Fellowships need some tuning up.

A few things I've noticed since the release of this idea.

1. Deleting messages just leaves a giant gap with nothing but a name and time left, can't even fully remove the message so you'll have blocks in the message system. Admins should be able to soft remove things like this and also hard remove, either allowing it to be deleted but leave the name in case it was someone that is worth blacklisting.... and hard deleting for mistakes and space sake of not leaving giant gaps in the board.

2. On the above note, allow people to click/right click messages to allow them to /tell or blacklist and etc options the player.

3. ADD A WORD SEARCH FUNCTION. Who's brilliant idea was it to leave it to just tags for the search function? I search for RP in the thing.... I get PAGES and PAGES of fellowships that are likely just made for the server or like 10 friends instead of ya know... the whole data center. Let me at least search by word so when someone tells me to join "blank fellowship" I can go into the finder and type in "blank fellowship" and find it. Not just rely on their invite or searching through hundreds of pages of fellowships. It's a bit counter productive to make a data center wide function and not allow that type of access from another world, instead that would force the player to search through every page or join the world an admin or the admin is on just to get invited to it.

4. Idk what causes it, but I think it's when multiple windows are open that when I invite someone, the error says "can't invite, too man crossworld linkshells". Firstly... it's not a linkshell, so why that error message... 2nd, how is that even an error when if I close the window, I can invite them np. Honestly this one confuses me but it's an issue.

5. A bit more space akin to what PF's allow would be nice. Don't need paragraph details but the room we currently have per message feels.... VERY short.

Anyways, what are your thoughts on this system other than barely anyone understands how to use them or that they even exist?

I'm not sure why they thought we needed this. Other than the group size and message board it really just looks like a party finder. I'm helping fc leader with a fellowship but I'm probably not really going to use it, just help moderate it.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

I'm not sure why they thought we needed this. Other than the group size and message board it really just looks like a party finder. I'm helping fc leader with a fellowship but I'm probably not really going to use it, just help moderate it.

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I mean it's another means to communicate data-centerwide, which we have very limited access as is being it only PF and limited space on crossworld linkshells.

You reminded me of another point, FC's should have this functionality already, a mini message board in FC's would make all these small random fellowships for FC's redundant. The whole point is to bring people together for a variety of activities across the whole data center and here people are with these small 24 person one's cluttering up the finder.

Another thing I realize... we could have added in a chat function linked to it. Not necessarily be able to have a chat for it, but say someone posts a message on the board, it's only gonna ever be viewed within that board. They should consider making a fellowship announcement chat so when someone posts on the board, it repeats it in the chatbox to people as an announcement. Kinda like the purple notices we get from SE. That way there's incentive to actually check the fellowship board and not just forget it even exists lol.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

I'm not sure why they thought we needed this. Other than the group size and message board it really just looks like a party finder. I'm helping fc leader with a fellowship but I'm probably not really going to use it, just help moderate it.

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This is a JPN thing, they will use it more than NA or EU.

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Originally Posted by Valic

3. ADD A WORD SEARCH FUNCTION.

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Agreed. I was genuinely shocked to discover this wasn't a feature.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

I'm not sure why they thought we needed this. Other than the group size and message board it really just looks like a party finder. I'm helping fc leader with a fellowship but I'm probably not really going to use it, just help moderate it.

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I really really like Fellowships actually. They just need tweaking to be more useful. the things OP mentioned being the biggest.

I agree, they definitely need a word search function.

I'm excited about them. Only time will tell but they seem to nicely fill the gap between joining a group for "right now" and committing to a FC. It's what I would have imagined linkshells were for in the first place but without organization tools they just don't accomplish it and I'm not going to complain about more options.

Wont last long without real time chat function. I get it that they don't want to undermine FCs, but we have linkshells and crossworld linkshells, so I don't see what's the point in limiting chat.

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Originally Posted by Valic

3. ADD A WORD SEARCH FUNCTION. Who's brilliant idea was it to leave it to just tags for the search function?

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this is baffling me too yesterday, trying to look for a certain fellowship but no search function. lol, what even is this
they should just increase the number of cwls participant.

As a Fellowship leader, can we please please please have a sort feature for Member list. It sucks when people ask to join a Cross World Linkshell and I need to scroll through the whole 300+ member list for 1 specific name. Let us sort by alphabetical order because it's getting super irritating.

Can we also get some more right click options from right clicking someones post on the Message Board?

https://i.imgur.com/fB3m00f.png

What we have right now.

But it would be super helpful if we could have the other right click options that you have on Member List like Invite to Linkshell, Invite to Cross World Linkshell, Group Settings, Send Friend Request, Kick from Fellowship, Appoint Fellowship Admin.

