Can this be a thing.

I’ve been in and out of ffxiv since ffxiv a real reborn and I’ve had the same issue since And that’s the random procs now i understand its a thing but at the very least create a class that doesn’t rely on chance it’d be nice personally I see it as a nuisance my favourite class at one time was bard but because of all these random chances It’s put me off sometimes I do amazing damage sometimes it’s minimal sometimes it’s something else lol I don’t know
But one thing I do know an it’s I’m just not a fan of RNG with ability’s next expansion I hope to see something new through these years the games improved by a lot maybe because of all the small things you’ve decided to changed which in the end made a big difference such as ability’s that just took up space and the time accuracy was a thing (absolutely hated this stat for one) well I just felt like making my views heard since I’ve kept it bottled all these years :)

Places "." in title. Never uses it again.

Seriously though, there are a number of jobs that don't have procs, if that's your thing.

if you don't like proc based jobs, don't play proc based jobs?

Try Drg, no random procs and its awesome. Fly through the air, everyone wants you in the party, and you get to take a break whenever you want and no one gets upset

The only jobs that rely on random procs are BRD/DNC/RDM (heavily) and BLM (mildly). All other jobs have more or less fixed rotations

Also worth noting that monks (while in combat) only have a 50/70% chance to generate chakra (you unlock 70% as a trait at lvl 74) on a critical hit.

Your point is valid however my point was I enjoyed playing bard but the procs within the job turned me off why would I play dragoon when it’s not my play style lol common

I understand this but the problem is is I liked bard and was turned off by the procs I can’t force myself to play another life I’m not interested in nor want to play currently I play red mage and the procs tho I hate it is manageable so no complains there I wish they make this a reality for the rest

Yeah I’ve began playing samurai for this simple fact

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You need to press "reply with quote". The plain "reply" button does nothing to connect your post to the other one, and I'm not sure why we have it.

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I understand this but the problem is is I liked bard and was turned off by the procs I can’t force myself to play another life I’m not interested in nor want to play currently I play red mage and the procs tho I hate it is manageable so no complains there I wish they make this a reality for the rest

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BRD has always had procs—before the Stormblood rework, it was only Bloodletter/Rain of Death resets at a rate of 50% per critical DoT tick after one gained the River of Blood trait. Small, but it was still there. Honestly, the added procs of Pitch Perfect and Refulgent Arrow in SB made the job more interesting. Especially since they took away a lot of its oGCDs (e.g., Blunt Arrow, [damage-dealing] Repelling Shot, Flaming Arrow) and its buff rotation. Procs made the job more than just “Heavy Shot spam with Iron Jaws every 30 seconds”.

It’s fine if it’s not your taste—but perhaps you should try something that is more of your taste rather than ask for the job to basically be dumbed down even more than it has been in Shadowbringers. Perhaps you should look at MCH—they don’t have RNG or random procs, and I’ve heard that the ShB reworks is actually very good. It’s a physical ranged, like BRD, so perhaps it will be more your style than something like DRG.

Honestly, I think BRD’s RNG may be more apparent with its 40% fixed Repertoire now—and with the fact that sub-60 drops it down to 20% (like, why. Just why. I still don’t understand the reasoning behind that). Since there is no longer any way to manipulate it and increase its generation rate like there was in Stormblood. However, that was the developer’s solution to fix the job’s power creep—something that did need to be addressed last expansion.

If you don't llike procs, play one of the dozen jobs that doesn't have procs. Be a tank. Be a monk, samurai, or dragoon. Be a summoner or black mage. Be a healer. Be a machinist.

You have options, take one.

The MCH rework in ShB is indeed good, and got rid of procs entirely. I definitely recommend it if you're interested in a highly mobile ranged dps without procs.

I disagree that RDM is heavily proc based, at least compared to DNC/BRD. It's somewhere in the middle of how impactful procs are to a job's damage consistency. E.g. I can run a du.geon as Dancer and have less than my usual dps due to sheer bad luck with procs and vice versa, but I always get
very consistent dps numbers with my RDM.

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If you don't llike procs, play one of the dozen jobs that doesn't have procs. Be a tank. Be a monk, samurai, or dragoon. Be a summoner or black mage. Be a healer. Be a machinist.

You have options, take one.

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fixed that for you ;)

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You need to press "reply with quote". The plain "reply" button does nothing to connect your post to the other one, and I'm not sure why we have it.

