Viera Helmets in 5.1

[EDIT] Please keep in mind, we do not know the struggles Yoshi and his team are enduring for our benefit. The limited resources, the constraints Square-Enix puts on Yoshi's team, the constant development cycle, etc. Although it may be frustrating and discouraging to either hurl insults or just give up, please continue to provide encouraging suggestions instead of abusive criticism or giving up. Disappointments are absolutely understandable, but it's far easier to swallow sugar than vinegar, and most of all - these creators are humans too. We should treat each other with encouragement and respect. (I'm very much a perpetrator of a negative attitude and hope to change as well) Thanks for reading :)

I just wanted to say thank you to the devs for fitting the helmets to Viera. The clipping with the ears (ears just coming out of the hoods) honestly looks great. The whole reason I enjoy Viera is to see those giant ears! Please, do the rest of the hoods, cloth, and leather helmet pieces like this! The metal pieces might work too.

Also, please let the ears poke through the pumpkin heads again! The ears looked great and gave Viera a very-iera look ;D

PLEASE GIVE US OUR HELMETS! EAR CLIPPING IS CUTE AND WORKS!

Thanks :)

Also, just a sidenote, if helmets were more readily available for Viera, I wouldn't care much at all about the hairstyles. With helms covering hair, it would really vary up the vieras in game, so you know... we don't all look so similar >.>;

Are we ever going to see old helmets fitting on our vieras or not? It's kinda annoying not been able to use most helmets.

I don't care about most helmets but I'd love stuff like the songbird hat being fitted to Viera heads.

I'm just waiting until I can use my earned and purchased hair ...

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Originally Posted by Mei-Yisi

I'm just waiting until I can use my earned and purchased hair ...

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I have kind of given up on that ever happening, at least anytime soon. I could be surprised, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, viera can't wear at least half of the helmets from the new dungeon. If they aren't putting in the effort to make NEW gear work for them, I don't see them doing it for non-select pieces in the future. No hair options to compensate in the patch either. These races released half-baked and all indications point to them remaining that way.

Actually now before you fantasia your character there is a pop up message that states that certain races will not have hairstyles or hats/helmets be available and you have to press OK to continue. I think the future of the 2 new races are quite bleak now...

Looks like i'm going back to my miqote

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

Actually now before you fantasia your character there is a pop up message that states that certain races will not have hairstyles or hats/helmets be available and you have to press OK to continue. I think the future of the 2 new races are quite bleak now...

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Especially for RDM bunbuns.

I was recently looking at MMO's that have been shutdown in the past decade or so, because you know, being bummed out is super healthy!

I noticed a trend in a few of them (mainly the NCsoft owned MMOs):

1. Game developers make a MMO, MMO isn't as successful as WoW (b/c these games are wildly expensive to make and investors would like their investment + profits back on an unobtainable scale - WoW),
2. Game developer company tries to make new games to keep company profitable,
3. Publishing company doesn't purchase those games,
4. Game developing company loses money due to extra games not being bought,
5. Game developer studio gets studown due to becoming unprofitable - despite how profitable the original MMO was.

So why bring all this up? I think the fear of failure in the MMO business is extremely present despite the success of a game. Some studios are pretty big for their breeches b/c they haven't had the close call of that failure, ok - ONE studio and that is obviously Blizzard. Meanwhile, other studios have had very near-hit misses - Elder Scrolls Online, FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, Lord of the Rings Online, and I'm sure many others. I think, after a near-hit, the desire to take risks / overspend / overinvest becomes very unattractive.

Some games have pulled creative systems out of this fearful place (ESO / LotR have very intuitive payment models and game design) while others dig their heels into the ground and stick to what they know and do it very well (FFXIV / GW2).

I think the reason why we don't have Viera / Hrothgar Helms / Hairstyles is due to this very fear from Square-Enix. I'm positive Yoshi has asked for more resources to XIV, resources like Blizzard has, but SE is just too scared. If they divert their assets to XIV and it fails, it could possibly take down the entire company. That's exactly what almost happen to Arenanet this very year (and may also happen in the near future).

In the old days, if a game failed, it was just 1 game out of a series of games that could be changed / killed / propped up to keep the company successful. MMO's are such a massive beast of investment that this is no longer the case.

So, in requesting more from Yoshi, as frustrating as it feels as a player, I think it'd be good to keep in mind what he's dealing with / fighting for. I'm sure it would've been better for SE to not have any new races made at all. I'm positive Yoshi fought for us to have what we really wanted, even if it was flawed, better to give us something than nothing, despite what we may think. Just some food for thought / discussion :)

Btw, I still want and think helms and hairstyles / completed hrothgar / viera races should be implemented. I also think apathy is not the answer - completely quality content should always be encouraged. The standard of content should be upheld by customers. In the end, compared to Blizzard, yes Yoshi's team is the underdog, but they're a Japanese company. Where Americans are scrappers in a fight, Japanese seem to very much have an inner strength to persevere in incredibly daunting odds against them.