I'd like there to be a chat function as well, though I read that they purposefully excluded such a feature for whatever reason. The leader of my treasure map linkshell made a fellowship in hopes of maybe expanding, but since there's no way to "ping" people for map runs it's been for the most part useless in terms of communication. Some kind of notification feature for events would be nice too.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Wont last long without real time chat function. I get it that they don't want to undermine FCs, but we have linkshells and crossworld linkshells, so I don't see what's the point in limiting chat.

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The idea is that it isn't a chat. It's not something removed, reset, or scrolled up upon use that frequently. It's a message board, so people can check to see what's happening the moment they get online vs having to check 1-10 linkshells on something. Data center wide being the big catch. Just could use some improvements, like privilege settings for who gets to post in it and things I already mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Destati

I'd like there to be a chat function as well, though I read that they purposefully excluded such a feature for whatever reason. The leader of my treasure map linkshell made a fellowship in hopes of maybe expanding, but since there's no way to "ping" people for map runs it's been for the most part useless in terms of communication. Some kind of notification feature for events would be nice too.

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I mean, at that point it's pointless to add a chat. We already have linkshells and junk, the idea for it i to be something to post and people pay attention/check daily/weekly. The point is that it isn't a chat, that gives it more meaning to check on vs the chat that scrolls on by, gets filtered, and missed.. it's a permanent message vs a temporary one. If anything, I'd just like messages on the board to show up in the chat when posted, as a kinda "notice" for people. For a treasure hunting thing, it'd be useful to communicate between multiple worlds something akin to "Going treasure hunting this friday at 3 pm EST, ping me or Blank if you want in". Then people across all the servers may see it, throughout the week pm the person to join for that evening. The point of it is to be a long term planner, not a /tell or a linkshell with sound effects linked to it(which is indeed already a thing). The thing I mentioned prior would help with the concept though, a minor popup message in the chat that a new message is posted and what it says or something. I just certainly think making it into a chat, kinda defeats the whole point of being a message/notice board to host grand events beyond your server.

We've decided to keep the fellowship as a community forum, the polling feature is an easier way to get feedback on group events. Still not exactly what we were hoping for for. We would have liked to have an actual chat feature so would could combine 2 or more linkshells.

they need to merge Fellowship and Crossworld link shells

A notification when new posts are made would be fantastic. I joined some thinking it would be a good way to tell when events like hunt trains would be starting but unless I'm actively checking the menus for it it does me no good.

There definitely needs to be a better way to search for them. Right now there are pages and pages of fellowships that seem to have just been made as inside jokes for a few people or just for the creators amusement and going through all of them is way too tedious.

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Originally Posted by Rhais

There definitely needs to be a better way to search for them. Right now there are pages and pages of fellowships that seem to have just been made as inside jokes for a few people or just for the creators amusement and going through all of them is way to tedious.

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This especially. There's so many people making them for FC's or just server things despite already having linkshells for the exact things.

Helluuuuuu

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Originally Posted by Ssmiley_Bjakkzz

No idea how or what good use fellowship is for, all I see its just note lists on a search friend finder board with nothing much to say if not someone linked a discord that everyone to join.
What better different than making a general discussion thread for recruiting.
Am I missing out something?

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i also have no clue what fellowships are for. I opened it randomly this week bc i joined one and was wondering why i never see any notifications from it. am i just supposed to open it randomly to get updates? the one day i browsed the recruiting fellowships, it was mostly for people that wanted screenshots.

I discarded them yesterday I see no point in this, I will create cross link and put up on pf lol

Could somebody explain to me what it exactly is?


I opened it a few days ago but I just see random stuff with weird names and 1 member in it, but no real descriptions of why they created it and what it's for.

I saw a bigger one (quite a lot of members in it) named 'Eos Appreciation Society' but again here the description didn't really made much sense and I had no clue what it was about.
I also don't see anybody advertising their fellowship in Limsa or other cities.


So outside my static (where we do Ex (just to get the first kill and a couple of extra runs), Savage and Ultimate) I'm just running around alone. LS's never solved this, and again I didn't really knew much ones I just got 3 active hunt LS's. I thought fellowships might be great to help me find people where we could farm EX trials so I wouldn't need to suffer the 'clear for a friend moogle players' and just to find some friends to be able to do some roulettes with 'friend people'.
And just find people - friends, etc with similair interests.


So, what is fellowship and what is the purpose of it? It seems that what I thought it is isn't really correct.

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Originally Posted by kuma_aus

Can we also get some more right click options from right clicking someones post on the Message Board?

https://i.imgur.com/fB3m00f.png

What we have right now.

But it would be super helpful if we could have the other right click options that you have on Member List like Invite to Linkshell, Invite to Cross World Linkshell, Group Settings, Send Friend Request, Kick from Fellowship, Appoint Fellowship Admin.

