Ground targeting

Can we make the ground targeting in this game not god awful? Using sacred soil feels like such a crap shoot because it doesn't go off half the time. Any offensive ground targets also basically require a macro because nobody wants to go through the headache of placing it down manually by having to click the ground where you want it to go. I swear at points it takes me 5+ clicks for the game to register I'm placing something down, it's aggravating, I basically have to spend an entire weave window on a single oGCD and that isn't even always a guarantee I won't clip. Can we add smart targeting, or at the very least, make ground targeting more responsive?

Never had this problem? And why does the answer for everything include making this game dumber to play?

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Never had this problem? And why does the answer for everything include making this game dumber to play?

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My goal isn't to make the game "dumber to play" It's to make it more convenient. I'm glad you haven't run into the issue, but while progging TEA I can't count the amount of times I click down on the area for sacred soil and it just refuses to go off, smart cast has been a standard in games for years now, the biggest example I can think of is league of legends, and that doesn't make the game "dumber" it makes it more convenient you don't have to spend that extra second to click where your ability is going to go and that's all I'm asking for.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

My goal isn't to make the game "dumber to play" It's to make it more convenient. I'm glad you haven't run into the issue, but while progging TEA I can't count the amount of times I click down on the area for sacred soil and it just refuses to go off, smart cast has been a standard in games for years now, the biggest example I can think of is league of legends, and that doesn't make the game "dumber" it makes it more convenient you don't have to spend that extra second to click where your ability is going to go and that's all I'm asking for.

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Hmm, I wonder how smart cast in a 3rd person perspective would play out. It works great for league because it's always an isometric camera view. I'd imagine it would be quite finicky with our cameras?

I wish there was an option like SWTOR had for ground target abilities...you could just double tap your hotkey for them and they'd place them centered on your current target...which I used 99% of the time because all the enemies I wanted to hit were always within that circle (if it was a ground target AoE damage ability for instance).

The game only registers a mouse click for an AoE if you press and release at the exact same spot. This makes it particularly hard to place Sacred Soil or similar while moving, since you're often unconsciously moving the mouse to account for camera motion. It's just plain a piece of bad UI code. Understanding the quirk helps to place things consistently, but it's still bad.

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Originally Posted by Frosthaven

Hmm, I wonder how smart cast in a 3rd person perspective would play out. It works great for league because it's always an isometric camera view. I'd imagine it would be quite finicky with our cameras?

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WoW allows smartcasting like this and it works perfectly. I can't even count the number of times that I saved pulls with a split second spirit link totem. XIV feels very painful in comparison.

this issue is irrelevant on scholar when you can just use energy drain instead

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Originally Posted by Corbeau

The game only registers a mouse click for an AoE if you press and release at the exact same spot. This makes it particularly hard to place Sacred Soil or similar while moving, since you're often unconsciously moving the mouse to account for camera motion. It's just plain a piece of bad UI code. Understanding the quirk helps to place things consistently, but it's still bad.



WoW allows smartcasting like this and it works perfectly. I can't even count the number of times that I saved pulls with a split second spirit link totem. XIV feels very painful in comparison.

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Thanks for the response! Haven't played wow in many, many years so I couldn't remember. I'm not against the concept in any way shape or form, for the record. Anything that can improve FFXIV inputs (be it gameplay or menu) I'm for.

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Never had this problem? And why does the answer for everything include making this game dumber to play?

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Making placement detection work properly doesn't make the game dumber.

Ground targeting in general is outdated with the way it's programmed... I shouldn't have to make 2 seperate macros(3 if healer) just for who to place a ground targeting ability like it was a regular AoE...

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Never had this problem? And why does the answer for everything include making this game dumber to play?

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QoL =/= dumbing down
especially when its just placing something as simple as sacred soil or Salted earth

That sounds more like a you problem? I have no issue on a controller. Maybe it's that.

Could this smart cast be accomplished with an MMO mouse macro, or is that against rules?

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

You could use

/ac "Sacred Soil" <t>

to use on target or <me> for self

dunno if that helps at all.

Edit: I don't know if <mo> would work for ground targeted spells? Never tried it. It is mouse over targeting.

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Yeah, I've tried the <t> macro thing with Salted Earth while playing DRK, and it is definitely not a solution I'd say...since this game seems to have specifically designed macros to suck, I find it doesn't reliably go off because of the forced GCD delay with FFXIV macros. Like I said before, I wish they'd just add a "double tap" option like SWTOR had for ground target abilities. Press the button once and it activates the ground target placement indicator, press the button again with a target selected and it will cast it centered right on them. I sure as hell know I can double tap a hotkey faster than I can get a macro to decide to finally go off in this game.

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Originally Posted by Macleod

Yeah, I've tried the <t> macro thing with Salted Earth while playing DRK, and it is definitely not a solution I'd say...since this game seems to have specifically designed macros to suck, I find it doesn't reliably go off because of the forced GCD delay with FFXIV macros. Like I said before, I wish they'd just add a "double tap" option like SWTOR had for ground target abilities. Press the button once and it activates the ground target placement indicator, press the button again with a target selected and it will cast it centered right on them. I sure as hell know I can double tap a hotkey faster than I can get a macro to decide to finally go off in this game.

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Yeah, you sort of have to mash the macro for it to come out "reliably", but even then it can still mess up and not occur. Ive heard filling every line of the macro with the same line can help, but Im not really sure.

Like:
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>