Ishgard was pretty easy up to now, but now...

The level 70 Armorer turn-in Skybuilder's Counter requires 2 Rhino Beetle Carapace and 1 Moth Scales, which usually require killing big bugs that typically lack the required parts. And I'll be needing lots of them to level up from 72 :(

The insect armageddon begins..

At least both are found in the Peaks, so they should die quickly.

Send your retainers on 62 Disciples of War or Magic Ventures. I'm farming all that stuff via Ventures.

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Originally Posted by Yelta_Sumasu

Send your retainers on 62 Disciples of War or Magic Ventures. I'm farming all that stuff via Ventures.

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Hmm, I have one DoW retainer, and I think he's over 62.. I'll have to see how many he brings back.. I suppose I can farm the moths and refresh the retainer in Rhalgr's Reach.

Edit: For moth scales, my level 68 retainer requires item level 245, but he's only at 135.. I've been saving level 70 gear for him, so I'm not about to upgrade early.

The turn-ins are not really well balanced, especially for those that require materials that drop from monsters.

Level 80 BSM turn in required normal mats that have to gathered from 2 spots, while ALC's requires only single one.

But the one that's getting short end of the stick is WVR's, which requires Atrociraptor skin, a monster drop. It can be somewhat alleviated by using venture, gemstone trade, and such, but in term of efficiency it has nothing on the two aforementioned classes (and probably every other classes in that tier).

Yeah the CUL 80 one is just 3 gathered mats from nodes and an item which can be bought with bicolor gemstones. Not great if you're trying to save them, but otherwise always accessible.

Personally ive been using the lvl 80 goldsmith item. Its 5 gathered mats from 4 zones(resin and mana sand from rak tika, ore from il mheg, sand from kholusia, and silver from south shroud - all of those but the resin are miner while resin is botonist). Not perfectly ideal, but the subcombine is same-class so no need to change between quick-synthing a bunch of mana nuggets and turning them into braziers.

It's a pretty time-consuming process it seems if you're still a lower-leveled crafter/gatherer who's trying to stay on a budget. I spent quite a bit of gil recently upgrading my house to a medium, and I still have some gil to pay back for the person who helped pitch in the last little bit I needed, so naturally I'm trying to rely on the MB as little as possible, especially since the prices on the required mats have naturally skyrocketed recently. I've only had a few hours of time to work on the restoration since it came out, and the majority was spent more on farming the few materials my gatherers can get and killing mobs, and little on actual crafting. I can be patient when I need to, but even including ventures it still seems like a long process unless you hurl tons of money at the MB, but again that's not really an option for me atm.

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Personally ive been using the lvl 80 goldsmith item. Its 5 gathered mats from 4 zones(resin and mana sand from rak tika, ore from il mheg, sand from kholusia, and silver from south shroud - all of those but the resin are miner while resin is botonist). Not perfectly ideal, but the subcombine is same-class so no need to change between quick-synthing a bunch of mana nuggets and turning them into braziers.

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I've been switching to ARM one which is very similar to this. I originally was crafting the 70 CRP turn in item which wasn't too bad, but it was eating into my crystals so I decided to swap over to ARM since it didn't use wind as the main resource. It's been working great and gathering around 600 mats has been netting me about 2K scrips per run which is awesome.

I've swapped to doing the alchemy one since it uses all mats I can gather. Retainers can provide monster drops but those usually come in small amounts from a retainer which is especially hard for things like leather since you get like 10 skins which is only 2 or 3 leather after processing.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

The level 70 Armorer turn-in Skybuilder's Counter requires 2 Rhino Beetle Carapace and 1 Moth Scales, which usually require killing big bugs that typically lack the required parts. And I'll be needing lots of them to level up from 72 :(

The insect armageddon begins..

At least both are found in the Peaks, so they should die quickly.

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You could do what I did and just use the Lv60 recipe. I wasn't about to go out and get Holy Basil from a timed node to level my CUL so I decided to instead make the teas that just want Yak Milk which you can buy from the Crystarium. That, and as an added bonus, maxing out the collectability of the Lv60 recipe is far, far easier, especially if you're only Lv72 so there's not THAT much difference. My Lv74 goldsmith will all updated tools, clothes, and jewelry struggled to get Tier 2 on the Lv70 recipe, and the difference between Lv60 Max and Lv70 basic is only 300k.

So you could get 1.7 million for turning in a max collectable Lv60 recipe, or you could get 2 million by doing the Lv70 recipe at the first reward tier, but have to get way more materials (3 different skybuilders' vs 2) and instead of Beetle Blue, you would instead only need a Dark Chestnut Lumber which is easy peasy.

Wow these things pay that much xp??? Geez..

Well, I guess its in line with what some of the leves start to pay around those levels..

I've been doing the level 80 Weaver, third tier and at 58 or 59(?) scrips per, that's a LOT of gathering and crafting just to get the emote or singlet, etc..

I was never a big fan of macros, but again I never really made things over and over and over.. once I got a good rotation for these things though, I broke down and macro'd it.