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Does the blacklist just hide individual fellowships from showing when you're browsing? That will be useful for me, actually. I tried looking through the list and wanted an option to hide listings one-by-one - looks like it might have been there and I just missed it.


Edit: where is that blacklist setting? It doesn't seem to be in the finder menu.

I wish we got some sort of notification when a poll is opened or someone puts a message up on the board.

Bump, I've realized a few other features would be nice too, and I'm glad they somewhat fixed the crossworld linkshell invitation error bug.

6. An additional chat tab would be useful for the following features I have ideas for. It'd also be about time we finally get more than just the 4 damn tabs after all this time with so many chat tabs.

7. Adding an announcement fellowship function that let's posts be displayed in the chat when posted. It'd be a nice reminder instead of it being secluded to just the fellowship board, so when a new post is done, the chat can display the message for everyone as a reminder the feature even exists. Accordingly, add a post limit timer, say 30 seconds to a minute on the next time the same player can be allowed to post something as to prevent spam and trolls using it to chat.

8. While the error about inviting players and popping up the crossworld linkshell error was fixed, we still get errors inviting people while they're talking to NPC's. We don't get this error for any other invitation, so this will need to be something to be addressed, or at least have the error specify "cannot invite, player is in cutscene/talking to NPC" or something.

9. The sort function should have an admin sort function for those times an admin is abusing their powers and you need to find the player faster by putting all the admins at the top of the list. Also it would be nice to have customization of admin privileges, so you can set people to be allowed only to invite, but not to delete messages or kick players and etc. The resemblance to FC's is remarkably close, which brings me to my last point.

10. FC's should have this type of message board already implemented within their system. You could even use the current "short messages" you put on the FC board and then apply each one to a submenu or board below is that bumps each "short message" down a lil bit. This would provide the same utility fellowships give and be hardly that much more effort, and would remove all the useless FC only fellowships. There's no reason this shouldn't be a feature for FC's as is and should've been implemented prior to fellowships considering the scale of this idea is meant to go beyond our current limitations. We should perfect the current things we have before adding more gizmos and widgets to the equation.

Any other ideas I fully welcome, I still am not for the idea of adding a chat system to the fellowships, because that then defeats the purpose of them being different. Otherwise, the system is very useful and has a lot of potential.

I now own a fellowship of 1000 players. I gotta say, we could use some of these ideas and more. Maybe highlight posts made by admins and owners in different colors or allow them the option to post in different color backgrounds (nothing as an eyesore though, just maybe dark red or something with a border maybe to point out an important announcement or something to notice). As well as a purge kick button to anyone who hasn't either used the fellowship or actually even clicked in it recently within a set amount of time. A way for players to apply to be admins as well and heck, if we really wanna follow it being a true message board, give it a heart feature or something to show players like an announcement or receive it well.

Above all else though, we really need something to link to the chat as far as new posts from fellowships or announcements... so it's not just some sub menu that gets easily ignored.

PLEASEEEE ADD A SEARCH FUNCTION!!!

Today i got locked out of a fellowship because i couldn't for the life of me find it in the millions of pages...i couldnt search it by tag as TONS are already an 'RP ' tagged fellowship.
Was a little sad to hear them advertising, and actually being interested for once, only to have them fill with the 1000 member cap, all before I could find it in the list...

Real sad, please SE...add a better search feature for fellowships!

At first I thought it was a 1000 players social platform, but I realized later that there is no chat option. Seriously, who came up with this? A posting only platform? I know JP loves bulletin board, but that's why web browser exist. You might as well enable 1000 members cross world linkshell instead of this ancient relic that existed around the year of 2000.

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Originally Posted by MaiSuu

PLEASEEEE ADD A SEARCH FUNCTION!!!

Today i got locked out of a fellowship because i couldn't for the life of me find it in the millions of pages...i couldnt search it by tag as TONS are already an 'RP ' tagged fellowship.
Was a little sad to hear them advertising, and actually being interested for once, only to have them fill with the 1000 member cap, all before I could find it in the list...

Real sad, please SE...add a better search feature for fellowships!

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I think I know who you might be XD we might've talked briefly and it just had filled up. We're on like the 6th page if you even try to search RP tag, but also I'd been advertising this for a while too so /shrug. It's okay though, eventually it'll open up again, or SE can add a purging option lol. Don't worry, we'll get you in the Wandering RP'ers XD

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

At first I thought it was a 1000 players social platform, but I realized later that there is no chat option. Seriously, who came up with this? A posting only platform? I know JP loves bulletin board, but that's why web browser exist. You might as well enable 1000 members cross world linkshell instead of this ancient relic that existed around the year of 2000.

