So...Has anyone tried Eureka since 5.1? Is it soloable now?

Just curious as to if Eureka is more easily soloable now.

Im one of the people who went in to the first Eureka, got to level 2, and quit playing it because i hated it, only to regret it later when everyone had moved on and the armour started showing up (I want it for my glams :'()

How soloable is each...Tier? Of Eureka now? If at all?

I too would like to know this. Stopped after Pogos cause it drain all my willpower

I've been soloing it for a few months now. Started as dragoon and got splatted, then changed to Paladin and it's slow going but doable with self heals. Mostly just doing the challenge log every week. Sometimes get a group doing the fates, but mostly just solo doing logs till I'm done. Have only been doing for story tho and not gotten any of the weapon quests so I can't speak for that. The actions in 3rd and 4 areas make soloing easier since I can get damage and defense boosts... It is slow but got lots of netflix watched along the way. Whatever changes should only make it easier I think

I was in there yesterday for a bit
Just did some rabbit fates but the echo boost
helps a ton im not sure about fates but there was a group easily spawning fates and doing them so not sure about solo able but small party sure can do it

We've been popping all NMs like Cassie, Ceto and Skoll throughout the last two days. With elemental gear, you can solo max level mobs in your zone (except with Pyros and Hydatos where you need to combine it with logos). Also, almost in every instance you'll find a group of people working on something.

As for Pagos, it's now a breeze to fill in your light. If you get a group of only 3, you can fill your kettle twice in 20min (getting more will reduce your light gain but still not a really bad amount).

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

We've been popping all NMs like Cassie, Ceto and Skoll throughout the last two days. With elemental gear, you can solo max level mobs in your zone (except with Pyros and Hydatos where you need to combine it with logos). Also, almost in every instance you'll find a group of people working on something.

As for Pagos, it's now a breeze to fill in your light. If you get a group of only 3, you can fill your kettle twice in 20min (getting more will reduce your light gain but still not a really bad amount).

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I'm just gonna pretend that i understood all that, as someone who is level 2 in there and barely set foot outside of the first safe zone when it was first introduced, heh.


Soo...What im hearing is that its still not fully soloable?

tl'dr: Advancing through Eureka is soloable now, although you still do need to do fates with a group if you want the relic gear.

Long version:

Gaining elemental level (and thus being able to advance the story) is very easy to solo, particularly if you're a Red Mage or Scholar. You can target enemies one level above you with ease and very easily reach chain 30. This even leads to a decent amount of light in the applicable zones and works extremely well with the weekly challenge logs. If you can get a small party of friends going, you can probably move up a couple of elemental levels and make it go even faster. My personal anecdote: I took a break at the start of Pagos and never took it up again until yesterday. I went from elemental level 21 to 32 solo yesterday using the challenge log and was also able to obtain 10 light from it.

Gaining the primary crystals for relics (not the light ones that you forge) is still tied to fates, however, and this does require fate farming still. That said, the zones are much less populated and I find that people on average are much more accommodating and willing to wait on people before pulling than before. I.e. the train is no longer an unstoppable steam-roll. I found from my 2 days in there since 5.1 that there's usually enough people to form roughly 2 parties for doing fates. Aside from some of the capstone fates (e.g. Cassie in Pagos) I also found that fates take far less effort to spawn and the cooldown between spawning also appears to be shorter. I spent about 5 hours today farming fates and got 300 pagos crystals, another 7 frosted pagos crystals, and went from elemental level 32 to 34. Most of the time was super chill with everyone helping out to make sure everyone got to the fate, although toward the end that helpfulness started to wane as new people with different personalities started to join.

Edit: Oh, and the final item for the relic gear that drops from the highest level fate in the zone can now be purchased with crystals at any eurekan birdwatcher, so you don't even need to worry about spawning that fate unless you want one of its other drops.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I'm just gonna pretend that i understood all that, as someone who is level 2 in there and barely set foot outside of the first safe zone when it was first introduced, heh.


Soo...What im hearing is that its still not fully soloable?

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My bad lol.

To say fully soloable, I would say no. But, you can pretty much do a lot of stuff now solo with ease and especially leveling. For some FATE boses, you'd probably want to have a group if you're not familiar with the fight or don't have good gear for it (minimum I'd say is 1DPS 1 Tank and 1healer).

I haven't played around too much, but my previous experience was something like this:

Anemos, I didn't mind too much. Enemies weren't terribly tough to begin with, enemy placement wasn't a horrible chore, and you could fairly easily solo your challenge log well before this update. I would suspect that now, Anemos is fairly tame.