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Thank you very much I almost never use the forums x)

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If you don't llike procs, play one of the dozen jobs that doesn't have procs. Be a tank. Be a monk, samurai, or dragoon. Be a summoner or black mage. Be a healer. Be a machinist.

You have options, take one.

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I’ve seen those options and it was the reason why I picked Bard and it’s also the reason why I made the post for these changes now if your worried about “dumbing down the job” I personally don’t feel like that would be true as the procs are just random chance it’s literally a nuisance it’s just not needed overall If anything needs changing it should be able to use the skill and have without the proc then have it proc to do more damage not completely greyed out this imo is the better option

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BRD has always had procs—before the Stormblood rework, it was only Bloodletter/Rain of Death resets at a rate of 50% per critical DoT tick after one gained the River of Blood trait. Small, but it was still there. Honestly, the added procs of Pitch Perfect and Refulgent Arrow in SB made the job more interesting. Especially since they took away a lot of its oGCDs (e.g., Blunt Arrow, [damage-dealing] Repelling Shot, Flaming Arrow) and its buff rotation. Procs made the job more than just “Heavy Shot spam with Iron Jaws every 30 seconds”.

It’s fine if it’s not your taste—but perhaps you should try something that is more of your taste rather than ask for the job to basically be dumbed down even more than it has been in Shadowbringers. Perhaps you should look at MCH—they don’t have RNG or random procs, and I’ve heard that the ShB reworks is actually very good. It’s a physical ranged, like BRD, so perhaps it will be more your style than something like DRG.

Honestly, I think BRD’s RNG may be more apparent with its 40% fixed Repertoire now—and with the fact that sub-60 drops it down to 20% (like, why. Just why. I still don’t understand the reasoning behind that). Since there is no longer any way to manipulate it and increase its generation rate like there was in Stormblood. However, that was the developer’s solution to fix the job’s power creep—something that did need to be addressed last expansion.

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I have a solution to all of this proc situation instead of baseing on chance alone how about we get to use our ability without the proc but also have it proc for more damage for example

Red mage I believe it’s verstone it’s totally greyed out only usable when it procs this I simply cannot support why stop ones damage output delete the skills that just isn’t needed just to cover for the greyed out ability that needs a proc to be used replace that removed ability with an ability more useful keep the proc but don’t base it completely on chance the proc could then instead serve for extra damage only however you can still use this ability without the proc this in my brain makes more sense plenty of ways to make use of a proc with chance but make the ability 100% usable without it that is all I ask for maybe SE needs to be more creative here or maybe this proc system is outdated who knows

[QUOTE=3ureka;5297104]fixed that for you ;)[/QUOTE

I will pick one but I won’t go silent u can make me look like a villain for making this forum but my thoughts shall be heard ❕
My point is very much valid and I can bet in the future this proc system will change for the better like I’ve said in a reply to my most recent comments this proc system is outdated and needs to be refined and I have much hope that this will hold true just like they are doing with the crafting system

Don’t get me wrong now I’ve seen everybody’s views it doesn’t exactly needs removing however it does need improving I simply can’t agree with the chance to use an ability but I certainly can if I can still use that ability then have it proc to do extra damage the chance used in that light makes more sense to me

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The MCH rework in ShB is indeed good, and got rid of procs entirely. I definitely recommend it if you're interested in a highly mobile ranged dps without procs.

I disagree that RDM is heavily proc based, at least compared to DNC/BRD. It's somewhere in the middle of how impactful procs are to a job's damage consistency. E.g. I can run a du.geon as Dancer and have less than my usual dps due to sheer bad luck with procs and vice versa, but I always get
very consistent dps numbers with my RDM.

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Red mage in this case I played more recently and have seen the changes they did but before shadowbringers it was just proc But this just enforced my earlier point of procs needing to be improved as it’s outdated what they did with the ability on red mage to ensure 3 procs was a smarter way of handling procs as a whole

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I have a solution to all of this proc situation instead of baseing on chance alone how about we get to use our ability without the proc but also have it proc for more damage for example

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This wouldn’t work because optimally you would always use it with the proc for the higher damage. See: Apex Arrow. It’s always used at full gauge in a single-target situation because it’s more damage. The only time you pop it early is basically if the boss is about to die.

