[Request] Please bring back fall damage in PvE content!

For those not in the know, certain dungeons with long falls used to bring every member of the group down to a single point of health, requiring the healer to mend the group's wounds before proceeding further.

A while back it was changed so that fall damage was negated, though I would like to see the change reversed to ensure that dungeon runs are more immersive and enjoyable.

Healers have lost so much over the years and it's a real shame that they lost the opportunity to heal their groups after a nasty fall.

Nah, it wasn't really immersive. It didn't kill you from falling 40 feet. More of an annoyance than anything in dungeons. Especially since sometimes jump pads in T3 could straight up kill you for using them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Nah, it wasn't really immersive. It didn't kill you from falling 40 feet. More of an annoyance than anything in dungeons. Especially since sometimes jump pads in T3 could straight up kill you for using them.

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It's actually possible for people to survive a fall from a great height, though. Not without injury - but that was reflected by the fall damage.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's actually possible for people to survive a fall from a great height, though. Not without injury - but that was reflected by the fall damage.

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Your character eats massive lasers/heat beams to the face and doesn't even feel it. fall damage is not immersive with that fact.

I support this, but only if it can bring you below 1 life outside of combat.

Fall damage in PvE really wasn't meaningful and would just add an annoying recovery time after the huge drops in places like Bardam's Mettle or Saint Moccaine's Arboretum.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

I support this, but only if it can bring you below 1 life outside of combat.

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As someone who falls to his death in other MMOs pretty regularly, I agree. If they are going to do it, then they need to go all the way with it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

For those not in the know, certain dungeons with long falls used to bring every member of the group down to a single point of health, requiring the healer to mend the group's wounds before proceeding further.

A while back it was changed so that fall damage was negated, though I would like to see the change reversed to ensure that dungeon runs are more immersive and enjoyable.

Healers have lost so much over the years and it's a real shame that they lost the opportunity to heal their groups after a nasty fall.

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Agreed. I want people to die when they fall from great heights like in half of the trials. An example would be that naked tiger man, forgot his name. The one where you skydive.

With some of the falls, if you aimed for specific platforms and rocks, you wouldn't take much damage at all. People didn't do this though, as it took slightly longer XD

Feels like the WoL is too anime to be taking fall damage at all. Even if we are willing to accept DRG jumps have some of the energy transferred into the lance and in turn into whatever she is thrusting, that is still a massive sudden deceleration that would be fatal given her momentum. Therefore I am convinced the WoL shouldn't be impacted by falls at all. It is hilarious how much of a wimp she can be when you take fall damage as even carrying 30+ kgs of military equipment a lot of our soldiers would manage better, though still not recommended.

I always wished they'd done more with Ninjas All Fours trait (remind me why that still exists, by the way). Actually I wish they gave every Job some unique gimmick like that, solely for the purpose of making dungeons slightly more interesting. Like say Ninja can survive a fall and open up a different path in the dungeon, while Samurai can run on water for a brief period and that leads to something that lets them open up a different path. That way you can have dungeons with branching paths, rather than the linear snore-fests we've been left with, and conveniently remove the whole "people will just take the fastest route" argument because the route would be based on party composition.

Honestly... I kind of liked in WoW that it could kill you lol. Made jumps feel a bit more.. ommph. At least personally now I'm just annoyed with a monster aggro'd as an excuse to die, seems silly (just because you have aggro).

To the point I would suggest that either:

A) SE adds level / item level into the calculation of damage, such that a level 80 has to drop from the highest point in the game and fall to the lowest point to actually sprain an ankle (but level 1 will get pummled by 12 feet).

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B) Falls can kill you, although perhaps keeping an eye to make sure 10-20 feet drops are still possible.

And for either one I still think (said this before) that Dragoons shouldn't really bother with fall damage and should be able to jump higher (even if it's through some sort of mount mechanic, which would detect if you've flying in the zone before letting you jump high enough to mess with their game progression). Ninja's could be ignore damage from any height lesser than X (while dragoon's is just like "jumps don't hurt, only floor tanking hurts").

Just my imo lol. And I'm talking in dungeons and out of dungeons, in a general sense.

I'd put a vote against it solely for practical reasons. My immersion is long dead and burried. Fall damage would do little to revive it.

Now that I think about it, given the half gods that we are in the story, its not even that immersion breaking.

Only if the game starts blasting "High Speed Dirt" when you fall far enough.

See the earth below,
Soon to make a crater!
Blue sky, black death,
I'm off to meet my maker!

The game is hardcore enough as it is. We do not need to make it even harder. That only adds to the anxiety.

The last healers i did have in instanced content wouldn't even heal raid wide unavoidable aoe damage, there were too busy dpsing. I sure dont want to count on them to heal me after a fall. What about destroying hastily made barricades obstructing the way instead ? After all it makes sense that the mobs would want to block your path with whatever they can think of, and it is more in line with the green dps way of life.

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Originally Posted by TitanMen

The game is hardcore enough as it is. We do not need to make it even harder. That only adds to the anxiety.

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Can you come up with some believable bait, for a change?

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Can you come up with some believable bait, for a change?

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I remember a time when trolling was considered an art by some and was treated as such. They don't make 'em like they used to.

Immersive for me would be climbing down a rope or something. Not having my hp dip to 1 and having someone wave a staff around with glow effects and instantly make me better.

I support this idea because....WE FALL!!!!! WE FALL!!!!

Not gonna lie. I kinda miss falling to my death. The invisible walls but me too.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Can you come up with some believable bait, for a change?

