Individual players shouldn't be allowed to purchase or relocate to Large plots.

It makes me incredibly livid. It\\'s clear that so many different forms of housing exist for different groups- smalls for the everyman, mediums for bigger groups and influential persons, and larges for communities. All that space in a Large- basement, separated upper floors, massive foyer- what does one person need all that space for? Nothing but vanity and proof that they can play the marketboards or grind too much.

A FC can use that space for so much. Aesthetics of a mixed group; workstations to benefit crafters; food for raids and content and more; buffs and other benefits; showcasing the achievements of the collective through special furniture; and more.

As a role player, on a roleplay server, who runs a roleplay community that works to engage the WHOLE of the server in learning and playing within the game\\'s unlimited creative potential, it hurts even more. So much space that can be used, in character and out of character- GONE because one person decided they need a monument to their vanity.

There\\'s only a handful of larges per ward. And you let the few who overwork the system snap it up and not give the community you say you care so much about half a chance, SE. You can do better than this.

FCs dont need larges anymore than individuals do. More space is just more slots for decorating and garden plots. If you want a large for your FC its best to go through the same channels as everyone else, I.E. purchasing a small and transferring over.

seriously, if you're going to run it like this don't bother pretending it's more fc friendly by locking it to fc purchases only while still allowing individual transfers. at least if the damn things were on general timed purchases you'd have a chance at getting lucky with the click lottery instead of getting boned because the client insists on kicking you all the way back to desktop every time it craps out on login or whatever

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

FCs dont need larges anymore than individuals do. More space is just more slots for decorating and garden plots. If you want a large for your FC its best to go through the same channels as everyone else, I.E. purchasing a small and transferring over.

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1) Slots are already limited. For those who can't even get a small, you can't transfer in anyway.
2) Transferring is a broken system that allows singular players to do this EXACT. THING. And screw other communities out of their chance in the first place.
3) A community of tens of people, up to over a hundred, deserves to have the chance to take advantage of benefits far more than one person and up to three of their friends, as they can accomplish far more (even just in theory) than a light party (at most).

So yes. I would say that FCs need the space more than individuals do. And deserve the CHANCE, at least, to get it, without needing to exploit a system that you already need to pray you can get into in the first place.

We seriously just need instanced housing at this point. Maybe the ability to upgrade apartments to bigger sizes and lock the houses to be FC only if we can't ever have enough houses.

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Originally Posted by Taedius

1) Slots are already limited. For those who can't even get a small, you can't transfer in anyway.
2) Transferring is a broken system that allows singular players to do this EXACT. THING. And screw other communities out of their chance in the first place.
3) A community of tens of people, up to over a hundred, deserves to have the chance to take advantage of benefits far more than one person and up to three of their friends, as they can accomplish far more (even just in theory) than a light party (at most).

So yes. I would say that FCs need the space more than individuals do. And deserve the CHANCE, at least, to get it, without needing to exploit a system that you already need to pray you can get into in the first place.

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1) yes. all plots are limited until square decides to make instanced housing. whats your point?

2) its a broken system because what? you couldnt take appropriate steps to use it like the individuals you're complaining about did? and refuse to use it now so you can be prepared for next time, even though tons of smalls opened up everywhere? Especially since as an FC, had you taken this route and had sufficient funds, you could have had multiple people out at the same time, increasing your chances more than the individual.

3) the benefits of...what exactly? garden plots? Highly doubtful the whole FC uses garden plots simply because cross breeding takes up a lot of time and slots. Itll be one or two people gardening regularly. FC buffs? you get the same buffs in a small as you do a large. decorating? most FCs, especially larger ones, dont let every member decorate at will. crafting stations? Virtually worthless after level 50.


You're salty because you had bad luck. Its unfortunate for you, but implying other players are vain and greedy bevause of it is uncalled for.

