale, too...though hopefully with Matsuno in charge we'll get some shades of FF12 and the narrative will shift from destroying/breaking apart Garlemald towards seeking to save it and forge peace.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For better or worse, he is the best Smith in the land. No one else can compare.

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We'll use Eden to create someone better then. :>

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For better or worse, he is the best Smith in the land. No one else can compare.

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We can't actually be sure of that though since eorzia has been cut off from the, presumably since clouds cover a third of the map, other two continents for quite a while. In fact we didn't even see any of Thavnir or Nagxia. We have no idea what is in the Garlean Empire or Ilsabard. There could very well be smiths just as equally talented in other parts of the world. Gerolt is just the best in Eorzia. Untill we go to all the places on the map you can't say he is the absolute best.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Gerolt's been the go-to whenever it's come to Relic, given how we got him started back in ARR with the Zodiac Weapon. I think why they're using him again is because the community as a whole could've become attached to him in regards to what memories are made with the Relic process. However, remember that Gerolt is never alone in making the Relic, so my good guess is he's going to work together with the Rhothgar smith(assuming that guy is a smith...).

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Actually he was alone in eureka, which probably contributed to the "legendary" weapons we got from there being trash he threw together. But, being paired with someone is not that interesting either as it's just going to be the same story where he works with them to make the weapon and then they fight over who did the most work. We have already had two expansions of that.

I think the new Gerolt with his hair-weave is pretty cool. I think it was pretty obvious given the dialog in the main story and his new location that he would be involved with the new relic quest. Going to be interesting to see how they weave the new workshop location in Tempest into the relic quest itself.

I just hope the relic quest is fun. Personally I enjoyed Eureka and BA and hope we get something new. Last thing I want to see is a quest line that has us running old content over and over again.

So Cid apparently not only been reused so much for every expansion, but also across almost every FF series, would you retired that poor sod engineer already?

Also chocobo retire that, and moogles too for that matter

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Originally Posted by ReviaInfantry

So Cid apparently not only been reused so much for every expansion, but also across almost every FF series, would you retired that poor sod engineer already?

Also chocobo retire that, and moogles too for that matter

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Cid is pretty different in every final fantasy. When was the last time you actually used your chocobo as a mount? And finally there are already plenty of people that have called for the death of all moogles every since they had to deal with them in the churning mists.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think the new Gerolt with his hair-weave is pretty cool. I think it was pretty obvious given the dialog in the main story and his new location that he would be involved with the new relic quest. Going to be interesting to see how they weave the new workshop location in Tempest into the relic quest itself.

I just hope the relic quest is fun. Personally I enjoyed Eureka and BA and hope we get something new. Last thing I want to see is a quest line that has us running old content over and over again.

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The norvrandt version of gerolt will not be in the story. They already said the relics will be in the hrothgar homeland of bosja, which is in the source, where we will restore weapons that were held by the former queen's guards before the garlean invasian.

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Originally Posted by Liale

The norvrandt version of gerolt will not be in the story. They already said the relics will be in the hrothgar homeland of bosja, which is in the source, where we will restore weapons that were held by the former queen's guards before the garlean invasian.

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Humm... ok well seems like having a special workshop in Tempest for a small part of the story seems pretty odd but I guess I'll have to wait and see how that plays out.

So Cid apparently not only been reused so much for every expansion, but also across almost every FF series, would you retired that poor sod engineer already?

Also chocobo retire that, and moogles too for that matter.

Jokes aside, this is my visualization in 5.2:
Scions : Hey we back, oh hi Cid why you wounded.

Cid: *grunts in pain in sync with Crystal Exarch*

Rowena: *jump out of nowhere,dragging Gerolt* Oh hey you came back from another world? There's moar gil there? Gerolt go and earn me their adventurer gil.

Gerolt: No...

Rowena: think about your debt! Also the alcohol there.

Gerolt: I'm packing now.

WoL: actually you don't need to, there's a guy there who look like you there who can do the same thingy.

Gerolt: *grab WoL and drag him away* What in seven hells! No one beats Gerolt, screw packing we're leaving right now!

