This one drop a week stuff is pointless and aggravating. After several runs trying to get my healer gloves, which they never dropped, I decided to go in as tank on a last minute run. Of course I get my tank drop 1 MINUTE AFTER THE SERVER RESETS!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
And to add insult to injury, 9S dropped a second tank drop and the healer gloves I chased all last week. Long story short I got no drop last week and screwed out drops I needed this week because the loot rules are pointless and stupid.
Let me get my flame shield up for all the people who will try to tell me I'm wrong because I dared to question Squeenix.
The Copied Factory loot rules are garbage.
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12-03-2019, 05:33 PMJamieRoseThe Copied Factory loot rules are garbage.
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12-03-2019, 05:39 PMReviaInfantry
My opinion on Copied Factory:
I am there for the coin for upgrading deepshadow to augmented. Yorha drops are for sub class. And cracked clusters. -
12-03-2019, 05:43 PMIscah
At this point you don't necessarily need to go in with the class you're trying to get gear for. The other effect of the loot roll restriction is that people won't be rolling on everything just because they can, just so they can trade it for GC seals or desynthesise it. So your chance of acquiring an item you do roll on is much higher.
I guess the degree of frustratingness depends on how specific your wishlist is, and how urgently you want it.
(Restricted loot rolls meant I collected the entire Orbonne tank set while it was current without having to play as tank to get it.) -
12-03-2019, 05:43 PMElladie
Why did you run as tank and not healer? Why did you roll on the first tank drop at all? If you had been patient, you would have gotten the second tank drop. If you hadn't changed your mind and gone as healer, you may well have gotten the gloves. If you wait a couple of months, loot will be free roll anyway. Loot rules are the way they are to keep people running the content.
This isn't me defending SE, this is me pointing out best business practice to keep people subscribed and logging in -
12-03-2019, 05:46 PMRongwayRun it earlier, and don't roll for "I just need anything for the week" when the reset is about to happen. The weekly reset is at the same time every week, displayed in multiple UI locations (/timers, /currency, /challengelog).Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-03-2019, 05:57 PMJamieRoseSo did you not read the part where I got the drop 1 minute AFTER the reset? If I had gotten it 2 minutes sooner, I would have gotten both drops. Also I went in as a tank on the hope that I would get a drop before the reset and I had not gotten any tank drops prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elladie
Thanks for that useless information. As I had said before and you clearly didn't bother to read, I had already run the raid 5 times that week as healer. The gloves are the only piece I need from the set and the RNG was not cooperating at all. I'll state AGAIN that I went in as a tank because I had no tank drops and wanted to get something before the server reset, but a tank drop didn't happen until Engels and it didn't happen until 12:01 am. So basically I got screwed over by the moronic loot rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
And frankly I don't care that it keeps people running the raid. Squeenix already got my $15 this month and that's fine, but when they screw up like this I'm sure as hell gonna let them know it. -
12-03-2019, 06:02 PMElladieNot sure how SE 'screwed up', the loot rules for raids didn't suddenly change without you being informed. Nor did the reset timer. If anyone screwed up, as you put it, that sounds like it was you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
Offering feedback in a polite and positive fashion is one thing. Screaming, being rude, and insulting the folks who make the game isn't going to get you anything except ignored -
12-03-2019, 06:34 PMRicaRuin
It has always been like that. Be patient, some time before Patch 5.2, the restrictions will be lifted and you can win all of the loot in one go.
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12-03-2019, 07:40 PMViduI must have missed the part where it was SE screwing up?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
Because all I can see is you screwing yourself over by waiting to the last minute to get your gear - well, that or if you want to go the way of "If this gear had dropped 2 minutes sooner" wouldnt the raid be to blame for not getting to the chest 2 minutes sooner? Or your partymembers for not rolling on the stuff right away instead of waiting for the loot-timer to run out?
No. No, I'm sorry, SE didnt screw up here. Its very clearly communicated when the weekly reset is, that it involves the loot from the Factory and if you do a last minute run like that and put getting your loot off anf off again you have to expect to leave empty handed for the week.
Whats the big deal anyways? This gear is only catch-up or glamour gear anyways - you can pretty much do all casual content in 450, you can get 460 for tomes and if you're raiding the 460 from the 24-man shouldnt even be a real option for you.
You've got plenty of time to run and farm the factory. The gloves will drop again, promise. -
12-03-2019, 07:48 PMMavrias
Ah, yes. It's the game's fault you ran right before reset. Of course. It's the fault of the loot system that's been around and worked since 2013, not your own human error.
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12-03-2019, 09:08 PMtestname
ai kinda agree, the loot system in here is garbage
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12-03-2019, 09:36 PMFirstnameLastname
No it is not. Timegating may feel annoying at times, but its a staple of every MMO out there.
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12-03-2019, 09:46 PMCalcilis
Maybe run a few more times than 5?
You missed it then that's your problem -
12-03-2019, 10:13 PMNoitems
If you're running it for the glam then just know down the road it's going to be a free for all with no restrictions. So don't worry about not getting it now for that reason.
If you're running it for the actual gear then you should just get the deepshadow gear since that can be augmented anyway. -
12-03-2019, 10:48 PMHyoMinParkI’m not short of any amount of complaints about this game usually, but I disagree that this is a game problem. Sounds more like you’re trying to shift blame here—either from yourself for waiting too late to get a weekly drop or simply from RNG just being RNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
If you were going to settle for a drop for the week, perhaps don’t decide that at literally the last minute. That’s not SE’s or the developer’s fault: that was a conscious decision you made. I’ll blame the developers for things, but fairly: I’m not going to blame them because you (or anyone else, really) waited until reset was about to happen to get a weekly drop. -
12-04-2019, 01:54 AMJamieRoseJust because every MMO does it, doesn't mean it's a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname
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12-04-2019, 02:15 AMFirstnameLastname
Is that so? Why would I keep playing this game if I could just farm my BiS gear on all classes in a week tops (assuming my static is equally motivated to spam E1S-E4S all day)? [You may replace "BiS gear" with basically anything in this example.] The whole concept of these games revolves around long-term players and a steady road to work through in order to get whatever you want. If you don't like that, the MMO genre might not be the optimal place for you.
Additionally - FFXIV is one of the least timegated and player friendly games in terms of basically anything. Didn't get your savage drop? Worry not, friend, you can buy that in X weeks via guaranteed tokens. On the other hand, I know games that give you 1 item per 6 players per week and said item is completely randomized from 16 possible gear slots and 13 different sets for classes. Good luck getting anything done there gear wise. -
12-04-2019, 02:23 AMGulaThere is a business practice to be had with the genre. If you don't want it, play another genre or a single player game until the time lock is up. You only burn yourself out and get angry and start complaining more and more when you stew in those hot juices and blame everyone but yourself for something you chose to endure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
I didn't like waiting a week to see more of a custom delivery quest line, sucks but best be sure I found something else to do. Amazing how much something in the moment becomes a distant irritation when you chose to do something about it. -
12-04-2019, 03:43 AMViduWhat would you propose instead then?Quote:
Originally Posted by testname
Keep in mind it needs to meet the following conditions:
1) People need an incentive to run the content more than once or twice in general.
2) People need an incentive to run this content for a couple of months - for two reasons: First a buisness one (you want to keep people subbed) and second a gameplay one (you want to make sure that even those who would miss the initial rush are still able to get loot and clears a few weeks later)
3) The loot cant kill all other means of getting gear, mainly: It cant kill the crafting route by providing unlimited gear of the same ilvl (even though the 460 gear isnt directly crafted, it still requires crafting gear as a starting point, so I'm considering the highste crafted gear as being of the same ilvl as the 24-man-raid-gear)
4) You want to make sure that people who actually play certain jobs have a better chance of gearing those jobs (aswell as giving people an incentive to play certain jobs, for example tank and healer)
5) You want to prevent burn-out.
6) You want to make it transparent and planable for your playerbase, with as little RNG as possible.
...so... how do you do that? A simple token-system that can be exchanged for any gear of your choice wont meet points 1, 2 and 4. Making the loot unlimited doesnt work with 1, 2, 3 and 5 in mind.
So... what better system is there that makes people stay subbed, go back to do that content, doesnt kill the market and makes sure that not everyone queues as a dps? -
12-04-2019, 07:19 AMJamieRose
This is why I hate official game forums. Any legitimate complaints are automatically drowned out by warbling fanboy white knighting.
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12-04-2019, 07:33 AMKDSilver
Or because you just don't want to admit your own mistake.
If you hate it so much, I suggest you to don't come again to complain if you don't get the answer you expected to have. -
12-04-2019, 07:46 AMViduPersonally I dont have an issue with constructive critic, specially not when it comes with a suggestion on how to improve the game in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
In this case though I'm kinda missing said suggestion...?
I can see the reason(s) the weekly loot lock out is (still) in place, so I dont consider this lock out a problem but rather a "necessary evil" (...not even really that, tbh, I kinda like the weekly lock outs since I consider them more "weekly tasks" that I can check off).
And, well, waiting with getting your loot til the last minute when its clearly communicated when the weekly reset is simply your fault - not Squares. -
12-04-2019, 07:55 AMGulaGoes to forum for validation.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
Is not received of that validation for being factually wrong on all accounts.
No... It's the OF who are wrong. -
12-04-2019, 08:15 AMMavriasWhere's the legitimate complaint lmao? You planned your time poorly. Reset happens at the same time every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-04-2019, 08:43 AMHyoMinParkYour complaint isn’t legitimate, though. You decided at the last minute to get a weekly drop for a tank; you made the conscious decision to wait too long. And then you chose to blame the game instead of being accountable for your own actions. But, by all means, continue to call those who point this out to you “white knights”.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-04-2019, 09:12 AMElladieBut you didn't make a legitimate complaint. You claimed SE screwed up when it is very clear from your post that it was you who screwed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
If you presented your point as a politely worded request for a change with positive alternatives presented in a comprehensible fashion, you would probably have garnered support. Instead you screamed and shouted and swore and made yourself sound like a toddler having a tantrum. People have explained to you, politely, why the loot model for raids is the best option for SE as a business and also guarantees content gets run and people get what they want after a period of time. But you don't read that like a sensible grown up person, instead it's just 'blaaaah white knighting' -
12-04-2019, 10:13 AMtestnameYup ^_^ they come to fight instead of completely ignoring the topic to let it rot, and die somewhere at the end in forum pagesQuote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-04-2019, 01:30 PMJamieRose
Thank you all for proving me right.
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12-04-2019, 02:38 PMGulaIn what regard? Or is it Opposites Day? I'm not seeing anything you post as fact nor are you trying to bring up any actual, irrefutable facts. Just opinions with a hint of misapprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-04-2019, 03:37 PMFirstnameLastnameOnly one thing remains now, and that is you actually making a valid complaint. I mean, look at your original post. That's some major crying and zero percent suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
So don't go pointing fingers at everyone (you might need those hands to wipe your tears anyways) when you are lacking any form of self-awareness. -
12-04-2019, 04:00 PMReviaInfantry
Rule #1 of the loot: The more you want it, the more it ain't gotta drop.
Rule #2 of the loot: If you farm hard enough, effort will bear fruit, and it will drop.... and the guy beside you will get it. (which in your viewpoint will have less contribution than yourself)
Rule #3 of the loot: If you think of providing less contribution for a higher chance, people will saw your lack in contribution and give you the boot.
Rule #4 of the loot: If you think people will help you after they got their stuffs and you shall have your turn... -
12-04-2019, 04:08 PMAriaEnia
DId 21 runs of copied factory last week for that mythical bard shoes, dropped when I played as a tank and lost the greed roll, I was frustrated I decided to get facet boots of aiming and upgraded it, I was mad
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12-04-2019, 05:34 PMIscahRule #5 of the loot: If you get lucky and it drops first-time, you will be distracted and forget to roll. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ReviaInfantry
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12-04-2019, 08:24 PMtestnameThat why I think new system should be addedQuote:
Originally Posted by AriaEnia
( take average count, of how many times we need run a specific raid to get item [ so no more Lucky people that get it in first run, nor Unlucky who need to run it more than 20 times ] set the option to buy one item after X times of completion the runs/raids )
That way everyone would get guaranteed item once per week -
12-07-2019, 05:04 AMBloodRubyXII
"This one drop a week stuff is pointless and aggravating."
Are you kidding me? It's perfect, because the closer to reset it gets, the more chance you're likely to win something, especially when there's rarely more than 2 people in the same alliance that share items and the likelihood near reset of them having already won an item for the week and are just farming the coffer is pretty high. The last two days generally becomes a "ok at this point I'll just greed on anything of value just to make sure I at least get something"
Unless you're running it moments before reset, then you deserve to get done over lol.