Dancer seems totally Broken in Feast

They seem to bring so much to the party and has the such crazy mobility for being a ranged dps.

I didnt get to play that many games yet but in like everygame ive had a
Dancer as Ranged dps they just seem so much better then any other ranged right now. :confused:

At the very least, BLM is BLM and BLM is really good. RDM is a sucky in FL but has a lot of nice survivability in The Feast and after a few tweaks will be in a nice spot.

BRD and MCH is ???? I am not sure what is happening here but it feels like DNC has the same capacity for pressure while having more DPS utility, more sustain, more mobility. It was already dodgy before but at least MCH had a stun, which was taken away. Feels like DNC and BLM are superior to their peers right now.

ye cos you've not had me yet fam.

Monk seems broken also the burst is higher then any other melee right now and they have the best defense tool with Riddle of Earth.

Riddle of Earth Deacresed dmg taken by 10% creates a barrier that absorbs 3000 potency Compare to Shucuchi jumps away creates a shield that absorbs 1000 potency thats 2000 potency less then monks defensive tool.

Rather than nerfs lets buff the other ranged jobs because they are absolute garbo

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Originally Posted by Kaiche

Rather than nerfs lets buff the other ranged jobs because they are absolute garbo

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Why not both at a healthy middle to prevent powercreep?

I can say for Ninja after playing it some it has never ever been this bad in feast before.

Ninja is actually trash tier with these nerfs, the silence dont make any impact anymore healers dont even purify it since its only 1 second.

Why did they nerf trick attack it's allready hard enough to get it of with everything breaking stealth now.

Worst survival of all melees with the shucuchi nerf.

GG SE you clearly dont have a clue how to balance things in PVP, all you had to do is make so Assassinate dont reset after kills that would have made Ninja less powerful in Frontline and making it viable in Feast at the same time.

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Originally Posted by snipski

I can say for Ninja after playing it some it has never ever been this bad in feast before.

Ninja is actually trash tier with these nerfs, the silence dont make any impact anymore healers dont even purify it since its only 1 second.

Why did they nerf trick attack it's allready hard enough to get it of with everything breaking stealth now.

Worst survival of all melees with the shucuchi nerf.

GG SE you clearly dont have a clue how to balance things in PVP, all you had to do is make so Assassinate dont reset after kills that would have made Ninja less powerful in Frontline and making it viable in Feast at the same time.

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Ye well apparently we can't blame them as we demanded S14 2 months early.

What they failed to mention is that they were going to drop a balancing patch first. Would have made sense to drop the balancing patch early with whatever they had, then the season in 5.2 but hey, gigabrain indie company.

At this point I wish they didnt do the revamp and just added skills to the old setup we had, it was much better than this 'copy n paste job identity loss' mess we have now

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Originally Posted by Kaiche

At this point I wish they didnt do the revamp and just added skills to the old setup we had, it was much better than this 'copy n paste job identity loss' mess we have now

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I prefer this over Stormblood PvP, probably because Summoner was another level of boring back in Stormblood and Bahamut had a mind of it's own (which is now gone).

But if nothing else it feels like every tank and melee play the same but of various strengths and it's kinda sad to watch. I wouldn't go far enough to ask for Heavensward PvP back, but I wish this job played like Heavensward summoner. New painflare is nice but I really miss the deeper games, the old pvp abilities and different CC, but not the button bloat that so many jobs had in that mode that made it incredibly difficult for new players without prior MMORPG PvP experience to get into.

Such a shame that a beta wolf has tremendously incorrect opinions about everything haha


Sam has best defensive, riddle of earth is whatever, blm is best ranged, dnc plays the game of attrition and just never dies while taking games to culling because lack of burst, monk isn't that op, the players just havent adjusted yet, once they do monk will be lower end just like before, dont forget about what sam and drg has lmfao

And I personally hate getting dncs on my team, none of them are good so they're quite useless, they just exist and dont die because enemy team doesn't play correctly to properly kill one, it's a gigantic mess but all dncs just exist and look pretty, much rather have a smn or blm

By all means, don't nerf dancer.

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Originally Posted by snipski

Monk seems broken also the burst is higher then any other melee right now and they have the best defense tool with Riddle of Earth.

Riddle of Earth Deacresed dmg taken by 10% creates a barrier that absorbs 3000 potency Compare to Shucuchi jumps away creates a shield that absorbs 1000 potency thats 2000 potency less then monks defensive tool.

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Monk is also the only Melee to have 0 direct tools to run away, to hit with a ranged skill, and to build ressources from afar. Ninja has "Shukuchi" to TP away twice, DRG has his "Elusive Jump", SAM has his "Hissatsu : Soten". Monk can "dash" away only if he is in the opponent camp and is targeting an opponent in his ally side. And they don't have any ranged tool so they have to be 100% melee to deal dmg, while SAM has "Enpi" (also increasing Kenki Gauge by 10), NIN has Throwing Dagger (increasing his Ninki Gauge by 10) (15y range) + his two 25y range skills with "Three Mudra" + "Hellfrog Medium" (15y range) and his invisibility to come close without being targeted 1rst. DRG has Piercing Talon (keeping his Blood of the Dragon buff from afar) + High Jump (20y range) + 2 "Mirage Dive" (20y range) + Stardiver (20y range) + "Geirskogul" and "Nastrond" (15y range each) and even their whole AoE combo having 10y range to be pretty safe for a melee, while all other melees have an AoE around them of 5y only. So Monk has to be melee to build anything from the start (Chakras and Greased Lightning stacks), which does explain why they have a bit more resistance overall.