Rowena will never let him go. Even if we find someone with superior skills she would just keep him while trying to acquire the other guy... >.>

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Originally Posted by Liale

I saw in the special site that one AGAIN Gerolt will be involved with the relic weapons. I am really tired of him and his kettles. There have to be other smiths that could fix the relics that wouldn't require some weird reason for him to be in bosja. Honestly the eureka weapons were not even legendary feeling because it was just junk he hammered together from mats we found. At least arr relics were ancient weapons of past heros and heavensward relics were living beings we helped create. But enough is enough, surely by now you should have let him pay off his debt or have learned his lesson or something. But no, yet again we get an endless amount of kettle references. It's too late for this expansion but maybe next one we could be spared Gerolt and get someone new and exciting rather than dull, drunk and cranky.

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Trying to write Gerolt out of the game at this point would be like trying to replace Cid with some other Garlean inventor.

Rest assured that we'll be seeing Gerolt likely until the end of the game (7.X?) when he probably finally patches things up with Rowena... only to still wind up in horrible debt anyway.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Rowena will never let him go. Even if we find someone with superior skills she would just keep him while trying to acquire the other guy... >.>

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Originally Posted by linay

I just want him to be free from Rowena. Maybe let Khloe grow up and have her be his apprentice. Since she likes stories, then she might like to know stories of weapons.

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If you two paid attention to the lore behind Rowena and Gerolt you would realize it's the other way around. It's as much Rowena is keeping him on the hook as Gerolt giving her reason to do so on purpose despite what he said.

They were husband and wife, and Gerolt loved Rowena dearly. But she's obsessed with ambition and was about to get herself killed. Gerolt decided to step in and did certain thing - the short version is he bankrupt Rowena but at the same time saved her life. This made them divorce, and Rowena set out to rebuild her fortune/ambition, it might have started out she got him on the hook to pay back what he made her lose but this is just Gerolt's excuse to stay by Rowena and support her dream while keeping an eyes on her. He still loved her despite no longer being her husband. Remember Gerolt had paid off his debt several times, and each time he always did something dumb to be indebt to her again. Do you think he's that stupid? And someone as smart Rowena probably realize his intention long ago and just play along.

Honestly, I feel bad for Gerolt because no matter how hard he works, no matter what he does for us, that witch Rowena won't let him go until he drops dead from exhaustion. I swear she is Zodiark in diguise.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

If you two paid attention to the lore behind Rowena and Gerolt you would realize it's the other way around. It's as much Rowena is keeping him on the hook as Gerolt giving her reason to do so on purpose despite what he said.

They were husband and wife, and Gerolt loved Rowena dearly. But she's obsessed with ambition and was about to get herself killed. Gerolt decided to step in and did certain thing - the short version is he bankrupt Rowena but at the same time saved her life. This made them divorce, and Rowena set out to rebuild her fortune/ambition, it might have started out she got him on the hook to pay back what he made her lose but this is just Gerolt's excuse to stay by Rowena and support her dream while keeping an eyes on her. He still loved her despite no longer being her husband. Remember Gerolt had paid off his debt several times, and each time he always did something dumb to be indebt to her again. Do you think he's that stupid? And someone as smart Rowena probably realize his intention long ago and just play along.

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That's...even worse! lol

They should at least reconcile. And I still like my Khole idea.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Rowena will never let him go. Even if we find someone with superior skills she would just keep him while trying to acquire the other guy... >.>

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He is forever indebted to her. But not necessarily because of an overwhelming amount of courtesy fees (he probably owes the equivalent of a bar tab). His problem is anytime he comes across some funds or a commission, he pisses it away in booze. Rowena though, being the ruthless, cutthroat shark she is; likely uses that to her advantage to keep the world's best weaponsmith at arms length. If there was a better guy, Gerolt would likely be headed towards sobriety.

I like Gerolt returning. It's kind of the... running gag? I think is the phrase. I just hope the weapons themselves have stories this time. The Eureka weapons didn't have stories. It was just the story of the island. I also hope they wont be tied to having a certain number of Eureka like actions cause I still don't have 30 of those stupid things and never did get a Eureka weapon. Not that it matter as they were ugly and had no story attached to them like the Zodiac and Anima weapons did.

As soon as I saw the back of that bald head during the msq my first thought was "oh no....." Before laughing.
I think there was unique dialogue for those who have completed relics?