Pagos really wasn't as bad as everyone says, for me. Enemy density seemed a little higher, but not awful, could still make it around the map if you were careful (although the cliffs were an awful design). But the enemies here were somewhat immediately frustrating. I found I didn't really enjoy fighting very much here, but, thankfully during my time there, groups were common enough that I got through it rather painlessly. With the buffs now, I would suspect Pagos to be a bit more reasonable, though hard to say if the common complaints have actually been alleviated.

I never got to finish Pyros before 5.0 dropped. Much like Pagos, my opinion on the zone was mostly opposite to the majority. I really hated this zone. Logos actions don't make up for all the bad. Mobs are very densely packed, making some areas of the map incredibly difficult to navigate prior to overleveling. With the changes, enemy placement is still the same, so there's kinda largely the same risk in some ways. There always seems to be a handful of players in spawning FATEs when I've checked, so that's nice. Not sure about the crystal drop rates, tho. 600+ to upgrade all my gear for the next zone sounds incredibly daunting without a proper FATE train now.

Overall, using mounts is a godsend. I didn't mind learning how to walk everywhere, but, mostly just made things unnecessarily tedious and slow.
Enemies do seem easier to kill now. Previously, I only really felt safe trying challenge logs in Anemos, capped at 20. I could probably try killing things closer to my actual level now without much stress.
But, they also did not remove the exp penalty from death (to my knowledge), so, I'm still not entirely willing to push myself to any limit.
Mind you, all of these observations are from trying to take a BLM through this. Much of this might feel a lot different on jobs with better self-preservation.

Conclusion: If you're interested in the glams, be ready for a grind. It's the 4.0 relic, after all. It's meant to be tedious. Being able to solo the FATEs for the crystals you need is questionable. But, also remember, this may depend largely on how many others are in the instance. FATEs are tuned to current capacity. Might be, if you can get in and you're the only one there, things could actually be fairly easy. But, if it's not, and you're the only one there, you're gonna eat a penalty if you bite off too much.

pyros is still anoying to navigate, and the story is still hard to do, you know, because you need to navigate thro areas what has mobs of higer level than you, mobs what you can't kill solo if you are still bellow their level

I despised Eureka when it was current content. They'd have to let me one shot the world mobs to get me to even consider stepping foot in there again. Those relics can stay there and rot.

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Originally Posted by Xau

pyros is still anoying to navigate, and the story is still hard to do, you know, because you need to navigate thro areas what has mobs of higer level than you, mobs what you can't kill solo if you are still bellow their level

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Are you sure about that? Because I could solo a level 52 without elemental gear or logos easily on a red mage (with platebearer and bloodbath, you won't even need to heal). So that only leaves the level 53-55 mobs that are mostly on the east side of that cave.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Are you sure about that? Because I could solo a level 52 without elemental gear or logos easily on a red mage (with platebearer and bloodbath, you won't even need to heal). So that only leaves the level 53-55 mobs that are mostly on the east side of that cave.

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The level 35 quest takes you around level 40 mobs.
The level 38 quest has you trying to get past mobs up to 44 (45, but I wouldn't count the ones in the cave, easy to walk by).
The level 40 quest has you risking your way through 49 mobs (though, again, it seems strangely easier in the caves, once you can get in there).

Pyros is genuinely a nightmare to navigate while you're still low enough to be aggro'd. Hell, just stepping out the gates as soon as you first arrive is a bit frightening, and I'd wager we've all seen newbs racing back through spawn with a pack on their heels, calling for a rez in what should be a safe zone. There's just an unreasonable amount of mobs in the area, too many large clusters, and there really doesn't need to be for the most part. All the more frustrating after coming through the last two zones with their much more open areas.

More on point, I spent a session in there tonight. With the buffs, it's definitely loads easier to solo regular mobs at-level now (attempting with RDM, while I usually prefer BLM, just for the safety heals, which I've been reluctant to fall back on). This change alone does make the challenge log significantly easier to clear on your own, including sprites/ashkin (if you can find things in your range). NMs seemed to spawn fairly easily.

Still think crystal drop rates should be buffed, though. You're still required to NM farm, and despite the buffs, it's still going to take much longer to do now.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

The level 35 quest takes you around level 40 mobs.
The level 38 quest has you trying to get past mobs up to 44 (45, but I wouldn't count the ones in the cave, easy to walk by).
The level 40 quest has you risking your way through 49 mobs (though, again, it seems strangely easier in the caves, once you can get in there).

Pyros is genuinely a nightmare to navigate while you're still low enough to be aggro'd. Hell, just stepping out the gates as soon as you first arrive is a bit frightening, and I'd wager we've all seen newbs racing back through spawn with a pack on their heels, calling for a rez in what should be a safe zone. There's just an unreasonable amount of mobs in the area, too many large clusters, and there really doesn't need to be for the most part. All the more frustrating after coming through the last two zones with their much more open areas.

