Rival Wings Feedback

Hello everyone!

We'd like to provide feedback to further improve the Rival Wings mode and encourage further participation in the future. Currently there is a lack of feedback from the western community on the Official Forums and we'd like to have our voices heard, this is a community effort across multiple discords in NA/EU to provide PVP feedback on Official Forums. We hope the following feedback can be brought to the attention of the development team and encourages the player base to become more active on the forums.

Please post your feedback regarding Rival Wings in this thread.

A small request:
- Keep it civil please,
- Don't feed any trolls.

Community Discords -
PvPaissa - Central hub for Feast and Frontlines
Revival Wings - PvP discord with emphasis on scheduling, teaching and grouping up for Rival Wings.
The Braveheart - PvP discord for the Primal PvP community.
Banette JcJ - French-focused PvP discord and hotspot for Custom Matches in EU.
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...uide/pvpguide/

A quick feedback from myself:

Integrate a map of the full arena into the UI.

without a doubt the first thing i tell people to do in RW is to close their mini map and open up the full map, its very important to be aware of upcoming objectives/incoming enemy mechs to win, would like to see this added as a way to provide information in a mechanic heavy gamemode and reduce the chat macro spam informing the team of objectives and mechs.

Bring back the old Astralagos map

i want to see more map variety in RW, the old map did have its flaws but if the dev team considered a rework (smaller map, lanes on similar heights etc) it would make the mode more appealing, as queuing into the same area can be repetitive and leads to people simply becoming bored.

Consider a Rival Roulette in the Duty Tab

This can tie in with my above point, you can alternate the maps each day and may encourage participation for people looking to gather tomes, wins/achievements etc this was heavily voted for in favour when brought up in Revival Wings discord.

Consider Removal of Cannons

This might be a controversial opinion, but i've played a fair share of games in RW and one of thing that frustrates me is how easily cannons can cover for the teams lack of awareness/defence. i could make a play where i sneak past the enemy defence as a Brute Justice only to be torn apart by a single cannon user, yes i could rocket punch and mega beam them but when it comes down to very small % in core HP for the win i just want to get as many hits into the core as possible, Allow me to punish the enemy team for lacking awareness and letting me through their defence.

Finally, Consider a rework to collecting CE

This would be a difficult issue to tackle, but in a game mode with a very heavy reliance on completing Objectives the last thing i want to do is to break off from a fight and have to collect CE tanks to use mechs, i feel this bores people into doing what is essentially a fetch quest in pvp. I'd like the team to consider the option to reward players actually pvp-ing, allow the use of mechs from team kills obtained (think using the soaring stacks as a form of currency) maybe even reach a certain number of soaring for example: 10 - OPP, 15 - Chaser, - 20 Brute. i feel this change would remove what is a boring pve element in a pvp mode to encourage actual pvp, focus on winning the objectives and defeating enemy players.

Consider adding a single-person instance for player practice

At the moment, if you want to learn anything about Rival Wings, you have to talk to a goblin (who is not marked with any special title, making him seem like a random NPC). This goblin will give you some slides with text and pictures to explain Rival Wings.

When a player joins their first Rival Wings match, their UI gets additional windows showing a lot of different information which the player would have to set up to their liking(customize UI) and check what each of them are showing. This will slow them down in the beginning.

Then there is the factor of the robots. If you have not learned anything about them, you might grab a robot and use it incorrectly, wrecking it quickly and costing your team resources.

A single-person instance could help with some of these problems. It would give a new player time to get familiar with the new UI without stressing them in a live match. It would also give the player time to train with the different robots and learn what they can do and are good at, give time to read tooltips and such.

This will make it less stressfull for a new player, and would maybe help get new people for Rival Wings.

I think it time for more rewards to be added to Rival Wings if they want further incentive to play on NA/EU. If you look at the larger PvP counterpart, frontlines... there are 3 times as much rewards. Frontline has 3 maps, Rival wings has 2 maps. In Rival Wings, you work towards the White and Black Magitek Avenger Gorilla mounts. In frontlines overall you can get 3 Grand Company Mounts, Black ADS, Yellow ADS, White ADS, and The Field Commander Set. It's always good to give people options on what they would like to play instead of letting content die out.

- New map
- Rival Wings roulette
- New Rival Wings exclusive rewards

All that comes to mind for now. Definitely nothing that wasn't mentioned already, but I think if it was mentioned enough by different people they're more likely to listen.

