Please consider removing Bolt from The Feast

After playing soloQ for a while, I think the completely disregard to positioning because everyone can either Bolt in or Bolt out is a little silly. You should not be rewarded for bad positioning on a call because of Bolt, and you should not be rewarded for playing up too far and just using Bolt to get out.

This is also not counting the fact the buffed melee range for tanks/melee, and the small map we still play on. I think Feast would be much healthier if Bolt was made Frontlines only.

Please discuss your thoughts.

I'm convinced they gave everyone bolt just to pad it out to 16 buttons.

inb4 BUT MY FRONTLINES

hard agree

Agreed, it's not needed with how mobile jobs are as is and how small the map is. Its just a crutch.

Agree greatly with this,
Many of the new skills we have gotten including Medkits all seem to be designed with Frontline in mind. Large Maps, with 24 player teams fighting over single objectives.

Bolt doesn't add much in the form of complexity and completely takes positioning out of the equation.

To elaborate on Melo's point on our current feast map;
From Season 1-5 before stormblood our general actions and PVE actions could be used. The map was designed around the fact that everyone could use the move Sprint.
It was huge! And designed around the fact that players had more mobility.
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Honestly the game is already punishing enough with LOS mechanics and map layout with the abysmal server tick issues. Bolt is a useful utility for combatting that. Removing it would only punish lower skill players who would be frustrated with the lack of options to address positioning issues.

Melee without bolt eeeeeeew.

I play with atrocious ping, bolt is not needed even when I played on jp. Lower skilled players should be punished for positioning. Solution get better having a crutch doesn't help growth it only hurts it I used to use bolt it's not needed and I'm glad I left it behind its only made me better.

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Originally Posted by IzamiIza

I play with atrocious ping, bolt is not needed even when I played on jp. Lower skilled players should be punished for positioning. Solution get better having a crutch doesn't help growth it only hurts it I used to use bolt it's not needed and I'm glad I left it behind its only made me better.

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You are so cool

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

You are so cool

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how do you find out if someone has an alt on jp?

don't worry, they'll let you know

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Originally Posted by Mango24

Removing it would only punish lower skill players who would be frustrated with the lack of options to address positioning issues.

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That's... the point.. newer and lower skill players should be learning how to position correctly, not getting out of jail free cards from Bolt.

Bolt and pots need to go

Totally agree with you on this, bolt in feast has no depth in it and to counter someone using it you just bolt yourself and it's just silly, it also hurts casters alot when you can just bolt around walls and such, there's no punish for positioning bad as you said, It should be a FL ability only.

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Originally Posted by IzamiIza

I play with atrocious ping, bolt is not needed even when I played on jp. Lower skilled players should be punished for positioning. Solution get better having a crutch doesn't help growth it only hurts it I used to use bolt it's not needed and I'm glad I left it behind its only made me better.

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You can also do some things thx to Bolt, it's not only for bad positionning. If your healer dies, you're glad to be able to use it and leave before you're getting controled and killed. Having your healer dead is enough of a punition and even with Bolt it's very risky for the whole team even if running away directly.

I more feel it looks like a complain like "if my opponent hadn't Bolt, I would have killed him".
Remember it's not necessarily bad positionning if you actually know you can try something because you still have Bolt in case of emergency. You may think it's bad positionning when actually the opponent is scouting your team reaction to know what he can try after/later. If the opponent is that bad, you should be climbing and be separated from those players pretty quickly.

I'm not saying it makes it all, but Bolt can be countered by ranged classes easily thx to their 5sec. Heavy effect, for exemple(only for physical ones of course). If you feel like someone is bad positionned and should die from it, use that Heavy 50%, and the 5sec CC should do the thing. You also have that AoE free Sprint in the form of Peloton. Take the one you think is the most fitting to victory (I think Recuperate is like mandatory, but that's just me).

Thank you, but... I will keep my bolt.