I'm going to have say the same about Instanced housing on this, reasons why, me and my friends worked hard for a large and we enter to get one noticing all have been taken. I'm tired of competing whit players to get online 1st to get a large house. They are happy, when we are not. I prefer Instance housing like SWTOR ( Star wars the old republic) You can get a small or medium or even mansion size home whit having a back yard to grow a little farm. Even FFXI you had a mog house whit a room and still can invite friends or LS members. I purchased a small house and I'm not satisfied whit it. Please create a personal instance for homes for everyone and even one for FC's. And the best examples of homes i recommend take a look at SWTOR and is a prime example of having good instance housing. I don't want to see my neighbor basting glory whit his large house it's depressing. I want to be happy whit my family and friends in a Large house we can enjoy in. Please SE get rid of this housing and make a personal housing so my family and friends can enjoy in our own Large mansion. I'm tired of competing whit other for this. Makes me upset that not everyone has the time as others do.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

The individual players have to put in the same amount of effort as the Fcs. One person doing the same amount of work as 5-10-500 members FC. We could say the individual deserves the plot more for all the hard work and sleepless nights, because he/she is severely disadvantaged. It's not just making the gil. It's also buying the plot. One player is one player clicking one plot. FC can have 500 players trying to buy 500 plots at once. Even with this said, housing is fair game.

Btw. the crafting statitions work till 70 and can be placed in FC rooms.

Why should personal players not be allowed to own large houses? Unlike FCs they also have to work for the huge amount of Gil all alone and if they have the amount why shouldnt they have one? (And we get even less for the house since the workshop is FC only) Getting a small or medium house still gives FC all the benefits and honestly why would they need a big one?

My old FC had a small one for a long time and we were around 20 people. Yet it never felt that small because we simply did not have everyone around all the time anyways. People can still buy their private rooms, you can still have your workshop and gardening plots. And if you really do FC events then you can still do them outside, you dont need to have it inside. So no I see no reason why large should only go to FCs and SE at least gives you the chance to get some housing with the restrictions for personal players.

Also if you restrict it to FC only, then please restrict it further. Only a FC with a really huge amount of people should ever get a large one. Because why should smaller FCs get it? What big difference is there between one player and maybe a FC with five?

And honestly even if it was purely for FC, people would just create fake FCs or you still might have lost it because there is simply not enough housing there for even just the FCs so there was a high chance that the large ones would go to another FC too.

Edit: Maybe that solo player is also into RP and knows a lot of people and thus opens up a "bar" with their mansion which then will used by a huge amount of people too?

Anyway I am quite happy that we can at least relocate and I am honest: Yes I got a large house for my personal use simply because I love housing and I have put a lot of hours into them and also used a lot of hard work to get the amount of GIl that I have today. I have logged into the game just like anyone else, made my plans on how to get there as fast as possible and simply got lucky. I would in a heartbeat give away that plot if we would finally get instanced housing and can have large ones there. But right now SE still is fixed on their idea of housing which includeds having people at least be able to relocate to have a chance while still giving FCs a bonus.

Why should I get personal housing? I worked all by myself to get the gil, I had to go in the same queue, patch the same game, and I've been preparing since the end of Stormblood for this. If anything I'm at a disadvantage lmao. I enjoy decorating houses and having a theme that doesn't look like roommates thrown in together haphazardly so the aesthetics argument of yours just comes down to personal taste.

1. If you have the whole of the server's rp community to run, you could easily negotiate with others to get a large house.
2. If you have that many people to run after (let's be generous and say 50 people) you could pay someone to give you their house if you really wanted to. I don't think 5 million per person is too much to ask for since it's a boon for the whole of your community.
3. You have over 20(?) people who can go around and get the house for you if you can't yourself, which is the root of your gripes I am guessing.
4. Whatever achievements you have, I have as well so I'd like to show them off :)
5. You claim that someone doesn't need all that space for themselves. So unless your people are going to fill the house to its maximum capacity or at least 75% of it at any given time like it's wall street for rp or something, the house serves the same purpose as it does to you as it does to me, an individual.
6. I have friends who come over too so I don't know why the fact that it's an individual house doesn't mean more than one person gets value out of it???

People like to argue that FC's/large groups of people should have priority because they have more people. So where are your people when housing drops? There's so many of you while there's one of me. Mathematically, the probability of a FC getting a house is much higher than an individual.