I would love to see more achievements added. There is potential for all kinds of achievements instead just having "Win x amount of times" :P

As others have echoed here, there is a severe disparity between the amount of attention Frontlines gets, in the form of mechanical changes, rewards and ease of access versus that of Rival Wings.

The fact that NA/EU has to resort to out-of-game coordination to even have a remote possibility of the gamemode being available is pretty damning. Especially on Data Centres which don't house a particularly active population, PvP or otherwise. We need serious developer intevention to ensure this content continues to be in use.

Add Rival Wings either to the Roulette or bunded into the Frontlines roulette.
More rewards.
Greater ease-of-access for new comers.
Possibly look at reducing the numbers required to pop the queue, although this could severly change the power dynamic of the mode.

Integrated map is what I want the most. You basically need it open the whole time anyways.


That and let us use some of those tools that feasts has in Rival Wings. They are useful callouts!

The biggest reason why Rival Wings is underplayed is the rewards are significantly lower than the other modes for the same effort. While fun is an important part of the game having less than half the reward is hugely detrimental.

Current Problems:

Problem: No extra daily bonus.

If you want to play a game a day. A Rival Wings game is going to net you 1/2-1/3 of the Wolf Marks you'd get off a Frontlines game.

Solution: Daily Roulette like Frontlines or added to the Frontlines rotation.


Problem: Challenge Log difficulty.

Challenge Log requires several more games of Rival Wings than Frontlines Log does for the same reward. Even with a Daily Roulette for it you'd still need to put in more game during the week to grab the Challenge Logs.

Solution: Reduce Challenge Log requirements.


Problem: Current lack of longterm PvP rewards.

With Garo no longer existing over half of the overall Wolf Marks usage doesn't exist anymore. There is a severe lack of rewards for newer players and even veterans. In under 20-30 hours of PvP well under 100 games played. You'd have enough that you'll start stacking up on Wolf Marks with nothing to buy.

Solution: Add old Feast rewards as longterm rewards or introduction of new expensive rewards. Old Feast rewards should keep their immense rarity but they should also be "attainable" as a lifetime reward. Immensely expensive at 200k-2m Wolf Marks. Even buying one would require several hundred games. Otherwise adding several new rewards that are intended as expensive lifetime rewards will also suffice


Problem: Newbie Mechs.

It's not indicative enough that Oppressors are purely for destroying Towers/Core. The same for Chasers killing mechs and players as a secondary.

Solution: Oppressors should only be able to damage towers, cores and cannon users. Chasers being unable to damage Mammets, Spin Crusher doing significantly reduced damage to high hp players but with immensely increased damage to low hp ones or those that have been hit by Laser X Sword/Optical Sight. By not offering any damage or effect for the action newbie players will be encouraged to immediately stop doing them. The end result causing them to perform their actual role.


Problem: Shooting from the middle of the lane at the enemy Core not being so easily understood.

There should be more indication as to where you can damage the Core from as an Oppressor/Justice. Even indications for towers as well such as the stair spots.

Solution: When in an Oppressor/Justice there should be an effective range at which your attacks can start damaging a Tower/Core as an effect emanating from it.

I know it's already been stated, but the simplest "fix" for Rival Wings would be to add a Daily Roulette/Challenge for it like the one that already exists for Frontlines. That alone would bring in tons of new blood to the game mode. I'm not saying other changes like the ones posted above aren't necessary, just that the fastest (and seemingly easiest) way to revive Rival Wings' population would be to add a lucrative daily incentive to players who would otherwise probably not even play it.

Please give us a Rival Wings daily challenge.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Please give us a Rival Wings daily challenge.

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I’d like to see a challenge log for all Pvp modes, things like “win x amount of times”, “kill x amount of mechs” etc. Could be like the wonderous tails we already have. Can give us tomes, exp, maybe a minion or two, wolf marks, would be a nice thing to do while playing.

I would like to see more achievements happen and have them relay to netting the objectives.

Have some tie into occupying the train, while others can hold for actively doing enough damage for the merc, something that allows players who already have the mount to hop back in even after getting their mounts.

I think the biggest thing we need (especially considering the Frontlines changes) is a dedicated Roulette option for Rival Wings. Even if it's just Hidden Gorge for the time and Astralagos comes back later. These queues (especially on Crystal) are painful, and we NEED the support for this mode. The community is doing the best we can but we need that push from SE to make it happen more often.