Just to quickly clarify for those against said proposal, players also ran Bolt as an additional in soloQ in 4.x which was... not that good but you do not NEED it. You should be using your gap closers and positioning correctly if you want to make a greedy call on a target. Just because a skill or mechanic was added in does not mean it is good for every player to have on a 30s CD. Every player i've talked to who's participate in high level competitive PvP agrees to an extent. If it came back as a additional I think it would be fine, but right now you don't get punished for anything, and you can just walk up to ranged and healer too easily.

could understand that bolt be in the game if the other maps were still in rotation but on crystal tower its just not needed and as it has been said a kinda free out of jail card for bad positioning

I think removing Medkits and Bolt from The Feast would actually be a nice overall tuning mechanism to allow them to adjust the game to play better between the modes. I'd love to see them taken out and then start to re-examine damage instead of just handing out more HP like they did to healers. I like FL more post 5.1, but like The Feast more before 5.1. The additions of (universal) Bolt and pots/medkits to PvP feels heavy-handed in scope of the fact it always seemed like it would be weird in The Feast but make perfect sense for FL, giving me the impression they wanted to make the change for one and figure it would be OK in the other. It is evident we need some logical, easy-to-understand tuning to make them work well. The 30% damage reduction melee get for example is perfect for FL. I think players are willing to accept the two PvP modes have some divide in the rules, and I encourage taking Medkit/Bolt out of The Feast.

Does it happen often in top high ranked Feast to have bad positionning? (it's a real question as I'm not there).
Beside what I've said already, I actually also think 30sec is too short, having the 60sec version would have been more like something you have to use more wisely (even more like 90sec, why not).
A match is 6min, having it at 90sec would make it be usable like 3 times maximum to try things. I feel it would be too bad to completely remove it. It adds dynamic in what you can dare to do, Bolt is fun. I'm not fan of something where nothing changes because everything is too slow to do and predictable like a lesson you would just learn by heart, and you could put a player or another, they just would be almost the exact same. And I don't want to have less fun because some people use it only to save themselves from a bad positionning. Once again, it's not really bad positionning if you know you actually have Bolt to change it. It's bad positionning in a gameplay without Bolt. I don't know if you get what I mean by that.

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Originally Posted by Fannah

Does it happen often in top high ranked Feast to have bad positionning? (it's a real question as I'm not there).

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well ye because you get plat for free

Do you happen to answer to people without being sarcastic? I said it's a real question to have a genuine answer.
The purpose of my question was to make the autor understands we shouldn't balance the game to low ranked people. And if they don't do bad positionnal at top high rank, then why remove that skill if the problem would be it can help people having bad positionning, which doesn't happen at high rank.

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Originally Posted by Fannah

Do you happen to answer to people without being sarcastic? I said it's a real question to have a genuine answer.

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How the hell is that sarcasm? That's a serious answer why you ask a question then cry when you get an answer you don't like. From a now on I will just give you stupid answers to everything, that was your chance, cya.

@Melo strongly agree btw, rather start punishing some of these rambos who just go in and if there's no CC up (which there probably won't be) simply hit bolt and they're safe. At the very least you should be allowed to punish the healer (the role with no mobility) for going in with them. With the amount of mobility now in the game and the size of the map, there's no reason for it still exist in ranked 4v4. Frontlines obviously yes, but that goes for basically any large map, if we were still playing on Feasting Grounds or even Lichenweed I'd be advocating for it to stay. I'd like to think this would encourage more people to play safe but we both know better.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

How the hell is that sarcasm? That's a serious answer why you ask a question then cry when you get an answer you don't like. From a now on I will just give you stupid answers to everything, that was your chance, cya.

@Melo strongly agree btw, rather start punishing some of these rambos who just go in and if there's no CC up (which there probably won't be) simply hit bolt and they're safe. At the very least you should be allowed to punish the healer (the role with no mobility) for going in with them. With the amount of mobility now in the game and the size of the map, there's no reason for it still exist in ranked 4v4. Frontlines obviously yes, but that goes for basically any large map, if we were still playing on Feasting Grounds or even Lichenweed I'd be advocating for it to stay. I'd like to think this would encourage more people to play safe but we both know better.

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I think the "Well ye" can be see as sarcasm. It does sound like it. But it's not false. You can get plat with 35%-40% win ratio.
Either way, the amount of people that think Bolt is fine in this current iteration of Feast is concerning. It's already the worst season considered by most and Bolt does not help or serve a purpose in the mode.

I thought you were ironic, saying it was actually obviously not free to be really HL in this game. But so you're saying it's really free to be HL and have noobs playing with good players at highest level of matchmaking. And I'm not crying, you're obnoxious overall in your way to speak to people (not only to me). So you're acting like an ass overall and if we dare to complain, we're crying? Good defense, interesting. And that was my chance? Of what? Do you hear yourself? Do you believe you're actually relevant to me? Trust me I will deal very well to not see you answering me at all. And you make up I don't like the result of your answer when it's actually exactly the answer I was looking for (minus the form of it obviously), and I said it (but it seems I understood the opposite as you were actually not ironic). In your overall way of being on the forum, you're obviously someone hard to be around with, and I would not be surprised you have often dramas around. Good luck.