Time to go Ultra Instinct, Yoshi :)

I miss my Viera. They are pretty, but they are also pretty limited right now in their current state. The fact that the devs haven’t talked about the new races getting new hairstyles or purchased and in-game earned ones, with no recent talk about making more headgear wearable by them pretty much leaves me to believe they are in development hell with the rest of the summoner egis, more veteran rewards, and DNC/GNB primal glamor weapons.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

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Thank you for the post. ^^ Its nice to get detailed ones like this that try to bring understanding to what's happening with the game.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Thank you for the post. ^^ Its nice to get detailed ones like this that try to bring understanding to what's happening with the game.

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Thanks, I appreciate it. Like I said, the races are a major sore spot for me. Been playing since 1.0 and I've been waiting for Vieras since Yoshi took over and included them in the survey he did a long long time ago. To seem them presented in such an unfinished state is so disheartening. However, being a defeatist and an antagonist wouldn't make Lord Jesus Christ happy, and so it doesn't make me happy with myself. It really helps to take a second, a step back, and reassess things when I get so bummed out and frustrated. A lot of the times when I do that, I realize how I'm really the badguy in the story.

Of course, not trying to push that on anyone else. Still, I think it's worth a discussion or some thought if people are interested. Thanks again for taking the time to read it :)

If you can't afford to put a roof on the house, don't build the house.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

If you can't afford to put a roof on the house, don't build the house.

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I completely agree! Personally, a counterpoint I'd often use is, well it's their job. However, it's hard to really narrow the problem down to such a simple explanation. The MMO market is such a nasty and expensive field to do business in, at any moment the house of cards could fall. The alternative would really be to shutdown FFXIV. I don't think anyone wants that. So, they have to keep building additions to the house, but additions in case of expansions are again a gamble every time due to the expensive nature of the MMO system (servers, employee pay, designers, artists, travel for promotion, marketing, modellers, community reps and managers, etc etc). The expense is just... ridiculous. If we go along the terms of, well if you're going to risk your business, don't do it - then again... there would be no MMO's to date most likely.

So, I much prefer the other option, encouragement and upholding a standard for the devs to meet :)

There is one full helmet the Viera can wear the level 58 dwarf helmet with the beard.

Honestly Id just love a couple of good witch hats that let the ears through. Like, easy to get ones that you don't have to pay for. Glad theyre keeping it in mind at least. Its appreciated. ^^

Honestly if resources are an issue they should just consider asking the modder community for help in return for free gametime or crysta. No joke some of the stuff they have is really good not to mention some really nice original stuff that could be added to the game.

I heard that FF14 is one of their biggest moneymakers, but the money made is being siphoned off too much for other projects, leaving FF14 devs with not much to work with.
It's annoying, as Viera and Hrothgar feel so unfinished, and it's annoying seeing every new helmet not working for them.

I don't get why Viera ears clipping through headgear is such a stumbling block when Miqo'te ears and Au Ra horns have been doing it for years.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

[EDIT]I just wanted to say thank you to the devs for fitting the helmets to Viera.

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I sure do like those new worg hats. They are the absolute tippity-top, dapper cap to wear.

I started with Viera in Shadowbringers and switched back to Miqote halfway through the first quest line. Most of my favorite glamours have the hat more-or-less as one of my favorite pieces of glamours and not being able to see any of them is incredibly disappointing. I know I'm not alone when I say that working on and designing my glamour sets is one of my favorite side activities in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by CrazyAce

I started with Viera in Shadowbringers and switched back to Miqote halfway through the first quest line. Most of my favorite glamours have the hat more-or-less as one of my favorite pieces of glamours and not being able to see any of them is incredibly disappointing. I know I'm not alone when I say that working on and designing my glamour sets is one of my favorite side activities in FFXIV.

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I totally agree. I know there are a lot of people that prefer to see their character's head / hair, but I prefer to see a completed outfit on my character.. That goes without saying, includes the helmet that finalizes the look. Especially iconic af pieces.

Seeing how they did the little hat for the Neir raid, surely they can do that for the songbird hat and put it on the side of the hair.

It's one thing to not upgrade old content, it's another thing to release new content and NOT include all the races you added into the game.

All of this has been said before though so I guess I'm just adding myself to the number of extremely disappointed players in hopes that maybe they'll at least let us know if we should continue to expect the bare minimum in all future updates when it comes to completing these races.

I am so, so bummed that I cannot see the Shadow gear on my Viera. I was trying to create a "nun" aesthetic. :p

How come no ears peeking through? It's a dang hood; can we please wear them?

They did make it so Viera can wear the Nier raid headgear. When was a Viera for short time I could wear the aiming gear head piece from Nier raid.

Yeah, the nier gear works. I suspect it's because of the position of the small beret(?) thing. The hood works too, I think. At least they get some of that stuff..