Blu Carnival?

I'm trying to get the blu spells, I've got almost all of the original 49 but to get any more of them I need to pass the carnival. I need to clear it anyway to be able to do the blu plot.

I've looked at guides, and so far none of them seem to actually say enough to help me to be any better.

I'm willing to go learn the new spells in order to pass the old content if there's suggestions that will make things easier on me.

I kind of suspect I might be totally incompetent at blue except in the overworld... I can't even pass stage 4 "gentlemen prefer swords".

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I'm trying to get the blu spells, I've got almost all of the original 49 but to get any more of them I need to pass the carnival. I need to clear it anyway to be able to do the blu plot.

I've looked at guides, and so far none of them seem to actually say enough to help me to be any better.

I'm willing to go learn the new spells in order to pass the old content if there's suggestions that will make things easier on me.

I kind of suspect I might be totally incompetent at blue except in the overworld... I can't even pass stage 4 "gentlemen prefer swords".

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To carry on the blu story you only need to do 25, which is clearable with only overworld skills, just make sure you get loom from the B rank in north thanalan and drill cannons also from north thanalan

I can't even pass the 4th one, I'm nowhere NEAR ready to even try the 25th though. That's a massive jump. Maybe if I was stuck somewhere in the teens ... but I clearly suck too much, and thus I think I need a guide that explains things more.

The ones I've found have just said "spam attack spells and white wind to not die" ... and I die anyway, on the first wave of 4, most of the time. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong either.

Nah, trust him, you only need one magical attack, one physical attack (Drill Cannons most often recommended), and Loom, to beat the 25th stage. More spells than that would just make killing him faster, but his difficulty remains about the same, and he's honestly easier than some of the earlier stages, I would recommend you try jumping to him. A lot of the Carnivale stages are really lame "puzzles" that just boil down to "you have this skill?" and you get meme'd on if you don't, so if you're having trouble, just try and contemplate if a skill you have seems oddly fitting for the encounter.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I can't even pass the 4th one, I'm nowhere NEAR ready to even try the 25th though. That's a massive jump.

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Naa. I found 25 easiert then some of the previous ones. And you don't need to beat the previous ones. Just do 25.

For 25 you don't need white wind. All of his attacks are telegraphed AOE-mechanics, mostly a rotation of "go near/go away" (dragon's voice/ram's voice)and basically just "stay out of orange". For the first act you need to attack with magic spells as he will counter physical spells, on the second act you need to attack with physical spells as he will counter magical spells. And in third he will change from time to time, just watch his debuff. Also he will bind you in third, so you need loom to escape. And that's it.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I can't even pass the 4th one, I'm nowhere NEAR ready to even try the 25th though. That's a massive jump. Maybe if I was stuck somewhere in the teens ... but I clearly suck too much, and thus I think I need a guide that explains things more.

The ones I've found have just said "spam attack spells and white wind to not die" ... and I die anyway, on the first wave of 4, most of the time. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong either.

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The carnival isnt a linear difficulty progression, its just 25 vignettes, some harder some easy

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Originally Posted by Archangelus

A lot of the Carnivale stages are really lame "puzzles" that just boil down to "you have this skill?" and you get meme'd on if you don't, so if you're having trouble, just try and contemplate if a skill you have seems oddly fitting for the encounter.

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hrm, maybe I'm missing some obvious skill to pass #4, but nither of the guides I found actually say what to use.

Okay folks, I'll give 25 a try, someday maybe I'll find some guide that can teach me well enough to get true blue out of it, but for now a pass is good enough.

What exactly are you having problems with on the 4th Stage? I logged on to do it using only skills 1-50 skills, to help you out. I'd suggest bringing Flying Sardine, Glower, Plainscracker, Flamethrower, Bristle, Song of Torment, and if you have them, Eruption, Shock Strike, and Glass Dance. Bristle a Song of Torment onto the wolf in the first stage, and just Glower the bats down to get them out of the way, then Flamethrower the wolf until it's dead, use Eruption and Shock Strike to target their weaknesses and burst them faster if you're still having issues. In the second phase, Glower works wonders on his weakness, so spam that while keeping up Song of Torment and your primal skill ogcds if you have them. Use Flying Sardine to interrupt his Magitek Field cast, and right after, use Plainscracker against all the adds that spawn. White Wind yourself if you're getting low here, and once they're all dead, Kreios should be as good as dead. Just be ready to dodge his Grand Strike AoEs, as they come out fast.