And Thx Melo for your answer. Once again, it's not bad positionning if you have Bolt up and do it on purpose. But I guess you want positionning to be something more punishing overall. It could be more competitive this way, I guess. Maybe they are just trying to see how it goes (and the season should help to get reviews to future balance), and maybe they are just lazy to put it as an general skill in a mode (FL) and not in another (Feast). I find it fun, but I agree 30sec is too short.

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Originally Posted by Fannah

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was tempted to reply "didnt read" but ill answer cos you're not completely wrong

if i answer and its not "delete this" 9/10 times the answer is serious, im just not gonna write an essay cos no1 wants to read a wall of text, i've already been there and done that. if i cba replying at all it means it's not even worth memeing. Do I act like an ass? probs, but there's way worse than me in this community, the fact i take everything for a joke is taken out of proportion in the majority of cases, including by you. And yeah, it was crying, you didn't like the manner in which I dealt with your question; fair enough - but then ask me to elaborate and again - I generally will; I don't avoid a serious discussion; it's just I won't take 90% of forum posters seriously; you've been here for 4 years, maybe if you can look past the veil of whatever it is that makes you see everything as a personal attack; you'd probably understand why. Because they're the same people that will ask for something to be nerfed based on something that happened to them in a silver game and people get behind it because dia/plat level players are seriously outnumbered in this section and the few that'll read it, won't post. Ask the decent EU players who have met me in person at SE events, or even those who don't even like me; but have discussed balance with me in the past - I'm literally nothing of the sort you think I am.

And I probably have less drama behind me than 90% of active European feasters that have some kind of discord or forum presence because I generally won't bite since it's pointless to argue with stupid; and I do actually help people when possible rather than flame them the vast majority of the time (the latter only really happening if it's someone that literally won't take help or doesn't change, because it means they're not inexperienced, they're just bad.)

To elaborate on what Melo said (and partially what I said) - depends what you consider high ranked. Plat/Dia is considered "high" I'd say by the vast majority of the community; so that'd include frontline players, casuals, pvers etc. I don't know which group you fall into in general. And thusforth, based on the fact that you can get plat after losing more than you win, which puts you into games against people that can be r1; yes, in high ranked games bad positioning doesn't just happen - it's extremely common and the later the season gets; the worse it is because eventually those people in gold will graduate to plat based on what Melo just said. And thus, they will be a part of high ranked games and many absolutely do not adapt. If you want an example of high ranked games, watch some vods from BrianRicardo's last stream as of this post with him queueing on Chaos (ignore the plat/gold games). 4v4 Plat/Dia but I'd say almost everyone in those games was Diamond level for the most part, with the rest being high plat. Watch how many times bases were dived into and count how many times it went unpunished, then count how many bolts are active on the team retreating. In many of them, one team overstayed and someone should have been punished. Nami got punished at one point I think and it's literally because I got too greedy with damage, otherwise generally we'd have all got out easily.

TLDR - 90% of the time I'm taking the piss and it's obvious when and only happens if it literally isn't worth the effort, the other 10% is when I'll actually post something that isn't a meme and means I'm open to a chat. Don't blame me. Blame an extremely soft community. But I otherwise genuinely care about every single serious discussion in this section. Cya.

why not just post the 10% of your comments that are relevant then.

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Originally Posted by awesomega

why not just post the 10% of your comments that are relevant then.

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Not as fun. Not enough jimmies rustled. Section would be dead if people only ever posted things that are actually relevant. I can go on. And even then, I still contribute more positively to this section and community as a whole than you do. I don't force anyone to read anything I post or watch anything I make, if you do and get tilted, it's a you problem, if you misinterpret it - it's a you problem, if you don't like me - it's a you problem; it makes zero difference to me whichever outcome. Now if you'll excuse me, Hopkins is having an absolute whopper of a game in my madden CFM, so I'm gonna have to love you and leave you, but my discord dms are always open to you xx

Ps: I used to only post the 10%, which was actually 100% and it was rarely taken seriously or people couldn't be bothered to have a discussion because of how dead this section is and the fact that because something is considered good/bad in frontlines, the patrons of this section don't get why, generally, that it doesn't mean it's the same in feast and I got tired of being sensible I guess. I dunno why I'm even being serious now, guess no matter how much of a twat I pretend to be I can never pass up an opportunity to prove a point.

Thank you for your honesty, I mean it.