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Red mage I believe it’s verstone it’s totally greyed out only usable when it procs this I simply cannot support why stop ones damage output delete the skills that just isn’t needed just to cover for the greyed out ability that needs a proc to be used replace that removed ability with an ability more useful keep the proc but don’t base it completely on chance the proc could then instead serve for extra damage only however you can still use this ability without the proc this in my brain makes more sense plenty of ways to make use of a proc with chance but make the ability 100% usable without it that is all I ask for maybe SE needs to be more creative here or maybe this proc system is outdated who knows

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Because that’s how the jobs are designed. If you dislike proc-based jobs, don’t play them. Some of us enjoy jobs like BRD and RDM as they are. All of the RNG jobs have ways of mitigating their RNG—RDM has Acceleration to guarantee procs; BRD has Empyreal Arrow to force proc their Repertoire skills; DNC has Flourish to force-proc all of their Flourished skills.

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This wouldn’t work because optimally you would always use it with the proc for the higher damage. See: Apex Arrow. It’s always used at full gauge in a single-target situation because it’s more damage. The only time you pop it early is basically if the boss is about to die.



Because that’s how the jobs are designed. If you dislike proc-based jobs, don’t play them. Some of us enjoy jobs like BRD and RDM as they are. All of the RNG jobs have ways of mitigating their RNG—RDM has Acceleration to guarantee procs; BRD has Empyreal Arrow to force proc their Repertoire skills; DNC has Flourish to force-proc all of their Flourished skills.

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BRD also has Barrage to force proc their Straight Shot/Refulgent Arrow. Most of the rng jobs have ways to mitigate the rng to allow you to optimize your bursts when you need it.

Procs are what make BRD fun, as you need to react, prioritize, and weave.

Try MCH for a similar experience without procs.

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Red mage in this case I played more recently and have seen the changes they did but before shadowbringers it was just proc But this just enforced my earlier point of procs needing to be improved as it’s outdated what they did with the ability on red mage to ensure 3 procs was a smarter way of handling procs as a whole

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Uh, no? The Acceleration update didn't do much to increase the number of guaranteed procs and it was not the main purpose of it. Rather, the change allows us to guarantee successive procs for buff windows. Sure it gives us 2 additional guaranteed procs per use, but the cool down was also doubled to mostly mitigate this.

Also, a one button system for Red Mage procs would not work since there are two procs that upgrade a single ability and you want to be able cast either one at your choice depending on your needs. And really, the base RDM rotation is 5 buttons with barely any oGCD to weave in at all. It doesn't need simplification by any stretch of the imagination.

Honestly, your suggestion would turn Bard into a one button job and you don't always want to use your proc immediately when it pops (e.g. buff windows) so it takes away that flexibility.

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Uh, no? The Acceleration update didn't do much to increase the number of guaranteed procs

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Going from one proc every 35 seconds to 3 procs every 55 seconds is one proc per 6.25 minutes shy of double the procs.

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Going from one proc every 35 seconds to 3 procs every 55 seconds is one proc per 6.25 minutes shy of double the procs.

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That's why I said mostly mitigated by the cooldown extension, but yes, I downplayed that aspect a bit to make a point that the main purpose and benefit of the change is to force consecutive procs. It frees up Embolden so we don't have to make a choice between selfish Embolden and buff window Embolden.

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That's why I said mostly mitigated by the cooldown extension, but yes, I downplayed that aspect a bit to make a point that the main purpose and benefit of the change is to force consecutive procs. It frees up Embolden so we don't have to make a choice between selfish Embolden and buff window Embolden.

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That's more on Reprise but ok

Isn’t bard still one of the most popular jobs in the game too? With all the rng hasn’t it almost always ranked high in job popularity through the community? They arent going to make that drastic of a change to a job that popular so yea. As others suggested, there’s plenty of non proc based jobs. Try em out you may find one you like.

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BRD also has Barrage to force proc their Straight Shot/Refulgent Arrow. Most of the rng jobs have ways to mitigate the rng to allow you to optimize your bursts when you need it.

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Except Monk, we actually lost that when they took out Internal Release. The general consensus is that RNG has no place on the job anyway.

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That's more on Reprise but ok

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Guaranteeing 3 procs guarantees that at least some if not all of our burst falls within Embolden when timed to line up with your party's buff windows. How much it lines up with your burst depends on whether it's an early or late buff window, but either way the guaranteed procs pushes our own burst earlier to allow overlap in either case. Before we had to rely on rng to get 100% of the procs to have that happen.

Reprise is used if you can't stand still and would lose a GCD, or in very specific balance overcap situations.