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Well having an in game bulletin board is kinda neater than having to rely on an external option. Not to mention that closes the gap between console and PC players a bit more nicely instead of having to find an "outside of the game" median. Personally I find this idea really interesting, while definitely in need of improvements.... is actually beneficial for reasons that chats aren't beneficial. Top reason being posts being a permanent mark allowing anyone who comes online to see so it's not just a lost chat log. It's not a bad idea, but the implementation needs a bit of polish imo.

I don’t get it. Most just link to discord’s that’s been made which is fine.
Those that don’t have nothing to offer. I’ve posted a message for specific content I’m doing in pf. Nobody joins. Not because they don’t want to but because unless they go into the fellowship page and look at messages posted they won’t even know I’ve atuck up a pf to join.

Apart from being a beacon to people who want to join a Ls or discord they themselves serve no purpose. Join fellowship, join ls or discord. Leave fellowship. Is basically it. It’s horrible and is missing so much that’s been mentioned already. I feel like whoever made these should be given the week off to reflect on how they failed this game

What are fellowships for? I just came back, saw them in game and couldn't tell how they were any different than PF.

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I don’t get it. Most just link to discord’s that’s been made which is fine.
Those that don’t have nothing to offer. I’ve posted a message for specific content I’m doing in pf. Nobody joins. Not because they don’t want to but because unless they go into the fellowship page and look at messages posted they won’t even know I’ve atuck up a pf to join.

Apart from being a beacon to people who want to join a Ls or discord they themselves serve no purpose. Join fellowship, join ls or discord. Leave fellowship. Is basically it. It’s horrible and is missing so much that’s been mentioned already. I feel like whoever made these should be given the week off to reflect on how they failed this game

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The problem is the lack of announcement notice, but otherwise the system is great. I notice the majority of people here don't quite understand how to use them by making these small 20-50 player fellowships or only 100 something on the same server. The point is it's DATA CENTER WIDE.... It's not a party finder, it's not a chat, we already have those. It's a notice board for up to 1000 players all around the game to meet up for social activities, hunts, pvp, and niche ideas without the aid of an outside program.

How I'm using mine, is to help players find random RP outside of the quicksands at any given time. So I made a template players have to follow to accomplish this, by posting a place, time, and a small icebreaker about their characters. This gives people some incentive to use them instead of disclosing everything in a chat and not even having to bother going over or talking to the person. Similar ideas could be used in things like Rival Wings pvp, just by posting "We're going to be hosting matches at blank time, on this day" and so on. It definitely needs improvement but as far as players saying it's useless, I think it's just the abundance of outside application use that people forget we have console players and PC players who don't have discord on their next tab and so on.

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Originally Posted by Nims

What are fellowships for? I just came back, saw them in game and couldn't tell how they were any different than PF.

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=FFXIV+Fellowships

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Originally Posted by Valic

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=FFXIV+Fellowships

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Yikes imagine being this passive aggressive and still going to social forums.

However that link still didn't answer my question :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nims

Yikes imagine being this passive aggressive and still going to social forums.

However that link still didn't answer my question :rolleyes:

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Imagine being this brain-dead that the first link didn't answer exactly what you just asked. Which was...

"What are fellowships for? I just came back, saw them in game and couldn't tell how they were any different than PF."

And the following link allowing you to use the search engine we've had for at least a decade now brings up a link that offers you this exact information...

"Fellowships is a social system introduced in Patch 5.1. It allows likeminded players to form casual communities similar to free companies and linkshells. Fellowships can accommodate up to 1,000 players. A single player can make or join up to 10 fellowships with no World restrictions so long as they're within the same data center. Fellowships can be accessed from the Fellowships menu under Social in the main menu."

Go.... figure... And hey, on that same page, if you just use that single brain cell just a bit more to its full potential... You'll see what they do, how, and what it offers too. It's almost as if we have this plethora of information available at our fingertips to research things when we have a question on something. I'm sorry if this is passive aggressive but at this point if you can't find your own question answered even when it's handed to you directly, you're probably better off not knowing.

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Originally Posted by Valic

A few things I've noticed since the release of this idea.

1. Deleting messages just leaves a giant gap with nothing but a name and time left, can't even fully remove the message so you'll have blocks in the message system. Admins should be able to soft remove things like this and also hard remove, either allowing it to be deleted but leave the name in case it was someone that is worth blacklisting.... and hard deleting for mistakes and space sake of not leaving giant gaps in the board.

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Years later and this is still annoying.

this post was made 5 years ago, u really think the devs care?

lol I forgot fellowships existed

I forgot Fellowships even exist due to the lack of support they've gotten, they just never had enough functionality to warrant a use case for me.