It's not even worth it to deal with the Masked Crap-nival as is. Wait for the long overdue fake difficulty nerf.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

It's not even worth it to deal with the Masked Crap-nival as is. Wait for the long overdue fake difficulty nerf.

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Unbad yourself, please.
Carnivale is fine as is.

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Originally Posted by Archangelus

What exactly are you having problems with on the 4th Stage? I logged on to do it using only skills 1-50 skills, to help you out. I'd suggest bringing Flying Sardine, Glower, Plainscracker, Flamethrower, Bristle, Song of Torment, and if you have them, Eruption, Shock Strike, and Glass Dance. Bristle a Song of Torment onto the wolf in the first stage, and just Glower the bats down to get them out of the way, then Flamethrower the wolf until it's dead, use Eruption and Shock Strike to target their weaknesses and burst them faster if you're still having issues. In the second phase, Glower works wonders on his weakness, so spam that while keeping up Song of Torment and your primal skill ogcds if you have them. Use Flying Sardine to interrupt his Magitek Field cast, and right after, use Plainscracker against all the adds that spawn. White Wind yourself if you're getting low here, and once they're all dead, Kreios should be as good as dead. Just be ready to dodge his Grand Strike AoEs, as they come out fast.

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For some reason I find myself dead and out of mana in the first phaze, even trying to do it like that. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I seem to have to stop and heal just way more often then guides imply that I should. Even in augmented shire gear.


Edit 1: Apparently song of torment counts as physical? Or maybe I tried to auto attack him while I was close to dodge voice of dragon.... hrm... take 2.

Edit2: A number of deaths to plainscracker. I've got to learn where the safe parts are....

Edit3: Plainscracker, act 3, where do I even GO, it looks like there's no safe places ever?! Okay, okay, Looks like I have to wait to be webbed as close to the edge, and as close to cheridblis as possible, them loom twice to be clear of it, find a safe spot for the first plainscracker that points him mostly out of the ring, and then run and hope there's a safe place left?

Edit4: Looks like I only have time for ONE loom, so there must be a place that's safe enough to flee too within range? I can get to the very edge of the orange, but... oh, man, if I'm off by even a pixel, the limit of metor vs the reach of loom, that's ... so close

Yeah, for Azulmagia try and Swiftcast Song of Torment on before he puts his buffs up (Bristle > Off-Guard > Swiftcast > Song), and be wary of auto attacking him during physical reflect stage, your physical skills like Sharpened Knife will turn it on, something to be wary of in the third act when he switches. If you're not going for the Perfect Blue achievement however, you can also just Diamondback the meteor in the third act.

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Originally Posted by Archangelus

Yeah, for Azulmagia try and Swiftcast Song of Torment on before he puts his buffs up (Bristle > Off-Guard > Swiftcast > Song), and be wary of auto attacking him during physical reflect stage, your physical skills like Sharpened Knife will turn it on, something to be wary of in the third act when he switches. If you're not going for the Perfect Blue achievement however, you can also just Diamondback the meteor in the third act.

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Seems like with the new bonuses it should be easier to get the 300k points for perfect blue now? The 4 from the face and a few others might make it possible even while taking damage. Not that I'm really chasing that right now, I just want to pass for now... someday, maybe...

wait... why bristle (magic) but off guard (physical) ?if torment is physical for off guard, why not whistle?

Edit: So, I came back to it after letting it rest a little, and got it on the first try. No stage went perfect, but I learned how to pixel hunt loom faster, go out until it's purple, then click like mad as I drag it back



Hay, while I'm here, I want to make macros that convert all the on ground target, to ones that target the targeted ... target. Erruption, feather rain, bomb toss.... anything else? That is possible, right?

