Bring back loot lockout for normal raids.

I was happy with the new normal raid loot system brought in with Shadowbringers, with 8 items if you weren’t picky you were bound to get something, it all felt very streamlined and I never had to spend more than 4 runs at my unluckiest running the same instance.

But now loot lockout is gone it’s back to the usual fighting for all the loot against everyone and their grandma regardless of if they need it or not and it sucks being in competition with the entire rest of the party for half or even a quarter of a piece of gear.

So my suggestion is rather than lifting the loot lockout entirely once the content is outdated, change it from a weekly lockout to a per run lockout. So when you run the instance you can only win one drop like the weekly lockout, but once you leave you can go back in again and lot on gear again.

This would keep the fairness of the lockout system in place and make people think carefully about what they want rather than just lotting everything.

They could even take this a step further and make it so you can only need on one item but can greed everything, meaning if you really want something you can need it but if you’re just after loot for the sake of lotting things you can still greed them.

I think they should keep all weekly lockouts and remove all catchup methods, it ruins the gear progress for new players when they can just buy the max item level gear with poetics.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

I think they should keep all weekly lockouts and remove all catchup methods, it ruins the gear progress for new players when they can just buy the max item level gear with poetics.

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I joined after the release of Shadowbringers, took about two months to finish the MSQ, eagerly went to the ShB endgame vendor with my 2k poetics, saved up from my adventures across Eorzea and Norvrandt, only to find to my shock and horror that I needed Goetia and Phantasmagoria to acquire endgame gear. /s

I don't know where this "poetics for highest raid gear" comes from. Or do you expect new players to gear progress through each expansion before moving onto the next? Heckin' wild, mate

They could change it to just 1 piece of loot per instance which would help a bit so everyone could at least get one piece but you could run it multiple times to get more.

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

I joined after the release of Shadowbringers, took about two months to finish the MSQ, eagerly went to the ShB endgame vendor with my 2k poetics, saved up from my adventures across Eorzea and Norvrandt, only to find to my shock and horror that I needed Goetia and Phantasmagoria to acquire endgame gear. /s

I don't know where this "poetics for highest raid gear" comes from. Or do you expect new players to gear progress through each expansion before moving onto the next? Heckin' wild, mate

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For for end game currency, all current expansion gear will be bought with phantasmagoria (ilvl 460) and Goetia (ilvl440). For endgame gear from previous expansions (SB ended with ilvl 400) you can buy with poetics. I think what he was saying was that if youre a new player, and your going through the MST (lets say on 1 job only) so you have an abundance of poetics, you'll probably be level 70 (if not higher) by the time you even reach Stormblood content. In this case, as soon as you hit SB you could use poetics to buy the max ilvl gear for that previous expansion without having to go through everything to get it. IDK fully, since I do savage raids with a static so I've never had a gear problem.

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Originally Posted by Sabora_Makingai

For for end game currency, all current expansion gear will be bought with phantasmagoria (ilvl 460) and Goetia (ilvl440). For endgame gear from previous expansions (SB ended with ilvl 400) you can buy with poetics. I think what he was saying was that if youre a new player, and your going through the MST (lets say on 1 job only) so you have an abundance of poetics, you'll probably be level 70 (if not higher) by the time you even reach Stormblood content. In this case, as soon as you hit SB you could use poetics to buy the max ilvl gear for that previous expansion without having to go through everything to get it. IDK fully, since I do savage raids with a static so I've never had a gear problem.

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And look at the kind of gear needed to do the first ShB dungeon. Far and above the item level obtained in the MSQ. There's no issue at all with being able to acquire previous expansion's content gear for poetics, especially as the vendors for HW and SB are locked behind finishing the MSQ. Forcing players to gear up through dungeons etc in earlier expansions would be a rather eregious time sink

So....ask them to change a pattern they've been doing since at least 3.1? Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by enthauptet

They could change it to just 1 piece of loot per instance which would help a bit so everyone could at least get one piece but you could run it multiple times to get more.

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I believe that is what OP is suggesting.

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

And look at the kind of gear needed to do the first ShB dungeon. Far and above the item level obtained in the MSQ. There's no issue at all with being able to acquire previous expansion's content gear for poetics, especially as the vendors for HW and SB are locked behind finishing the MSQ. Forcing players to gear up through dungeons etc in earlier expansions would be a rather eregious time sink

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While there is absolutely no problem with how poetics work and it's a great way to keep your alt jobs up-to-date with gear while leveling - leveling MSQ does supply you with good enough gear for any content said MSQ requires. The only time you need external ways to gear up, is when doing current level-cap MSQ and once new expansion is released, appropriate gear rewards are added to those quests as well. Following level 50 MSQ will reward you with multiple gear sets so that you're ready for any dungeon or trial you have to face, same at 60 and 70, no need to spend any poetics on your first job.

No. Don't punish the rest of us for your bad rolls. Run the content until you get what you want. Period.

I've got 12 jobs to gear and having unfettered access to the parts is way more efficient than getting one piece and getting locked out again. It sucks if you lose multiple things you needed to higher rolls and I feel you there but having the opportunity to roll as much as you want on whatever you want considerably widens the net.

Now if they'd just remove belts from all the alliance raids and make the lvl 50 ones drop more than one piece per chest I'd be ecstatic.

