Garuda fight

So i cant help but wonder how this will turn out. What i HOPE is not is another throw ranged only fight at it. Cause when i think Garuda i think great Wind based so Evasion is gonna be bullshit. and Like Ifrit have a 2nd phase explosion that do 400 dmg the fire blast not the giant WS dome effect one except now with Garuda it be a knockback effect. need more Melee DD friendly fights

I don't care what we use, as long as they do something about the loot system.

Garuda fight could go a lot of ways, wind has a lot of variety to it. She could create a whirldwind surrounding the area which could grow smaller as the fight progresses forcing people to move in closer and closer to garuda while putting more and more of the party into the range of AOEs. Another thing that could happen is Garuda could create mini-whirlwinds which immoblize a target for a certain amount of time making them unable to perform any actions. She could create a massive storm to toss around everyone and place them all over the arena to throw them off their game and force the players to reorganize into the fight again. I highly doubt that Garuda will be friendly to any sort of fighting style. It's quite possible that Garuda could have two stances, one which creates a whirlwind causing "Choke" damage to those that come near it, and then another stance which does the same thing except to those in long range. In one sense since Garuda will be able to move around, healers will have to have heavy focus on Garuda when the whirlwind is around her to prevent the tank from dying while DD can attempt to take in swings while trying to eliminate the amount of dmg they take.

But ya, there really is no telling how the fight will actually go but I would imagine there can be a lot of variety to the fight and they'll prolly make a lot of use over the concept of wind like they did with Ifirit's fire and such lol.

While I do prefer Ifrit with 1 war tank, 2 whms and 5 thms it can easily be done with melees as well. I had a (rather surprising) run the other day with 3 melees besides the tank and only 1 whm. And it worked fine.

I think the main problem with Ifrit is that so many people have leveled so fast that they don't know how to play their jobs properly. I personally dislike pick-up groups for that very reason.

And then there's the issue of the server delay spikes which are quite annoying too of course ^^


So to be honest I don't see Garuda becoming much different because you just need a fool-proof strategy every time because of these factors.

Popular Ifrit tactic shortly after implementation; 6x LNC healer and tank (later patches LNC got replaced with 6x THM)
Moogle shortly became a 5-6x ARC fest.
The current dungeons are 50-50 on melee to ranged ratio (miser favor meele heavily while chimera favor ranged).

With Garuda we can always hope SE actualy manages to pull off a boss fight that favors a balanced group(not likely).

Also in before the "I CANT MOVE FROM THE TORNADOS DUE TO ANIMATION LOCK/SERVER LAGG!" qq threads starts surfacing shortly after Garuda patch : p

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Originally Posted by Diell

While I do prefer Ifrit with 1 war tank, 2 whms and 5 thms it can easily be done with melees as well. I had a (rather surprising) run the other day with 3 melees besides the tank and only 1 whm. And it worked fine.

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1x WAR, 2X WHM 3X BRD 2X BLM. win in 6mins 43 seconds. my personal best.

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Originally Posted by diell

I think the main problem with Ifrit is that so many people have leveled so fast that they don't know how to play their jobs properly. I personally dislike pick-up groups for that very reason.

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think thats the main problem with most things.

Yeah, currently, the light melee (as opposed to heavy melee) seem to be getting the shaft or are just one-fight-wonders.

Would be nice to see singular, larger, and more durable trash mobs that can't be AoEed down easily or packs that are simply heavily resistant to magic. Maybe tone down on the self-AoEs and the huge cleave radi that the bosses seem to come standard-packed with

Maybe have that resistance (on either trash or bosses) removed (temporarily or for the whole duration of the fight) via incapacitations to Special (Rear) or their Left Arm (Maim and Heavy Thrust respectively), require a lot of dispelling via comboed Demolish, or maybe 2-3 of those (all of which I prefer to call a "Can-Opener" scenario).

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Originally Posted by Jashynvald

Maybe have that resistance (on either trash or bosses) removed (temporarily or for the whole duration of the fight) via incapacitations to Special (Rear) or their Left Arm (Maim and Heavy Thrust respectively), require a lot of dispelling via comboed Demolish, or maybe 2-3 of those (all of which I prefer to call a "Can-Opener" scenario).

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This is a great idea, and I hope at least this is something they think about implementing in some form in 2.0, I mean the incap system is already there, its just not used to its full potential as your idea could expand it towards.