And a single player owning a large is a problem.. Why?

Because they have the gil to buy it? Work harder then.

Because they can keep an FC from getting it, despite the fact that FC accommodation doesn't change with house size? (Outside of maybe extra FC rooms.)

You realize that while people clamor for more housing, you get given it. But now, instead of being grateful for a temporary fix, you lash out at other people who have what you don't. You don't deserve, nor are you entitled to get anything any other player must work for. You want a large? Grow up and get one. Not cry that a single person beat your entire group into getting it.

What next, going to demand that personal home owners shouldn't be allowed to own anything but apartments? That they don't DESERVE to be in the Housing Wards to begin with? Yeah, good job. Let's just remove all of the personal housing from every player, regardless of when they got it and how much they paid.

Then all the plots will be FC-only, shame the FCs will become nonexistent without players behind a banner.

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And a single player owning a large is a problem.. Why?

Because they have the gil to buy it? Work harder then.

Because they can keep an FC from getting it, despite the fact that FC accommodation doesn't change with house size? (Outside of maybe extra FC rooms.)

You realize that while people clamor for more housing, you get given it. But now, instead of being grateful for a temporary fix, you lash out at other people who have what you don't. You don't deserve, nor are you entitled to get anything any other player must work for. You want a large? Grow up and get one. Not cry that a single person beat your entire group into getting it.

What next, going to demand that personal home owners shouldn't be allowed to own anything but apartments? That they don't DESERVE to be in the Housing Wards to begin with? Yeah, good job. Let's just remove all of the personal housing from every player, regardless of when they got it and how much they paid.

Then all the plots will be FC-only, shame the FCs will become nonexistent without players behind a banner.

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All you've done is berate people who are upset over this Kenky. Get over yourself. 'Work harder'? Like they have any control over:

1. Farming for MONTHS to get the gil in preparation
2. Plan and plot out how they're going to get there as fast as possible the second servers go live and THEN:

SERVER LOBBY ERROR 3 TIMES IN A ROW. BY THE TIME YOU GET IN THEY'RE ALL GONE!!!

Right. Work harder really fixes that problem. Genius.

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All you've done is berate people who are upset over this Kenky. Get over yourself. 'Work harder'? Like they have any control over:

1. Farming for MONTHS to get the gil in preparation
2. Plan and plot out how they're going to get there as fast as possible the second servers go live and THEN:

SERVER LOBBY ERROR 3 TIMES IN A ROW. BY THE TIME YOU GET IN THEY'RE ALL GONE!!!

Right. Work harder really fixes that problem. Genius.

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1. Farming for MONTHS to get gil? You're certainly farming wrong if it's taking you months to make a noticable amount of change.
2. You've heard of logging out at the placard, right? The thing most sensible people do when they're camping plots?

As for Server Lobby Error. That's on your end and that, in of itself, is a very minor issue. Hundreds of thousands on, yet only barely triple-digits affected by an issue that is fixed by a restart of the client. But I suppose you couldn't much care about that.

There is no rhyme nor reason to be upset that another player got a large, instead of them. Once again, proving that our "responsible, adult community" sure ain't as adult as people are lead to believe. Responsibility is non-existent to boot.

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Originally Posted by Alynn

Why should I get personal housing? I worked all by myself to get the gil, I had to go in the same queue, patch the same game, and I've been preparing since the end of Stormblood for this. If anything I'm at a disadvantage lmao. I enjoy decorating houses and having a theme that doesn't look like roommates thrown in together haphazardly so the aesthetics argument of yours just comes down to personal taste.

1. If you have the whole of the server's rp community to run, you could easily negotiate with others to get a large house.
2. If you have that many people to run after (let's be generous and say 50 people) you could pay someone to give you their house if you really wanted to. I don't think 5 million per person is too much to ask for since it's a boon for the whole of your community.
3. You have over 20(?) people who can go around and get the house for you if you can't yourself, which is the root of your gripes I am guessing.
4. Whatever achievements you have, I have as well so I'd like to show them off :)
5. You claim that someone doesn't need all that space for themselves. So unless your people are going to fill the house to its maximum capacity or at least 75% of it at any given time like it's wall street for rp or something, the house serves the same purpose as it does to you as it does to me, an individual.
6. I have friends who come over too so I don't know why the fact that it's an individual house doesn't mean more than one person gets value out of it???

