So, they fix 2B's tights due to community feedback...

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

I'd open the umbrella if I were you... there's a storm coming.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

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Honestly, it's a bit of a tinfoil hat moment.. butt the devs have been criticized for being out of touch during ShB in terms of how they're handling some things; At least, that's the most frequent criticism i hear.
Changing how the 2B bottoms worked (even though the 2B bottoms have gotten nothing but praise by community) and coming back to fix it in an earlier than scheduled patch (that was released very close to Christmas) is an easy way to get points with their subscribers, and make it look like they're listening to customer feedback (Which was the response from people).
Even though your post is criticizing them, it still makes reference to them listening to the community.

I mean, i doubt that sqex was thinking about the situation that way; but that doesn't mean it doesn't look a little convenient.

Male butts are still flat with the 2B bottoms ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They need to address the issue equally.

Yes because job design and whether or not 2b pants make your butt bigger are comparable issues...

Didn't they say that going forward, they'll be testing the 2B leggings on each gear just to make sure it doesn't clip and make adjustments if it does? That's a lot of work for just 1 item when clipping exists everywhere and they're not fixing it.

I'm willing to guess the butt thing was just easier to do. Tho to be fair, Healers have a right to be pissed since they have been wanting answers since 5.0 :c

These two aren't comparable, and one is easier to deal with than the other.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

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Lots of people like the cards the way they work now.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

I'm willing to guess the butt thing was just easier to do. Tho to be fair, Healers have a right to be pissed since they have been wanting answers since 5.0 :c

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Yeah, I really hope they give healers back some offensive tools down the road. It's one thing to not have as complicated a dps rotation as a dps job, but I feel they stripped things down a bit too much. It's nice to still have more to healer dps when soloing stuff (including quests and solo duties), or when you're in a group and there just isn't much healing to do at the moment.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Lots of people like the cards the way they work now.

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There's also that. Even in my FC's discord at the time there were people furious about having the cards simplified, and others saying 'this is better than just fishing for balance.'

I cried about the condition of the road in my city, I also cried about world peace.

My government listens to me and fixing the road. I don't know why they haven't done anything about world peace though.

There are as many players who like the new card system as those who hate it. You need to understand that the community encompasses players who don't come here or Reddit, along with all those on other servers and other data centers. I can also confidently say that the forums house the majority on naysayers and critics because they need a place to speak out their frustrations.

Thinking that reverting a change like the 2B bottoms means they should revert other changes like AST cards based on a flawed perception of the community voice is not only bad logic, it also reeks of entitlement.

I should also note that "based on community feedback" is utter BS. They knew they screwed up and they fixed it. It just so happened to line up with the current gripes happening pertaining to that gear.

Don't believe me, career healers would love to speak with you.

I just wish a sliver of the same amount of attention was directed at issues related to male characters. We were told that armour for antagonists wasn't going to be added (which is an odd stance to take when that limitation wasn't applied to Edda's outfit) and we were also told that it would be 'too hard' to add stubble for male characters despite it being used in promotional footage for the game. It's not as if there's a shortage of people playing male characters in this game and many other games with optional items on sale - such as Overwatch and Fortnite - don't neglect male characters in the same way.

As for the healer situation, I do miss how AST used to play. I liked the random element to cards - it made things more engaging.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I just wish a sliver of the same amount of attention was directed at issues related to male characters. We were told that armour for antagonists wasn't going to be added (which is an odd stance to take when that limitation wasn't applied to Edda's outfit) and we were also told that it would be 'too hard' to add stubble for male characters despite it being used in promotional footage for the game. It's not as if there's a shortage of people playing male characters in this game and many other games with optional items on sale - such as Overwatch and Fortnite - don't neglect male characters in the same way.

As for the healer situation, I do miss how AST used to play. I liked the random element to cards - it made things more engaging.

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Hear, hear!

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

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SE rarely do massive changes to a class during any giving expansion. BRD from HW to SB or DRK from SB to ShB are good examples of that.

They prevented yet another calamity.