Yes, lotsa wind damage and tons of evasion for Garuda please...

Kill Ifrit, get weapon. (gonna need that attack!)
Use Ifrit weapon to kill Moogles, get weapon. (gonna need that accuracy!)
Use Moogle weapon to kill Garuda, get weapon.
Use Garuda weapon to kill...

And so begins the epic chain of why we must kill all the primals in the proper order!!!

Hmm actually after i saw Doctor Mog video about speed run in AV which party setup is every job and whm*2.
That video make it clear that , you can use every jobs you like it really is possible to clear the content
just the problem is that other players always prefer party set up that let them play easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVlLSzCff_o

As you can see before someone already proven that
PGL party can also replace ARC in Moogle fight before this jobs patch coming.

Problem lies in other ppl prefered , and it can't be help.

No idea but I know this will be mic spammed to DEATH (Partly because I will be the one doing it) during the fight.

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I said this in another thread as well, it's very easy to make current battles (ifrit and Mog) need other jobs in. Example: make the spikes in ifrit resistance to magic and range... That way you can't bring in 5x black mages or ARC...

For moogle, and this is more logical, make some of the moogles resistance to magic or ranged... But then you take the option from people to go 5x ARC or 5x mage... and people will say that any set up works, true, but how often do you see people actually doing it??

What's funny is how people will come here and b$%@$ to SE that there is no challenge in the game. And when you try to invite a PGL to those battles they'll cry and even leave the party (happened to me more often than I can admit)

I want it to be a laggy animation-lock fest.

Not even being sarcastic. I love Ifrit/Mog's battles. They feel so fresh compared to everything else I've seen around lately.

Ifrit Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD

Moogle Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD

Ogre Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD

Batty Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD

Princess Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD

Chimera Strategy:
WAR, WHM, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD


Garuda Strategy:
<I think you see the pattern here>

If they want to break the Mold, and have Garuda step up to show its might as a primal:
Magic Resistance High
Arrow Resistance High
Weak to Enfeebling


(Note: I am not saying those are the only strategies, or the best strategy. Just that it is a strategy with a very high chance of success).

Really? people still spouting retarded crap like primals favors ranged?

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...642c001ef6.jpg
look closely at screenshoot too, we have 2 new players as well. Win without any issue with bunch of melees.

http://i43.tinypic.com/f5a7wj.jpg
look at timer, only 3min and thats how far we got it down.

I have done everything with melee DPS, just because people are mostly dumb and can't play melee to avoid shit doesnt mean its not possible, l2play.

Garuda is going to be the release of multi-hit weapons.

Axe (Chance to attack 2-4 times)

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Garuda is going to be the release of multi-hit weapons.

Axe (Chance to attack 2-4 times)

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Staff: Chance to attack 2-4 times
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I think Garuda should also throw down Heavy, Bind, and Slow effects. Maybe some donut AoEs.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

I think Garuda should also throw down Heavy, Bind, and Slow effects. Maybe some donut AoEs.

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or maybe just attack with donuts.

Garuda was one of the harder primes in FFXI anyways, so I doubt Garuda would be as easy as Ifrit.

But like others said, Garuda could be quite the adaptive fight (but so could Ifrit have been, too).

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

I don't care what we use, as long as they do something about the loot system.

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this.

10 characters

Wind resistance gear that drops in Natalan can I have it ??

Fire resistance gear that drops in Zahar'ak can I have it ??

ya the loot system better be better than ifrit and moogle

I would guess that the loot system will be similar. Implementing a revamped loot system for Garuda would leave the other two fights needing updated also. With the 'use' of Primals changing with 2.0, i think they will just leave it as it is, tbh.

The 2hr will be a big windy fart, with really bad status ailments

ya watch them give Garuda a hate reset just to make Tank useless lol.

Should give Garuda the ability to charm.
Once charmed you lose control over your character and start attacking the party until it wears off.

Would be annoying but at least somewhat amusing if you Flare/Dragonfire Dive/Steel Cyclone your party.

Yea if they don't sort the loot situation out, ie 100% drop rate on totem then I have no interest in the fight really.

Nothing more demotivating than doing a fight over and over and getting nothing for it.

I duno why they can't just give us a need for greed loot window before 2.0, surely it can't be that much work.