People like to argue that FC's/large groups of people should have priority because they have more people. So where are your people when housing drops? There's so many of you while there's one of me. Mathematically, the probability of a FC getting a house is much higher than an individual.

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Preach sister!

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1. Farming for MONTHS to get gil? You're certainly farming wrong if it's taking you months to make a noticable amount of change.
2. You've heard of logging out at the placard, right? The thing most sensible people do when they're camping plots?

As for Server Lobby Error. That's on your end and that, in of itself, is a very minor issue. Hundreds of thousands on, yet only barely triple-digits affected by an issue that is fixed by a restart of the client. But I suppose you couldn't much care about that.

There is no rhyme nor reason to be upset that another player got a large, instead of them. Once again, proving that our "responsible, adult community" sure ain't as adult as people are lead to believe. Responsibility is non-existent to boot.

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Lobby server affected many - those who did get in were lucky, but it's not a player issue when it happened to so many.

You couldn't log out at the placards because the new wards didn't exist.
50~m can take a little to raise; months (2+) is reasonable, depending on the size of the FC / play time available etc.

I get what you're trying to say Kenky, but I feel like you're being needlessly abrasive.

I can sympathize with your dilemma but I have seen many individuals make better use of their Large plots than FCs do. Many individuals are active at their Large plots and most tend to be some form of crafter meaning they get really good use of the market boards which tend to be fairly close by.

I personally recently downgraded from a Large to a Medium with the 5.1 release because its abit daunting having a massive house to yourself, I had fully furnished my previous Large and was active but it still felt strange.

Point being while I believe that FCs should have first shot at Larges seeing as they tend to have more people in them and most FCs tend to make good use of the Large plots it doesn't mean individuals should be entirely locked out of purchasing Large plots. What SE could have done with this most recent batch of housing is locked Large plots to FCs only (including relocations so that only FCs can relocate into the Large plots) and open to the public a day later though I'm not sure they are able to code relocations to work that way.

Typically, the people who complain about individual players having large mansions are one's who can't afford one. I bought mine about 3 years ago because... well, because I WANTED IT! Was it ego? Partially, yes, and I don't apologize for that. But it was MORE for the 3 garden plots that a master crafter needs. And on a strictly "need the space" basis, an FC CAN function just fine with a SMALL plot, but the larger houses give more "cred". And it's not about how much space you need, it's about what you want and can afford... just like in real life.

As a player that crafts a lot, I probably spend more time at my house than most FC players.

Me getting a house had nothing to do with vanity. I did the home is where the heart is quest when I was just a new sprout, and I said I'm getting one of these one day, and made it a goal. If I set a goal, and raised the money why should I not have to same chance to get the house I want? FCs aren't the only ones that have things from the game they want to display. I've crafted every miniature, every stuffed item, every wall mounted item, etc possible, and I have them displayed around my house. Something I could never do in a smaller house.

I spend time in my house every time I log into the game. Can the same be said about all FC members? Most of the time the people who raised the money for the FC to buy the house, put the most work in the raise the FC level, craft wheels, and make ships are the same type of people you're crying about. It's fine when they do it for a FC, but if you do the same work as an individual to accomplish a goal you're being vain?

I understand people are mad they didn't get the house they wanted. But every time I see one of these FC entitlement threads I just shake my head.