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To be extremely fair here, I don't think this game is so baby easy either. Look before you snort at me... we have a thread over 2k pages long about people failing at this game. Either people are just that stupid or maybe FFXIV isn't as babyly easy as we all complain about. I just look at it like this, we who think it's easy.. are just that good.

Odd request. I already get super annoyed at things in other MMOs that pointlessly waste the players' time for no good reason. Like getting dismounted and dazed when hit by a mob while riding on your mount. I'm so glad FFXIV doesn't do stuff like that. Having everyone nearly die because of the way a dungeon is designed (i.e. fall damage when the only way forward is off a cliff or something) is a great example of another pointless waste of time.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

To be extremely fair here, I don't think this game is so baby easy either. Look before you snort at me... we have a thread over 2k pages long about people failing at this game. Either people are just that stupid or maybe FFXIV isn't as babyly easy as we all complain about. I just look at it like this, we who think it's easy.. are just that good.

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A lot of people are bad at playing this game because the game is atrocious at teaching them how to play.

This game lobotomizes its players with the same trash quests and fates from lvl 1 to 80. The progression curve was already bad at release but it has become patheticly bad with each update because the old content has been left to rot. FFXIV is a fantastic example for a lot of things to avoid in game design.

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Originally Posted by Genz

A lot of people are bad at playing this game because the game is atrocious at teaching them how to play.

This game lobotomizes its players with the same trash quests and fates from lvl 1 to 80. The progression curve was already bad at release but it has become patheticly bad with each update because the old content has been left to rot. FFXIV is a fantastic example for a lot of things to avoid in game design.

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Should probably do something like add a few stages to Hall of the Novice that unlock at a higher level. Can cover stuff like Esuna, playing with another tank, etc. Use a reward people have a hard time resisting like a mount after completing the new stages. None of this will fix FFXIV's absolutely abysmal UX but I'd love to increase the percentage of people aware of really common basic mechanics like knowing to not drag AOEs into a stack marker.

while the game doesn't teach you to play at end game level, at the same time this is also an MMO. you're supposed to turn to your community and discuss amongst your fellow players and theorycraft the best way to play your job. Hence we have places like The Balance on Discord. the resources are out there. why does the game have to hold your hand all the way through? this is not a single player jrpg.

also no to bringing back fall damage. it's an unnecessary thing. just a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Like getting dismounted and dazed when hit by a mob while riding on your mount. I'm so glad FFXIV doesn't do stuff like that.

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Actually I clearly remember being dismounted and having "Heavy" status after running trough agressive mobs. Did they remove this? Hurray if so because it was annoying.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

it's an unnecessary thing. just a waste of time.

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To some, maybe. For me it's one of the biggest issues with the game right now.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Actually I clearly remember being dismounted and having "Heavy" status after running trough agressive mobs. Did they remove this? Hurray if so because it was annoying.

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I have never been dismounted or made Heavy (or any other status effect) by a mob hitting me as a rode by them. I came here from WoW and SWTOR, two games that do that. And I remember being very happy that this kind of pointless annoyance wasn't here.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

As someone who falls to his death in other MMOs pretty regularly, I agree. If they are going to do it, then they need to go all the way with it.

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I can never believe how these threads make it past 1 page.

Anyway, this. The moment I could fly I was a tad disappointed I couldn't dismount and just end myself. Aion, which had its own flight system, went all the way. You committed to finding a safe landing the moment you took flight off that high ledge.

So now my WoL ceaselessly searches for a way to end herself on her own terms.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Actually I clearly remember being dismounted and having "Heavy" status after running trough agressive mobs. Did they remove this? Hurray if so because it was annoying.

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Only thing of the sort is being attacked while mounted in frontlines, which gives you a massive speed penalty. In the open world you can take hits while mounted without a hitch.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I have never been dismounted or made Heavy (or any other status effect) by a mob hitting me as a rode by them. I came here from WoW and SWTOR, two games that do that. And I remember being very happy that this kind of pointless annoyance wasn't here.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Only thing of the sort is being attacked while mounted in frontlines, which gives you a massive speed penalty. In the open world you can take hits while mounted without a hitch.

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It used to be. They removed it.


From 4.2 patch notes: Players will no longer be inflicted with the Heavy status effect when taking damage from behind while mounted.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

For those not in the know, certain dungeons with long falls used to bring every member of the group down to a single point of health, requiring the healer to mend the group's wounds before proceeding further.

A while back it was changed so that fall damage was negated, though I would like to see the change reversed to ensure that dungeon runs are more immersive and enjoyable.

Healers have lost so much over the years and it's a real shame that they lost the opportunity to heal their groups after a nasty fall.

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Don't see how having to stop to heal everyone back up makes it more immersive or engaging. All it does is waste time. People aren't trying to roleplay their way through the dungeon with a bunch of random strangers. They want to get to the end, get their loot and get out as fast as possible.

Now adding a RP mode to dungeons for pre-formed groups to toggle on that would include things like fall damage might be an interesting an idea. I don't know how much extra work that would be for the developers, or if it would be worth their time if too few players choose to use it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It used to be. They removed it.


From 4.2 patch notes: Players will no longer be inflicted with the Heavy status effect when taking damage from behind while mounted.

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Thanks for confirmation. I didn't notice having the debuff for a while, but didn't pay much enough attention to it to realize they finally removed this.

No, no and also hell no.
Fall damage is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Aion, which had its own flight system, went all the way. You committed to finding a safe landing the moment you took flight off that high ledge.

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Yeah but Aion has flying combat + you're actually the one flying rather than having your lazy ass carried by a mount, so it makes more sense there.