More on point, I spent a session in there tonight. With the buffs, it's definitely loads easier to solo regular mobs at-level now (attempting with RDM, while I usually prefer BLM, just for the safety heals, which I've been reluctant to fall back on). This change alone does make the challenge log significantly easier to clear on your own, including sprites/ashkin (if you can find things in your range). NMs seemed to spawn fairly easily.

Still think crystal drop rates should be buffed, though. You're still required to NM farm, and despite the buffs, it's still going to take much longer to do now.

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You don't have to do the story anymore to be able to mount. So leaving the story quests till reaching max level in Pagos-Hydatos is the best option now. As for NMs their HP scales down to the number of players in the instance. If you were alone in the instance (which was the case when SHB launched), their HP drastically scales down making them soloable and quick to kill. And that was pre 5.1 nerf. Now you can probably solo them with 3-4 in the instance.

But as a tip to deal with NMs you're not comfortable soloing, if you have to level sync to attack them, unsync whenever you're about to die and heal up. Your unsynced defense would make it a lot harder for them to kill you. Also, conceptual logograms are now dirt cheap on all servers. They can give you wisdom of the platebearer which increases your defense even more.

Okay so....Wait hold on, they made it easier to solo some things...but they didnt reduce the grind? What?

Guess im waiting till its nerfed again lol, the grind was easily the worst part from my limited time in there - it took me a full 4 hours to get up a single level, and while 5 hours for 3-4 levels doesnt sound quite so bad...that still sounds absolutely terrible.

I really hope at the very least that once 5.x's eureka style thing is out that not only will SB eureka be FULLY soloable, but also quicker to grind through...and i hope the ShB one doesnt take 4+ hours to get up a single level either...

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Okay so....Wait hold on, they made it easier to solo some things...but they didnt reduce the grind? What?

Guess im waiting till its nerfed again lol, the grind was easily the worst part from my limited time in there - it took me a full 4 hours to get up a single level, and while 5 hours for 3-4 levels doesnt sound quite so bad...that still sounds absolutely terrible.

I really hope at the very least that once 5.x's eureka style thing is out that not only will SB eureka be FULLY soloable, but also quicker to grind through...and i hope the ShB one doesnt take 4+ hours to get up a single level either...

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The grind is greatly reduced. They gave both a massive echo boost and a massive xp boost. The only thing that is not massively boosted is crystals, but because of the other two boosts those FATES are really easy to kill even just with a small party. I completed Pagos including leveling from level 20 to 35 and completing the entire relic chain for one job in 11 hours across 3 days. It's much faster now.

P.S. You can even solo most of the FATES now as a RDM. I learned this when the instance I was in became locked so everyone left to join a new one. I was left by myself for around 90 minutes so I just ran a solo FATE train for 90 minutes. It was definitely slower than the 1-2 party FATE train that normally happens, but I managed to collect about 150 crystals just soloing fates during that time.

You'd think they would allow it at this point since almost
everybody and they moms hate the doggone thing and nearly
no one does it. If you weren't out the gate with everyone else, you're fooked.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

If you weren't out the gate with everyone else, you're fooked.

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That was true before 5.1. It's no longer true as of 5.1.

It was never about the enemies it was about

1) The insane light grinds

2) The insane crystal requirements (especially bad in Hydatos)

3) The inability to get BA fragments outside of the Arsenal.

Neither of those are made better by the new changes. They need to add light, crystals, or a small amount of fragment for to the weekly challenge log if you're max level for the zone and be done with it.

They need to remove the xp on death penalty if you're max level for the zone.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It was never about the enemies it was about

1) The insane light grinds

Neither of those are made better by the new changes.

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I have way more light than I need when compared to the crystals needed. The recent changes absolutely made an impact on this, since reaching chain 30 is trivial now even solo and you are guaranteed light at every multiple of 5 along the way with a large amount gained at chain 30. Light is a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It was never about the enemies it was about

1) The insane light grinds

2) The insane crystal requirements (especially bad in Hydatos)

3) The inability to get BA fragments outside of the Arsenal.

Neither of those are made better by the new changes. They need to add light, crystals, or a small amount of fragment for to the weekly challenge log if you're max level for the zone and be done with it.

They need to remove the xp on death penalty if you're max level for the zone.

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1- Light is now extremely easy to get. I completed 4 weapons to Physeos stage and I have 87 extra frosted protean crystals from Pagos. Just join any Cassie prep group and enjoy the light.
2- With how easy NMs to spawn now, crystals are easier to get also. In Hydatos, we literally pulled all the mobs that spawns Ceto (level 64) in one pull and killed them at the same time.