It's unfair for everyone in this game. FFXIV housing needs to be improved by instance, so everyone can enjoy their own hard work to get a large. Bigger is better i say. Working your ass off in game to get what you want and then can't get because of the server kicking us out or what not and then to compete whit others who get lucky and get the house we wanted. This is a big disadvantage for many players and very depressing to the matter. I say people need to speak up their opinions to the developers and say. " This is the problem whit housing." I'm not satisfied whit having a small house and whit poor view. I don't care to see my neighbor, I care to get my hard work done to get a large house that I want. No more camping for housing to sell, No more sleepless nights trying to get your house and then you lose to get it. This ain't fun and not helping me enjoy the rest of the content of the game. Please help FFXIV developers.:(

why does everyone think having them locked to FC will fix things the people who buy individuals will just make their own fc and buy it its not like they cant afford it if its suddenly a fc house just accept you where no't fast enough to get a house.

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why does everyone think having them locked to FC will fix things the people who buy individuals will just make their own fc and buy it its not like they cant afford it if its suddenly a fc house just accept you where no't fast enough to get a house.

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True, it's just going to penalize newer players who don't know how/don't want to bypass the system with making dummy FCs. (I own a small in Shirogane, but I'm aware that the current system is unfair and two-tiered toward new players)

I don't think it is fair to fault individuals seeking larger plots because they can get them. Ultimately--SE makes the rules and players have to abide by the rules. And the rules used to be far, far worse and tilted towards individuals--when you could buy a house on every character on every account, and many were doing this specifically to flip the houses for some ungodly price. SE has taken a step to try to provide FCs an advantage with the new rules and it has definitely curbed a substantial part of the house reselling market (I know though it isn't dead).

SE has made it so that it is not easy, almost impossible, for new players seeking personal housing to get mediums / larges without first getting a small first, and to do that you have to play placard savage which is brutal. I got my small a year and a half ago playing placard savage for a junky little plot in Goblet. And it was all because someday I knew that if I wanted a medium in Shirogane, I had to get a small first. After several housing rounds where my client crashed or I got a lobby error trying to get on, I finally got it this time. To be clear, I have been preparing to buy (and failing) to get this house until today since Heavensward.

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It makes me incredibly livid. It\\'s clear that so many different forms of housing exist for different groups- smalls for the everyman, mediums for bigger groups and influential persons...

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Who decides who the 'influential persons' are? The community? Popularity? The OP seems to suggest that actually certain people are due larger houses but the reason why is unclear...

Ultimately, though, SE builds the system and they built it to support personal housing. I don't know why they built it in such a way so that it directly competes with Free Company housing. I have felt that was a mistake since the day they brought in personal housing. But you really can't fault people for playing by the rules. Honestly, I'm not sure why they haven't made new types of wards where there are just more mediums/larges and less smalls since that is what people clearly want more of.

I couldn't care less if a large house is given to an FC or a private individual. What really grinds my gear are the sheer amount of large houses that have on FC chest, three NPCs and a summoner bell and are empty.

Most privates who grab a large actually decorate it while most FCs I know who grabbed a large, put in three chairs, some NPCs and leave it be. I rather have large seeing in the hands of an individual who cares than an FC who just takes it because "larges should be for FCs".

I owned a large for quite some time for my personal use, decorated it and rearranged events around it. I eventually moved back to a medium plot because I felt like it has a better items / size ratio.

I know people who own larges as private and they are doing a great job with decorating and are really enjoying the place given.

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why does everyone think having them locked to FC will fix things the people who buy individuals will just make their own fc and buy it its not like they cant afford it if its suddenly a fc house just accept you where no't fast enough to get a house.

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Not only that but since the amount of large houses is really small, there might have still been a big chance that the FC would not have gotten it and instead of losing out to a personal player they would have lost it to another FC...then probably go around, look at the amount of people in that FC and complain that they are smaller thus have no rights for those large ones.

As long as there are more FCs than plots and more people than plots you will always have those that lose. And I fully understand that this is horrible and frustating. But SE at least changed it so that next to relocation FC can at least have the first chance at housing, even if its mostly just small houses. But at least you got one. Until Se finally understands that their system is just bad, especially with more and more people playing the game, you will always have those that will lose. Just dont try to put the blame on the players..we did not create this system..and if those that buy it at least use them then that should be in their rights...be angry at SE for giving us such a horrible system that would still be horrible if its FC only..also be angry at those people that buy whole wards of housing..not at one player owning one plot.