I'm avoiding those bleetle Glue becuase the mats are annoying to get, just do leves and grand company turn ins

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I'm avoiding those bleetle Glue becuase the mats are annoying to get, just do leves and grand company turn ins

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Just do the one before it that only wants a chestnut lumber, lol. It'll take slightly more of them, but they're way easier to actually craft.

Agreed on the Lv60 crafts seeming far more efficient. Only two stacks of specialised materials instead of three, and you can buy some of the other materials directly.

Goldsmith calls for tallow candles (a cheap purchase from any material-supplier NPC at the major cities) and carpenter uses titanium nuggets, which are more expensive and purchased from the Vath tribe, but still an easier option if you'd rather buy materials than gather everything.

I hadn't realised yak milk was purchasable though - will have to make use of that and get my CUL up a few levels.

The one thing I don't understand about DoW retainer gathering is that while a miner can bring back 30 of any given ore, you get 10 of a monster drop even though many recipes take them same amount of items for the craft.

Some leather takes 4 skins, why does my over geared retainer only bring back 10 but I need 4 logs for a craft and my under geared retainer brings back 30...

It makes 0 sense.

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The one thing I don't understand about DoW retainer gathering is that while a miner can bring back 30 of any given ore, you get 10 of a monster drop even though many recipes take them same amount of items for the craft.

Some leather takes 4 skins, why does my over geared retainer only bring back 10 but I need 4 logs for a craft and my under geared retainer brings back 30...

It makes 0 sense.

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Because the skins aren't locked to collection by a single specific class. Any retainer with a DoM/DoW class can gather them if they're a high enough level just as any player with a DoM/DoW class/job can kill the creatures who drop the skins. That creates a greater potential for more of them to reach the MB.

It still adds up quickly though if you send your DoW/DoM retainers to get them.

One thing SE has probably forgotten when setting up yields for higher level delivery ventures: At ARR levels, 1 skin would be turned into one leather so a retainer bringing back 10 skins was potentially 10 leathers (with the right alumen). Three logs or ore would create a lumber or ingot so a retainer bringing back 30 lumber or ore was 10 lumber or ingots (same net yield).

Then they started messing with the numbers in HW and that threw the yields off. We don't know what the coding for ventures looks like so it's possible the max yields on the delivery ventures can't be changed from what they are.

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The one thing I don't understand about DoW retainer gathering is that while a miner can bring back 30 of any given ore, you get 10 of a monster drop even though many recipes take them same amount of items for the craft.

Some leather takes 4 skins, why does my over geared retainer only bring back 10 but I need 4 logs for a craft and my under geared retainer brings back 30...

It makes 0 sense.

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In theory your retainers are out there in the field mining, fishing, hunting, ect. Trees and rocks don't run away or fight back. The returns reflect the amount of time players take to get things, not how much you need them.

LTW was always a disproportionate class, all around.

It takes far, FAR longer to get the skins to make leather, but yet you still need 4 skins for 1 leather. If you're a BSM or ARM, you can grab 4 sands and an older ore and make a nugget, or 4 slightly higher level ores + old ore to make an ingot. These are laughably easy to do. If you're a CRP, you get 4 logs and make a lumber. If you're a WVR, most cloth only want either coccoons or plants to make their thread, with sometimes an older item like effervescent water. If you're a GSM, you need raw gems and a whetstone which is made from stone you can mine.

But LTW...

You need to get an alumen powder, and 4 skins. The 4 skins take way longer than getting 4 of any of the DoL materials.

IMO, LTW should only need 1-2 skins because of how much more effort you gotta put into getting the skins and it isn't like LTW items take less materials, no, oftentimes they take MORE materials than comparable WVR recipes. If you want to make a LTW armor, it's usually 2 leathers, 1 cloth, 1 thread, a gem, and sometimes a nugget. If you want to make a WVR armor, it's usually 2 cloth, 1 leather, a nugget, and sometimes a gem. The 2 cloth is far easier to get than the 2 leather, especially now with the 3 Threads change.

The least they could do is make it so you could get 2-3 leathers out of one recipe, if they think they absolutely must have you gathering 4 skins to make leather.

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In theory your retainers are out there in the field mining, fishing, hunting, ect. Trees and rocks don't run away or fight back. The returns reflect the amount of time players take to get things, not how much you need them.

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That's a poor excuse tho since I can gather 8 fleece from 1 sheep. If anything mob drops are easier to obtain if you want to farm them manually, at least in ARR zones, so having their amount cut by a third for a retainer makes no sense.

Likely its what Jojoya said and SE just didn't realize they changed recipes from 1 to 3-4 skins a pop, cause we all know how much they look backwards when going forward.

I think they just want you to go out into the world for leather.

Little do they know I'd much rather just farm it via retainers.

I have 2 DOW and 2 DOL Retainers so they have helped me out.
I usually gather about 500 per item so send the retainers out while i do so.
The return is not huge from them so i sometimes go out and gather said item as well and sell whatever they gather since prices are good atm