Off guard is a debuff you put on a target that increases all damage they take, Bristle is a buff on you that increases magic dmg you deal, and Whistle is a buff on you that increases physical damage you deal. Bristle and Whistle are mutually exclusive.

You think Carnival 29 is fine? That needs a nerf bat. Or at least the two lightning hands need a nerf bat.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

Off guard is a debuff you put on a target that increases all damage they take, Bristle is a buff on you that increases magic dmg you deal, and Whistle is a buff on you that increases physical damage you deal. Bristle and Whistle are mutually exclusive.

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I think that's not true anymore.... Whistle and bristle are paired, one magic, one physical, that buffs you. But offguard is physical only and it's paired with off Pecular Light that's magic only, on the same cooldown now, or did I read something wrong?

Peculiar light - Increases magic damage taken by all nearby enemies by 5%. Recast timer cannot be affected by other spells. However, this action shares a recast timer with Off-guard.
Offguard- Increases target's damage taken by 5%. Recast timer cannot be affected by other spells. However, this action shares a recast timer with Peculiar Light.

I understood it that light was magic, and guard was physical, and the wording was just a bit strange? If they actually are basically just the same, what's the point in there being two of them? If offguard amplifies all kinds of damage, and light is only magic, but also has a worse range... is it just a trap?

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I understood it that light was magic, and guard was physical, and the wording was just a bit strange? If they actually are basically just the same, what's the point in there being two of them? If offguard amplifies all kinds of damage, and light is only magic, but also has a worse range... is it just a trap?

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off guard is mostly for single target (boss fights/special mobs) it got a massiv range and can be set from the backyard after avoiding mechanics f.e. - while peculiar light is a centered aoe what is most effektiv on DD-dng-rushing mime builds or tank builds. I think that's the main difference. its like the old sleep u need a target for (the one with the green icon) and the new one (purple icon) which is as well a centered aoe most likely for tanks or healers in an oh-shit-moments if they take aggro or the tank is going to fall soon cause of overmobbing f.e.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Hay, while I'm here, I want to make macros that convert all the on ground target, to ones that target the targeted ... target. Erruption, feather rain, bomb toss.... anything else? That is possible, right?

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sure u can do that but consider that u don't even need to make them for every aoe skill cause the primal skills will share their recast timer as well maybe its a better choice to take eruption (30 sec cooldown - fastes primal cd) and ramuh/shiva over garuda/titan cause they don't need an aoe selection. feather rain needs all mobs to stand in the target area to receive the dot dmg what can be pretty nasty - out of carnival I rarely have that skill on my bar tho. (titan is nice in some situation its like shiva a cone aoe without a target, which means they can be used to weave in easily without selecting a target/area or using a macro for them).

but in the end like always - I wouldn't get used to use macros in generell sometimes they can help but living with the delays/chainproblems isn't fun - at least not for me ^^

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

I think that's not true anymore.... Whistle and bristle are paired, one magic, one physical, that buffs you. But offguard is physical only and it's paired with off Pecular Light that's magic only, on the same cooldown now, or did I read something wrong?

Peculiar light - Increases magic damage taken by all nearby enemies by 5%. Recast timer cannot be affected by other spells. However, this action shares a recast timer with Off-guard.
Offguard- Increases target's damage taken by 5%. Recast timer cannot be affected by other spells. However, this action shares a recast timer with Peculiar Light.

I understood it that light was magic, and guard was physical, and the wording was just a bit strange? If they actually are basically just the same, what's the point in there being two of them? If offguard amplifies all kinds of damage, and light is only magic, but also has a worse range... is it just a trap?

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You are mistaken. And you can test it yourself to see that Off Guard does increase the damage of magic attacks as well as physical.

Off-Guard: Increases target's damage taken by 5%. Recast timer cannot be affected by other spells. However, this action shares a recast timer with Peculiar Light.

It does not say "Increases physical damage taken". It just says "Increases damage taken". That means all damage. If it were only physical then the spell description would say so (and off-guard would probably be an aoe). It may be paired with Peculiar Light but PL specifically says "Increases magic damage taken" and it is aoe. The pairing is likely due to SE simply not wanting us to stack them both.