(Also on Moogle when I looked at the Mist district, most of the large ones went to FCs)

All i have to say is ask developers to change the housing problem to be a private instance. Like have an fc travel to their own FC large house and chill and do what not. Many and i mean many players don't care to see their neighbor. just have 3 NPC's out to buy a small or medium or large for whatever they want in what ever nation they chose to be. No more competing whit getting a house or camping hours and lose sleep for a house. It's ridiculous and not fun, a complete waste of in game time content.

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Nothing but vanity and proof that they can play the marketboards or grind too much.

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Housing in a nutshell, stop getting emotional about it, we're supposed to be bill-paying adults for crying out loud...

TBH we have instanced housing currently. It's called an Apartment. The house interiors are technically instances as well. So screaming "Instanced housing fix all problems" doesnt really amount to anything. Rebuilding housing so that you have a house in your own little island world would require a considerable amount of resources I feel would be better spent elsewhere on the game itself. Not to mention doing so would then start complaints that people have to go into the instance to see it so it makes it too hard to show off your house.

I feel like part of the complaint is people feel entitled to getting larger plots. They aren't satisfied with the small ones. I looked around housing after the update and there were small plots available everywhere on Ultros.

IMO one of the things I feel contributing to the issue is the prices on the plots are outdated. Back when housing was introduced it took considerable effort to get the gil needed to buy a plot. Especially the large ones. Now however getting the gil for a small is trivial for an individual at best and the larger ones aren't that much harder unless you have poor finance management skills.

A random idea that crossed my mind earlier more out of humor was gated wards. Say have a ward that had nothing but large plots. However those plots had a price tag of say 1 billion Gil minumum because it is the gated rich people community.

In the end a majority of the complainers I see about housing to me feel like they're trying to shift blame for them not having the house or plot they wanted either through bad luck or because its a result of their own lack of effort. And the whole argument of your FC "deserving" the large plot more than an individual comes off as saying your social group deserves that mansion in Beverly Hills more than that single millionare who only spends about 2 months of the year in it because he travels around the world all the time on business.

I'd also joked around saying they should add housing to Ishgard and change it up a bit to be a craftsmen centered housing area where players actually have to build their home instead of being able to just buy stuff to put on the land. Which I'm sure would create lots of complaints as well but at this point it seems people are going to cry and complain about anything so lets go ahead and just make a new ocean with all the tears.

Ah another I own a FC and am entitled post. Individuals have the same right to a property then your fc you can do everything you need with a small deal with it and compete with everyone else like we all have to do.

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It makes me incredibly livid. It\\'s clear that so many different forms of housing exist for different groups- smalls for the everyman, mediums for bigger groups and influential persons, and larges for communities. All that space in a Large- basement, separated upper floors, massive foyer- what does one person need all that space for? Nothing but vanity and proof that they can play the marketboards or grind too much.

A FC can use that space for so much. Aesthetics of a mixed group; workstations to benefit crafters; food for raids and content and more; buffs and other benefits; showcasing the achievements of the collective through special furniture; and more.

As a role player, on a roleplay server, who runs a roleplay community that works to engage the WHOLE of the server in learning and playing within the game\\'s unlimited creative potential, it hurts even more. So much space that can be used, in character and out of character- GONE because one person decided they need a monument to their vanity.

There\\'s only a handful of larges per ward. And you let the few who overwork the system snap it up and not give the community you say you care so much about half a chance, SE. You can do better than this.

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To reply to the part in bold. Having recently relocated form my small private house to a large mansion, I can say it is most definitely not a monument to my vanity! An FC can have multiple people scouting for houses at all hours, I was looking around at regular intervals myself for the plots. Not only that my FC members helped me get my 2nd small plot in shirogane since I was 700k short, then my move to this newest plot is ALSO only made possible because my FC helped me fund it. I didn't grind myself to death or play the market, no issue with doing it tho! It does make me some money! If my large house is anything it is a monument to how freakin' great my FC members are to have helped me so much! I am so very happy because of their help. Now I'm excitedly leveling my gatherer's and crafters to fill this thing with furniture!