And I agree AST cards still suck.

its really is sad when SE talks about 2b butts in length at a live letter which is a feature they only introduced at 5.1 while healers who suffer from various issues such as fairy delays,AST cards, AST card system and controller based issues with it ,the dull and boring gameplay since 5.0 never received a pip in a live letter.
from how i see it, that shows what SE truly thinks about the healer jobs which is healers aren't important at all :( .

The problem with the new vs old AST card systems is that while the old 'balance or GTFO' system was definitely broken, they didn't even try fix it. They just gave up, scrapped the whole thing, and walked away. Are we really supposed to believe there's no middle ground between 'fishing for balance' and 'all cards are balance'?

Forget about cards, what about Gunbreaker sounds, its just a simple reroll of a patch and they completely ignored it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Forget about cards, what about Gunbreaker sounds, its just a simple reroll of a patch and they completely ignored it.

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Honestly I think this complaint is a bit of a meme more than an issue. I just finished leveling gnb, and the sound effects that people complain about sounded just fine to me.

I didn't play GNB up until recently so I have no idea what the original sounds were like. How much of a difference is there?

I've leveled GNB on two of my alts and I didn't notice anything wrong. I've just started leveling it on my main. Don't know if it's a racial issue as some races seem to have different sounds.

ShB ast card system is like Bow mage there are enough people on both sides that SE have no clue what to do, so they taken the stance of small tweaks and most likely do another overhaul come 6.0 whether a new overhaul will be as welcomed as 4.0 brd was we will have to find out.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

There's also that. Even in my FC's discord at the time there were people furious about having the cards simplified, and others saying 'this is better than just fishing for balance.'

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Actually it's 'fishing for seals' now instead of 'fishing for balance'.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Forget about cards, what about Gunbreaker sounds, its just a simple reroll of a patch and they completely ignored it.

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/sigh for the over9000th time in GNB main/
Honestly, something tells me that if there wasn't that mistake with audio files, no one would even care about GNB sounds to begin with. I also suspect that if not for specific line "audio were replaced" in patch notes, a lot of people wouldn't even notice the change because they pay 0 attention to skills sounds.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Don't know if it's a racial issue as some races seem to have different sounds.

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Skills themselves should have the same sound on every race and gender, I think.

Whilst not comparable issues nor necessarily the work comparable either, but in fairness, acknowledging the problem/complaint/issues and clarifying one of the following: "we'll look into it", "we'll do something about it" or "we'll do nothing about it" would go some way. At least they said 'no' for the card changes, and with that said, they have reverse decisions they said were "fine" before, like issues Machinist had or bow mage and I expect that's why people are still complaining about cards, in hope SE change their mind.

But the crux of the problems people have been complaining healers overall? Not a word.

I think the lack of communication is where the biggest frustration is. Because if it's a "no", then we know either to give up or what to focus on with our feedback (like MCH's did), if it's a "we'll look into it", whilst still in limbo, we at least know they have the difficult task of decided how or if they're address it and what feedback to take on, because there are different views on how healers should play and if "we'll do something about it", then good news and we just wait and see, maybe throwing feedback into the mix.

And communication doesn't use up a lot of resource.

It isn't even a case where the development team need to acknowledge various issues themselves. Simply having a community representative reassure us that feedback on a particular issue has been passed on would do a world of good. Yet it's rare to see them post around these parts these days and they seem to have their hands tied running the FFXIV Twitter and Facebook pages as well as running screenshot contests and the like.

There's a number of recent threads highlighting genuine issues about the game that are deserving of official acknowledgement,such as EU players being denied the opportunity to acquire a Black Fat Chocobo. It's worrying to me that something like that hasn't been addressed yet.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

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This is a bit obtuse.
1 thing is a glam gear ... the other is balancing a job which effects the standing of 2 other jobs. Nothing in common.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Didn't they say that going forward, they'll be testing the 2B leggings on each gear just to make sure it doesn't clip and make adjustments if it does? That's a lot of work for just 1 item when clipping exists everywhere and they're not fixing it.