As others already mentioned the available achievements could be much improved. Rival Wings has a lot of opportunities for nice achievements which would be far more fun than "Win 1000 times". Example of such could be:

- As an Oppressor deal 2.000.000 or more damage to enemy structures within a single victory
- As a Brute Justice kill 20 or more mammets within a single victory
- As Cruise Chaser deal 300.000 or more damage to enemy mechs within a single victory
- Capture the 'Gobcrate' at least three times within a single match
- Within a single match collect 200 or more ceruleum

These would be much more fun to chase after than "1000 wins" and would also encourage proper play in order to actually obtain them.

Please add a custom minimap for Rival Wings which replaces the default compass (similar to the minimap that every moba has). Since the map shows all mech positions it is vital for proper play and experienced players currently solve this by just leaving the normal map open the whole time. New players do not know of this "trick" and as such have a lot less information available to them.

Still fairly new to RW so no mechanics commentary from me, but I would enjoy the following from the suggestions so far:

• adding (more)weekly challenges for all types of PvP (including RW)
• adding an integrated map for all types of PvP (including RW)
• adding RW to daily roulettes
• more achievements for what you do *during* RW
• rewards for some of those achievements
• new map or re-release reworked previous map for a change of pace

RW can be a fun game mode yet needs more promotion.

Rival Wings would be great, if I could actually get in....https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...507798d317.jpg

3 quick ones:
- increase range on cannons BUT change the cast time that varies depending how far you want to shoot, so you could actually hit the opps bombarding your core from behind that rock but also be able to defend it (and yourself) if someone decides to get a bit more "personal experience" in your base,
- add a nuke/bomb enemy core for X% dmg when your team controls X trains in a row (3 trains = 20%, 5 = 50%, [numbers and % are just an example]),
- be able to kamikaze yourself into enemy core like a mammet if your LB bar is full. Adds a bit of variety to RW gameplay and makes that 1 train actually useful.

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Originally Posted by Haldonir

Rival Wings would be great, if I could actually get in....https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...507798d317.jpg

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Hey check out the revival wings discord link in the original comment, they organise runs during the weekend.

I also agree - please give us a daily roulette, I pretty much agree with most of the other suggestions as well; however just doing this would help immensely then we can go from there.

I came from FFXI where there was all sorts of content rarely used and took tons of dev time (I'm looking at you Ballista, Pankration, etc) I wanted to try all those things -- but with multiplayer requirements as they were sometimes they'd die within a month of launch. I notice that does happen far less here. Rival Wings is fun (especially the new map) and more players would try it if they knew what to do or could get in via queuing instead of getting essentially unknown dungeon finder pop time.

I also think that game content shouldn't require discord just to get in. Anything you can do re daily challenges and rewards would help. Same goes for Eureka, whatever Diadem turns into, and Baldesion Arsenal. Rare rewards are ok, but knowing you took a few months off from the game and xyz is no longer attainable is not good.

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Originally Posted by Atreya

As others already mentioned the available achievements could be much improved. Rival Wings has a lot of opportunities for nice achievements which would be far more fun than "Win 1000 times". Example of such could be:

- As an Oppressor deal 2.000.000 or more damage to enemy structures within a single victory
- As a Brute Justice kill 20 or more mammets within a single victory
- As Cruise Chaser deal 300.000 or more damage to enemy mechs within a single victory
- Capture the 'Gobcrate' at least three times within a single match
- Within a single match collect 200 or more ceruleum

These would be much more fun to chase after than "1000 wins" and would also encourage proper play in order to actually obtain them.

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This is good but I think you should be able to make progress on these achievements even if you lose the match.

The idea of requiring it to be a victory (for some of them) is to avoid players from purposely playing only for their achivement such as permanently suiciding Oppressors just to somehow get the damage in while being a detriment to their team otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Atreya

The idea of requiring it to be a victory (for some of them) is to avoid players from purposely playing only for their achivement such as permanently suiciding Oppressors just to somehow get the damage in while being a detriment to their team otherwise.

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Most of these rewards should be win only, we seen it during the tome farms that some people would afk, same in fl too.

Another week has gone by on the Chaos DC since 5.1 dropped where there hasn't been a single game of Rival Wings, even with a concerted push by the Revival Wings community. There needs to be developer intervention soon, else this content is never going to get played again.

A learner mode would be great. I've only been in once due to the queues. I had no idea what was going on, but we were getting steamrolled by another organised group.
I don't want to be directed to YouTube to learn how to play in game content. (Although i guess I should have enough time whilst waiting lol)