FC's shouldn't have any priority over anyone. A small might feel cramped for an fc with a LOT of active members but you, unlike me, have more people awake and online more of the time to check wards for these houses. Jus advocate for instanced housing so MORE people can have access instead of trying to disparage people and take things away from them :)

I read this thread often and feel for those looking to get their dream homes but maybe my experience can help give some context as to why everyone deserves a shot at whatever plot they want. I am on Adamantoise: a sleepier server then most.

I have been playing since 2.3 (2014). I was poor and couldn't afford housing at the time. Around 3.1 I saved enough to buy my first small. It was one of the most unpopular smalls in the Goblet but I was so excited! Decorating the space remains one of my favorite things to do but I quickly realized I would need to craft in order to avoid the high pricing on the market board for furnishings. I then get to work leveling all crafters to 60. I long and arduous process in 3.1. But the excitement of crafting my own furniture enhanced my housing experience even more! I fell in love with the crafting and home owning. The hard work and long (and I do mean long) hours of crafting/gathering/leveling in 2015 seemed a worthwhile trade off for the experience of owning and decorating my own home in FF XIV.

Then, I had to unsub for a period and lost my gil, my house and all of my furnishings to the first round of auto demo and my failure to access the housing retainer in the Goblet within the time limit. I was heartbroken. All my hard work; lost. I even reached out to a GM to help recoup my lost funds and learned quickly that this is one of those things that I was not going to get recouped (money/home/furnishings). I did continue to work, craft and make money off of the more difficult crafts of 3.3 - 3.5 while hawking the residential areas for my next shot at a small. This is also around the time when I brought some buddies over from Destiny 1 and started our FC.

For months I searched for a home with no opening in sight when finally, a small in the goblet opened and I bought it for my FC, not myself. I was happy that I found a spot for me to enjoy and my buddies too! I still kept an eye out for my own place during this time, diligently hawking every ward for a place.

Around 3.4, I my hawking, crafting and luck paid off and I found a small in the mist: the equivalent to Shirogane at the time. So now I had both an FC house and a private home that I earned by hard work, research and preparation. I continued to craft and made lots of money from the hours and hours of crafting I did with a good friend. I was able to swap upgrade both FC and Private to Houses during this time; a time when relocation wasn't an option.

A Time Pre Relocation: The process of upgrading homes at this time was insane! you had to be lucky enough to find the plot you want, then port to your house and decide (in seconds) if it was worth pulling apart the masterpiece layout you spent months working on and REMOVE EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE from both in and outside, DEMOLISH your own home and pray to Minfilia that you got to the new plot before someone else bought it (and your old plot) in the process. It was anxiety producing! I followed this process a few times until I had a beachfront medium in Mist and A Medium in the Goblet. I stayed here until the new housing opened in 4.2. Keep in mind this spans the time of about 4 years since I began my housing game in FF14.

How I got my first Large in 4.2: Four years of housing knowledge afforded me and one of my friends a few things: we knew the best plots, we knew the competition on our server (which we never left because its our home) and we knew to mitigate our expectations upon release. We plotted a course to our plots and had a plan in place for the morning of release. The moment of getting our large plots was the culmination of YEARS of work ,HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay, preparation, crafting and getting to know the Adamantoise community by two people who love the housing system and the elements of the game it enhances. Our first larges were dreams fulfilled from 2014 when it was impossible to get a Large for us too. The OP is correct in thinking these are trophies: they are trophies: to the hard work we put into gameplay we love.

So the reason for this long post is to share that, as a person who now owns two Larges (one for my FC and one Private), it is not something that was in anyway easy to accomplish. It required a dedication to the game that goes beyond a collection of long, intense hours of placard spamming experienced by newer house hunters : It required YEARS of patience and realistic expectations. While I do not enjoy that the current system upsets so many people I know it would be a travesty to ignore the players who have put an effort into home owner ship simply because it suits those joining the housing game post 2016.

I should point out: I know there are others far smarter and better at this game than I am who can suggest far easier paths to large homes :-) so this post is not written as a guide or a suggestion on how to get your homes. I wrote this to illustrate the path I took; one that I have enjoyed immensely.

That being said: This system isn't broken. It is designed to be a long process and I must say, if it weren't for this long process, I would not have met the some of my friends and never would have the made all those memories of crafting and hunting and all night hangouts on Mumble and Teamspeak. Those were great times! I wouldn't have been introduced to crafting and fallen in love with that too. As much as it pains me to see people upset, I appreciate this system and all of the amazing trumps and experiences it has afforded me in the process.

So I do not agree that Larges, or any other sized plot, should be limited to anyone. Everyone who wants one, regardless of playtime or sub time should have access to these plots. Just be aware that the people who have put in the time to learn how to navigate and benefit from these systems are the ones who are going to get them first.

Garret Strongstaff - Adamantoise

While i whole heartly hate the system we have right now with the buying (even thought i finaly was able to get a small plot) the fact that single players can get a large plot is a non issue for me (and i never plan to have one ) yes there are FC´s that would actively use a large plot but most i saw were pretty barren and even ours is often pretty empty even when we have 20+ people online so why should only FC´s have their vanity plot?

Best FC Houses i saw were mostly small plots with full guild appartments where the lead would creat RP fitting rooms with their mains/alts

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So the reason for this long post is to share that, as a person who now owns two Larges (one for my FC and one Private), it is not something that was in anyway easy to accomplish. It required a dedication to the game that goes beyond a collection of long, intense hours of placard spamming experienced by newer house hunters : It required YEARS of patience and realistic expectations. While I do not enjoy that the current system upsets so many people I know it would be a travesty to ignore the players who have put an effort into home owner ship simply because it suits those joining the housing game post 2016.

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(Totally not singling you out, I just wanted to piggyback onto your post and share my experience)

For me, it was just obscene amounts of luck; even grinding gil for 2 larges wasn't hard - I spammed retainer ventures while I studied and that's it. It did take a few months, but that's understandable because I wasn't actively farming.
My first large I obtained when the house randomly demolished in Gridania, so I transferred to it with zero competition. My second (for my FC), I obtained this patch though I did not have a house for my FC previously. I logged in next to Ul'dah's aetheryte, zoned into a residential district and made my way to plot 30. From there I just hit purchase, and boom - mansion.

There was no large-scale effort, hours-upon-hours of placard-spamming, blood/sweat/tears etc. At the absolute most, I logged into The Goblet once before the patch and spent about 2 minutes writing down the 6 plots I would have wanted and their closest aetherytes. I didn't do multiple runs and time myself running to them etc., I was super casual about it. Both of the houses I obtained without the help of others.

That being said, as someone who has arguably benefited from this system more than others, I still think the system is horribly broken. I believe that people should be able to get the plots they want if they desire them. I'm not saying to give them to them for free; make it grindy, make it "work", make it whatever, but I believe that people should be able to put some effort in and get some reward from it otherwise it just feels kinda futile. The current system isn't fair - there's not enough homes to go around for those that want them, small or otherwise. As soon as the moratorium is lifted you can bet that the wards, even the Goblet are going to be fit to bursting again, and we'll have more people endlessly spamming placards if a house gets emptied.

I have seen people argue that players should manage their expectations and just "grab any small that comes up, stop waiting for a large to open" etc., but a lot of these players are having trouble even grabbing just any old plot. On Hyperion, when a house plot opens, you can guarantee that there will be many campers there within minutes and they will stay for the entire duration of the timer spamming the placard legitimately, or others using the assistance of macros/bots. The current housing system feels a lot less like Animal Crossing and more like Battle Royale - Terrible analogy, I know (Nook can be brutal, but whatever).

I'll always be an advocate for instanced housing as a solution - have it coexist with wards and implement it in a way that you still get the neighborhood feel; revamp apartments so that they're a viable substitution - make them upgradable, allow them to be purchased by FCs with the options of having additional chambers added. Maybe add purchasable gardens, kinda in the same way that we have purchasable workshops etc. - it's really up to SE to figure out though as they know far more than we of their server limitations and whatnot. