Recently my wife and kids started playing FFXIV. I had been mainly solo for last several months. My family starting to play the game pointed out a glaring issue with trusts and or Squadrons, there is no option to party with another player in a dungeon to get exp for two people. I know the option that doesn't give experience, but that is not any good for new players. Why does SE not support small groups better with either trusts or squadron. For those out there, saying do deep dungeon, we have but that gets boring pretty quick. SE we need some options for regular dungeon play with 2 or 3 players and a trust/squad member.
I am sure this has been discussed in length, but I didn't see it when I did a search. So apologies in advance, if its out there already.
Ashel
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12-03-2019, 10:49 AMAshelTwo person party option with Trusts or Squadron, why doesn't this exist?
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12-03-2019, 11:12 AMIscah
They talked about it when they introduced trusts. Apparently having two players confuses the trust AI - things like who to prioritise for healing.
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12-03-2019, 05:46 PMJamieRose
Why do Trusts even exist? Does anyone really want to guide the horrible Trust AI through Holminster Switch 25 times?
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12-03-2019, 05:51 PMElladieYes. A lot of people would much rather run with trusts than a DF group. There are a number of threads that make this point. Personally I always run with friends, if friends aren't available I run with my squadron/trusts. Shockingly it is a great deal more fun than a DF group, the trusts actually TALK for a start ....Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-03-2019, 06:02 PMJamieRoseExcuse me for not being a fan of the party AI, or of Holminster Switch in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elladie
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12-03-2019, 06:07 PMElladieYou asked a question. I answered it. Not sure why my answer prompted you to respond as though my liking for the Trusts was somehow something you should take personally?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-03-2019, 07:48 PMSaix027
It is optional for one person to progress trough the story and leveling, making it optional for 2 or more players would cause people staying to themself.
This is a MMO, you are suppsoed to interact with people, even if its minor and some idiots of course can also exist, but this is not a single player or coop game with a onlien chat option also.
Online, play with people even if you or them never talk at all, socialisng even if its low, if they ignore it, happens often sadly yes, but the changes are low you will meet them again in random groups, i had alot of talkitive people in groups and raids, sometiems then just quiet people.
People are individuals, some talk like a waterfall, others silent to no end. No one can force you to such, but you should expect in an MMO to be with others and met them, wanted or not.
Personal opinion, the Trust and Squadron are bad ideas, nice as option but then again, why play an MMO if i not want to talk to people at all, if not with randoms you atleast have friends or guild members right? At least if you are not one of those 500+ Guilds who are big just for the sake of being big and never talk to each other inside.
It's like going into a swimming pool and complain you have to wear a swimsuit or so. -
12-03-2019, 09:17 PMIscahIt's not about "wanting to run Holminster Switch 25 times" (not that you need quite that many to level up anyway, but it's still tedious on repeat) - the primary purpose of them is to help you get through the MSQ; the level-grinding part seems tacked on.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
I used them all through my initial run of the story - aside of the reduced queue times for a DPS role, the real appeal for me is seeing the other characters' comments and interactions.
It's also great to be able to take your time and admire the scenery. Most recently for the Grand Cosmos...when I reached the feasting hall and the ballroom, I just ran around and looked at all the details. It stopped being a dungeon for a few minutes. I appreciated it.
Then I went with a friend who was doing it for their first time. Queue through duty finder, playing with a "real" party... we were in one end of the room and out the other at full speed. If that was my first experience, my sense of awe would have been ruined. -
12-03-2019, 09:49 PMDzianthe same reason 3 5 6 7 9 10 11 etc etc content doesnt exist. everything is 4 8 or gtfo which has destryed a lot of groups over the years... try to run a fc event and you got 6 people for example... what can you do... unsync some old primals maybe thats about it... anything else is either leave 2 folks behind or grab some outsiders that might conflict with your groups goals..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashel
it's a very antisocial design even when you have a perfect 4 or 8 the nature of the combat system button mash makes it even more antisovcial.. -
12-03-2019, 09:58 PMtestname
I would love to have this for two people, coz with wife we could do that
and Ai would be confused ?