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

If you two paid attention to the lore behind Rowena and Gerolt you would realize it's the other way around. It's as much Rowena is keeping him on the hook as Gerolt giving her reason to do so on purpose despite what he said.

They were husband and wife, and Gerolt loved Rowena dearly. But she's obsessed with ambition and was about to get herself killed. Gerolt decided to step in and did certain thing - the short version is he bankrupt Rowena but at the same time saved her life. This made them divorce, and Rowena set out to rebuild her fortune/ambition, it might have started out she got him on the hook to pay back what he made her lose but this is just Gerolt's excuse to stay by Rowena and support her dream while keeping an eyes on her. He still loved her despite no longer being her husband. Remember Gerolt had paid off his debt several times, and each time he always did something dumb to be indebt to her again. Do you think he's that stupid? And someone as smart Rowena probably realize his intention long ago and just play along.

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Actually, from what I remember, it is a bit different from that. Yes, they were married, yes Gerolt did something to take all of Rowena's money to essentially save her life.

The reason Rowena was being targeted by assailants wasn't because she was too ambitious, but because she absconded with a bunch of loan money to go after Gerolt after he was kicked out of Ul'dah due to the machinations of his old master. Though they lived together for a while, Gerolt soon realized the truth, and then behind her back, ran off with the money to pay back the debtors before disappearing. Rowena then became a self-made women and began to search for Gerolt (whether for revenge or for love I don't know) By the time she found him again, he had become a a broken man bereft of love and zest for his art, a drunkard selling kettles in Hyrstmill, and she paid off HIS debt to try and inspire him to the passion he once held and that he shows time to time in the relic quests.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Humm... ok well seems like having a special workshop in Tempest for a small part of the story seems pretty odd but I guess I'll have to wait and see how that plays out.

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It already had a point: it's where you get your Job's weathered AF4 armour/weapon set from once you've done all the role quests for that Job's role (and was thus required to continue in ShB's storyline). As Liale mentioned, it has no connection whatsoever to the new relic quests as that will be connected with the Bozja Citadel which was in Ilsabard on the Source and is connected to the hrothgar as well as being in Garlean territory.

Bozja was infamously where Cid's father Midas nan Garlond under Nael van Darnus's direction first tested the Lunar Transmitter to control Dalamud in the late Sixth Astral Era, which only resulted in Dalamud blasting the entire city and it's inhabitants into molten slag - the GNB quests revealed that the hrothgar are trying to at least restore parts of it given it's their homeland.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It already had a point: it's where you get your Job's weathered AF4 armour/weapon set from once you've done all the role quests for that Job's role (and was thus required to continue in ShB's storyline). As Liale mentioned, it has no connection whatsoever to the new relic quests as that will be connected with the Bozja Citadel which was in Ilsabard on the Source and is connected to the hrothgar as well as being in Garlean territory.

Bozja was infamously where Cid's father Midas nan Garlond under Nael van Darnus's direction first tested the Lunar Transmitter to control Dalamud in the late Sixth Astral Era, which only resulted in Dalamud blasting the entire city and it's inhabitants into molten slag - the GNB quests revealed that the hrothgar are trying to at least restore parts of it given it's their homeland.

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Sounds interesting. Thank you for sharing this. Been taking a new alt though Eureka and about 50 crystals away from her WHM relic in Hydatos. A friend I'm doing it with on Crysal DC are planning on doing BA as well. Interestingly enough there seems to be a BA group in Hydatos every evening. I love relic and I just hope it'll be fun.

I feel similarly to TC. I get that it’s the “running gag” but it just doesn’t hit the same way recurring characters like Hildibrand do. More and more I find myself going “oh, it’s this guy again... let’s see what kind of miserable venture he’s being dragged into this time...”

Personally I like Gerolt and I like that he’s my personal blacksmith ^_^

Concerning in one of the ARR and HW relic steps he somehow boosted our weapon while fairly drunk has to show how good he is as I doubt anyone other than maybe the blacksmith guildmaster at the start of the ARR questline could make something of quality while drunker than a skunk.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

I feel similarly to TC. I get that it’s the “running gag” but it just doesn’t hit the same way recurring characters like Hildibrand do. More and more I find myself going “oh, it’s this guy again... let’s see what kind of miserable venture he’s being dragged into this time...”

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