So the changes did affect the first two points. If you can kill mobs a lot quicker and NMs spawn rate increased, then your light gain and crystal gain already increases.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

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Well in theory you can solo 95% in Eureka entirely. If you only limit yourself to NMs that are 2 levels lower than your current level, and only mobs 1 level higher, you can do everything in all the zones up to Hydatos. That's because you can buy all the upgrade items of each boss from the Birdwatcher except for the NM Providance Watcher in Hydatos. But I'm pretty sure that in a future patch they will allow you to buy those items, so you'd be able to get your relic 100% solo.

Last Eureka area is terrible they really need to boost the crystals get from each nm by 3 times what they are now and add crystals to bunny fate. Last 3 days been in there whole time there was maybe max of 6 in there.

If they add crystals to the bunny fates that would completely destroy nm fates entirely. The bunny fates spawn way too fast in a single location and are way too easy even compared to the now easier nm fates.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

If they add crystals to the bunny fates that would completely destroy nm fates entirely. The bunny fates spawn way too fast in a single location and are way too easy even compared to the now easier nm fates.

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It's old, outdated content. Who cares if it's "easy" now?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It's old, outdated content. Who cares if it's "easy" now?

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Not every old and outdated content has to be made easy. Else they would have let us do Ultimate fights unsycned. Why not also ask to have all previous Savage loot including the mount be purchasable with Poetics?

The primary reason for bunny FATEs was never crystals. It was the rare items you get from it.

I have it a shot. Everything dies super fast now, though it's still a good idea to have Sustain Potions.

And Happy Bunnies are still huge jerks that won't give me my Eldthurs. :I

Guess other day when in Hydatos how many was in there whole time 2 me and one other so unless they give crystals at bunny fates don't ever see finishing my machinist weapon there. Pretty sure it be hard for just two people to kill and spawn NM's there. Who cares about it anymore no one hardly goes into eureka anymore. Hydatos next to have crystals boosts how it is.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Guess other day when in Hydatos how many was in there whole time 2 me and one other so unless they give crystals at bunny fates don't ever see finishing my machinist weapon there. Pretty sure it be hard for just two people to kill and spawn NM's there. Who cares about it anymore no one hardly goes into eureka anymore. Hydatos next to have crystals boosts how it is.

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Have you tried to solo spawn an NM? Because if you can kill a bunny FATE with two people, you can kill an NM easily. And that was pre 5.1.

Also, it seems that it's an issue with your data center that the zones are empty. On Aether we have at least one group spawning things in each zone on a daily basis. Especially NMs like Cassie and Ceto and the bosses of each zone.

I stopped Eureka after getting to lv19 and getting the relics I wanted in Anemos. I might have walked into Pagos once, but did nothing at all there after hearing how awful it was at release. If it really has been nerfed into the ground that much I may need to revisit that. I'd also be interested in eventually doing Baldesion Arsenal to get the Ozma mount, but I assume that content is even more dead at this point.

I went in as a WAR decked out in Kirin + Augmented Elemental Left side (+ wep) and Crafted 290 Right Side. Same set I used for BA.

Went into Pagos and was able to solo a Dragon with little issue. Basically earned 1/6 out of my light from just that alone. It's insanely broken with echo.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

I'd also be interested in eventually doing Baldesion Arsenal to get the Ozma mount, but I assume that content is even more dead at this point.

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Aether BA discord does a couple of runs each weekend from fragment farm runs to Ozma farm runs. A couple of new players got their mount last week.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

Went into Pagos and was able to solo a Dragon with little issue. Basically earned 1/6 out of my light from just that alone. It's insanely broken with echo.

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If it adapted, you'd get 25% of a bar. But I'd recommend getting a party of 3 and killing Morbols during Blizzard. You'd spawn Cassie and that's a full light bar, you'd gain bright and brilliant light, snow sprites can mutate and give exploding light if you time their kills every 5 chains, and you won't have to run from one dragon to another due to the abundance of Morbols in that area.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

If it adapted, you'd get 25% of a bar. But I'd recommend getting a party of 3 and killing Morbols during Blizzard. You'd spawn Cassie and that's a full light bar, you'd gain bright and brilliant light, snow sprites can mutate and give exploding light if you time their kills every 5 chains, and you won't have to run from one dragon to another due to the abundance of Morbols in that area.

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I had a couple adapt but the majority was just smaller consistent light. It's insane to know how far we've come from just a year and 8 months ago when Pagos first came out and the 8 man party comp was a requirement and even then the light gains were garbage.

I went in just as there were 10 or so people left so I'll try it again during prime time or so. I can only imagine Pyros and Hydatos are even more broke with the logograms being a thing in them.