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

I joined after the release of Shadowbringers, took about two months to finish the MSQ, eagerly went to the ShB endgame vendor with my 2k poetics, saved up from my adventures across Eorzea and Norvrandt, only to find to my shock and horror that I needed Goetia and Phantasmagoria to acquire endgame gear. /s

I don't know where this "poetics for highest raid gear" comes from. Or do you expect new players to gear progress through each expansion before moving onto the next? Heckin' wild, mate

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Crafted gear is important. Assuming you can get it, it allows people behind to play catch up.

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

I joined after the release of Shadowbringers, took about two months to finish the MSQ, eagerly went to the ShB endgame vendor with my 2k poetics, saved up from my adventures across Eorzea and Norvrandt, only to find to my shock and horror that I needed Goetia and Phantasmagoria to acquire endgame gear. /s

I don't know where this "poetics for highest raid gear" comes from. Or do you expect new players to gear progress through each expansion before moving onto the next? Heckin' wild, mate

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yes I do because if I started to play now, I would hate it.

Crafting is always an option.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

yes I do because if I started to play now, I would hate it.

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I think you're just being deliberately obtuse, frankly. Nobody wants to gear progress through each expansion.

Secretly wish they would limit it to one item per instance. You could still farm plenty but yeah.

If we're only talking normal raids, I wouldn't change much. I you aren't picky, you already have a decent chance of taking one of the 8 tokens (or more). If you are picky, then it would depend on how popular a roll that piece is you are going for. Less people would roll on the same piece, but there would be still pieces everyone passes on basically going to waste.

Post loot limitations I farmed 3-4 jobs worth of full sets. Sure sometimes RNG is a lali-ho, but on average its still fast enough, and you have a number of alternative, more stable loot sources on the side.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

yes I do because if I started to play now, I would hate it.

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Nothing is stopping you from acquiring gear through the (outdated now) order. No need to impose that on others.

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Originally Posted by Videra

I think you're just being deliberately obtuse, frankly. Nobody wants to gear progress through each expansion.

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No wonder ffxiv community outside official forum always refer the forum as a joke.

Not even FB group is that silly

You can try waiting a few min before looting... that way people who are actually not needing it probably leave the instance before you loot... not the best idea moral wise but it is within the rule.

Make friends, let them know what you want, and run the instances with them.

Sure, it sucks rolling sub-30s on everything for a half dozen runs, but I'd venture a guess if people are doing Eden, they probably need the gear, too. Even if just for a side-job. Augmented HQ craft goods are also a currently serviceable alternative where you can also hop servers to find good deals on the sacrificial items. All you need is the Goetia for the Rain.

It's amazing how many times I've left Eden with nothing, even with the possibility of winning 8 items instead of just 1 now, it feels like a majority of the time I'm getting nothing at all. Guaranteeing 1 per run sounds a lot better than what I've been experiencing since 5.1.

I liked it better before with one item per run. Now it seems people simply roll on everything and in my experience you often come away with nothing you want.

I am usually not after any particular item when running normal raids. Being able to roll on every item and usually obtaining 1-3 of them every run makes gearing left side for my alt jobs very easy and use crafted accessories on the right side now that we can upgrade them to i460.

So to response to this thread I am happy with the fact we can roll on multiple items since I don't have to think about which one I want to roll on. Can just roll need on all and add whatever tokens I get to my stockpile to use when needed.

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Originally Posted by Losara

I am usually not after any particular item when running normal raids. Being able to roll on every item and usually obtaining 1-3 of them every run makes gearing left side for my alt jobs very easy and use crafted accessories on the right side now that we can upgrade them to i460.

So to response to this thread I am happy with the fact we can roll on multiple items since I don't have to think about which one I want to roll on. Can just roll need on all and add whatever tokens I get to my stockpile to use when needed.

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Basically this.

Only one thing to add: Eden NM is literally always a braindead win (even with the most gcbtw df highlights you could possibly get) and takes no more than 10 minutes per run. If you want to gear something up, you gotta put effort in it and the current effort for NM raid gear is already minimal to a point where they could just hand it out for free.

Loot lockout for normal is always removed on odd patches. Now you can get a piece of gear from the 24 man, or farm the dungeon for ilvl 445. Which is good enough if you do not intend to do savage. There is also the capped tomes, You can craft ilvl 450 and upgrade to 460.

need fix now

20+ runs no pants. cant raid cause my i level 2 low... i hate this..

simply ask if you can a have a piece of certain gear you are after. Most times people are a ok as long as you say something about needing it.

I like the idea of Needing one piece and being able to Greed the rest. Still have a chance at getting everything you aim for, but this way you can set one item up specifically for increased priority.

pay 100k for a crafted piece which has a higher ilvl anyway (if you trade it for 650 now)

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Originally Posted by Miminming

You can try waiting a few min before looting... that way people who are actually not needing it probably leave the instance before you loot... not the best idea moral wise but it is within the rule.

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I like that idea. The competition is brutal. I see no moral issues at all with this.

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Originally Posted by LonaCassio

need fix now

20+ runs no pants. cant raid cause my i level 2 low... i hate this..

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So i pulled up your character to try to offer some quick-gearing advice. Sometimes people miss obvious steps. No big deal. So... your character seems to have every class at max level. If the ilvl is too low to raid on some specific class just make yourself something. You have all those crafters and gatherers. Take advantage.