Compare a kit, not just 2 skills. Monks are way less safe overall. About the burst, Monk AoE skills are almost irrelevant compared to what a Ninja, DRG and SAM can do. They are less tricky, more predictable.
About the 1sec silence the Ninja has, you're not especially supposed to just use it alone. NIN is already the only one having a control among all melees, which means it can combo with the AoE CC (or not AoE) of other allies, like an AoE Stun or Sleep (Summoner or BLM) which can make the whole a way too long control to handle if used properly in team.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

BRD and MCH is ???? I am not sure what is happening here but it feels like DNC has the same capacity for pressure while having more DPS utility, more sustain, more mobility.

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That's because Dancer is basically just straight up superior to the other two jobs. After playing Bard throughout 3.x and 4.x, it's depressing to see how awful Bard is at the moment compared to previous seasons. I don't know what went through the dev's head when they tried to balance the physical ranged dps in 5.x, but they sure were on something while doing so lol

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Originally Posted by Foudre_Fondue

That's because Dancer is basically just straight up superior to the other two jobs. After playing Bard throughout 3.x and 4.x, it's depressing to see how awful Bard is at the moment compared to previous seasons. I don't know what went through the dev's head when they tried to balance the physical ranged dps in 5.x, but they sure were on something while doing so lol

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I miss playing Bard =[

It's still playable in Frontlines, but yea, I've tried it in Feast, no chance. You can still get kills like it's not completely awful for supporting burst, but your pressure isnt the best outside of it. It's still fixable, natures is a really good utility ability, I really like the idea of sidewinder being an execute and shadowbite being an opener on burst, cos they do actually hit hard, it just needs to do more. Or Dancer needs to contribute way less. And Repelling Shot needs to be usable all the time, not just when someone's standing on you.

Even then it's not gonna compete with FD3, Step Buffs and Saber Dance.

instead of nerfing dancer

Why don't we buff everything else?

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

instead of nerfing dancer

Why don't we buff everything else?

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If you haven't heard, that's how powercreep works, so why work on working around DNC instead of working on it?

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

If you haven't heard, that's how powercreep works, so why work on working around DNC instead of working on it?

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Wow dude you're right, by nerfing dancer it will suddenly make red mage, machinist and bard viable. Thank god summoner and black mage don't outperform them so much.

Just with one simple change to dancer, people can now kill stuff with bard, you're a genius.

If we had 5.0 RDM it'd compete on the basis it had a silence, heavy, bind and probably some other things I'm missing. The problem is the job is fundamentally mechanically underwhelming in the meta, just like the other ranges. Even BLM would be playable with some heavy, convert and 3 stacks of manip given back to them. Bard isn't even that bad, mechanically, but apex arrow is a ballache and isn't even that strong and whilst nature's is nice, repel no longer binds, barrage isn't in the game anymore, and you don't get neat things like perm damage up and defence like dancer, on a kill target it's actually not that bad with everything up, I played it a bit earlier in the season and a lot of stuff died, but we lost, game ended and I saw 164k damage and was like oh yeah, that's why. I liked the concept of opening on a target with bite on a cd and executing with sidewinder, but the pressure just isn't that great and they have long CDs so you're tickling with apex arrow and pitch perfect every other burst and you don't even have the dots behind it anymore

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

Wow dude you're right, by nerfing dancer it will suddenly make red mage, machinist and bard viable. Thank god summoner and black mage don't outperform them so much.

Just with one simple change to dancer, people can now kill stuff with bard, you're a genius.

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You first said "instead of nerfing dancer", which gave me the implication that dancer shouldn't be nerfed and other ranged be buffed instead to be put on DNC's level, which was why I was critcizing your post. Frankly on page 1 I already posted the following:

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Why not both at a healthy middle to prevent powercreep?

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I am not oblivious to the other ranged having weaker bursts or in the case of RDM rather sad CC compared to his caster bretheren. Would appreciate if you wouldn't go full rage sarcasm just because I didn't post the same statement twice to fit your bill.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

You first said "instead of nerfing dancer", which gave me the implication that dancer shouldn't be nerfed and other ranged be buffed instead to be put on DNC's level, which was why I was critcizing your post. Frankly on page 1 I already posted the following:

I am not oblivious to the other ranged having weaker bursts or in the case of RDM rather sad CC compared to his caster bretheren. Would appreciate if you wouldn't go full rage sarcasm just because I didn't post the same statement twice to fit your bill.

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"Full rage sarcasm" lol. So true. I'll remember that.