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What happened was that, for w/e reason, the gear wasn't QAed as well as they would have liked and was sent live without flags being put in place to prevent clipping. They got bug reports from some people about clipping in sit positions with some races on a tiny hand full of tops and flipped the flags on. But the flags are set that way to prevent clipping with skirts so what happened was that the design of the ass was then ruined for most any top it logically should work with and limited to only working with a few other then bras. The point of the ass was to give people a big butt option.

So they know they need to rework how the game categorizes tops which is what they're doing in the meantime. TBH I think that they plan to make more butts with the 2B butt model and that is part of the reasoning behind this. And who knows, perhaps it will effect the freedom of other bottoms that are more limited than people would like.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is a bit obtuse.
1 thing is a glam gear ... the other is balancing a job which effects the standing of 2 other jobs. Nothing in common.


What happened was that, for w/e reason, the gear wasn't QAed as well as they would have liked and was sent live without flags being put in place to prevent clipping. They got bug reports from some people about clipping in sit positions with some races on a tiny hand full of tops and flipped the flags on. But the flags are set that way to prevent clipping with skirts so what happened was that the design of the ass was then ruined for most any top it logically should work with and limited to only working with a few other then bras. The point of the ass was to give people a big butt option.

So they know they need to rework how the game categorizes tops which is what they're doing in the meantime. TBH I think that they plan to make more butts with the 2B butt model and that is part of the reasoning behind this. And who knows, perhaps it will effect the freedom of other bottoms that are more limited than people would like.

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And this is all after they goofed up with the transparent parts of the 2B dress. I'm not sure if they had a bug that made it assume the same skin tone all the time or if it just wasn't programmed to BE transparent in 5.1 at first, but it was really noticable on any characters that weren't a fairly pale caucasion skin tone. Glad they got this fixed.

All they did was revert the change they made to the 2b outfit, so it was apparently a simple process. Fixing and balancing jobs, however, is not so simple. That said, I feel that they have been giving healers the finger since launch, so I can understand why some are frustrated.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I didn't play GNB up until recently so I have no idea what the original sounds were like. How much of a difference is there?

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At release the "bang" for certain attacks was almost mute. After being changed they sound properly but at times it feels like GNB uses a blunt weapon instead of a sword.

The graphics team is not the job balance team. There's no reasonable connection to be made at all.

+1 OP

Bring back the old AST!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's a number of recent threads highlighting genuine issues about the game that are deserving of official acknowledgement,such as EU players being denied the opportunity to acquire a Black Fat Chocobo. It's worrying to me that something like that hasn't been addressed yet.

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NA promo only. I worked hard for my bird, and I like it exclusive. Mine. It's an American bird. Born and raised.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

NA promo only. I worked hard for my bird, and I like it exclusive. Mine. It's an American bird. Born and raised.

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It was in Japan first, just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It was in Japan first, just sayin.

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Exchange student. He's worldly. He immersed himself in Japanese culture.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

...But they don't fix classes - like AST's cards - due to community feedback? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. xD

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exactly,they only care about fixing easy shits and not the real stuff that people have been complaning SINCE THE LAUNCH of this god damn expansion

but guess what? they're only gonna fix this on 6.00 xD ,these lazy devs jesus christ im done

You have to consider reworking a job takes more time and effort than making a butt big. They will likely change ast, but i doubt they'll ever undo all their work and just bring straight up SB ast back, it just isn' that simple.

While i do agree, and i DO think they hear us loud and clear on classes, you're comparing apples to oranges. A simple model fix is very, very different from changing a class.

Because visual adjustment don't require a literal ton of rebalancing, beside the fact Spire would need to be a whole new card since TP is no longer a thing.

Maybe next expansion the cards will be put back; for now we deal with what we have now.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Lots of people like the cards the way they work now.

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I very much prefer the cards the way they are now. I am very happy with healers overall, and so are the people I interact with in game on a daily basis. Folk on the forums sometimes forget they aren't necessarily a majority.