It sound like cheap excuse, because they have already algorithms for what job heal when, and believe me the AI stand in aoes like psycho - taking one AI less to replace with human would make it better -
12-03-2019, 10:07 PMTlamilaLol you're funny thinking DFing dungeons is a chance to talk to people. Nowadays barely anyone even bothers saying hi in dungeons, let alone actually talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saix027
If you want to chat, dungeons are not the content you're looking for. -
12-04-2019, 04:35 AMCelbreanYou are correct. Even FFXII had a very physical way of setting up the other characters in your party for prioritization of most anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by testname
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12-04-2019, 04:43 AMJWag12787Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
I learned the mechanics pretty easily the first time around, cause the companions (or most of them) will move before the mechanic begins.
Plus, their banter can be pretty funny :) -
12-04-2019, 05:38 AMDrWho2010with the exp boost you don't need to run it 25 times. if you're running a job from 71-80 with them they will out level you at points and you're the one that has to catch up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-04-2019, 07:47 AMReiMakoto
They also don't want trusts to be an overly attractive option to the DF, taking 2 dps into trusts would speed up the runs considerably due to having both people aoeing
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12-05-2019, 12:57 AMRyoutoshi
I doubt it'll happen but 2 player dungeons would be great for me and my wife.
I would love the chance to go together through some locations at our own pace and take in the artwork and scenery. -
12-05-2019, 07:09 AMWrenElessedilSome people like the game itself, not playing with other people. If there was a single player version, I'd love to play that. Since there's not, squadrons and trusts are the next best thing where available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saix027
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12-05-2019, 06:07 PMHasrat
It's content tuned for solo play. Adding in another player or two would require additional refining of the code. Even just adding in a second player would likely render most content even more trivial than it already is.
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12-30-2019, 08:06 AMdaespinozaI have, embarrassingly, done that very thing. I intend to do the same when my last two DPS make it to 71, though thankfully it will only take about 6 runs each.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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12-31-2019, 10:42 PMMaero
@ JamieRose, many occasions i would much rather go with Trust. They mess up the odd time but is not bad at all.
Plus queue times as dps with df of say 20 mins or longer or instant with trust? It's an easy decision for me.
2 Player trust would be nice if implemented -
01-07-2020, 11:47 PMSilverquick
I do have to reverse myself a little on these.
As much as I would like to advocate Trusts... Grand Company Squadrons are actually better. They need some work, but those you can raise up through the levels without manually having to go through the same dungeon over and over again in a row just to level them.
I can send a GC Squadron on a mission and do other things and let them level plus get all kinds of rewards for it.
I have at this point stopped leveling Trusts all togather.
I'll just put up with the Poor healing and tanking in the GC. That I can work around.
Grand Company Squadrons and Trusts were only something I used when I wanted to play something quick and without waiting to queue for it. Mostly I group with other players in Roulettes or specifically select what I want to do.
Grand Company was much more rewarding and less of a hassle to level than Trusts were. -
01-09-2020, 10:17 PMFirstnameLastname
Why even play a MMORPG if you never want to play with other people, anyways? Just being curious.
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01-10-2020, 01:49 AMEli85
Squadrons and Trusts are designed to assist solo players, who, for whatever reason, do not want to group with others (although, if you asked the developers and they answered frankly, they would likely say it's their fix for long DPS queue times).
This attitude should have died a long, long time ago. There is something about a shared, persistent world that is appealing to solo players. On a personal level, I play this game with my chat box turned off (except for savage and ex where some rudimentary positioning needs to be communicated). I do that because, even in a great community like this, there are way too many idiots running around, spreading toxicity, and being jerks. Yet I still enjoy the game, the lore, and the genre. I have little to no interaction with people in Eorzea, but I play anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname
MMORPG never has, and never will mean, forced socialization.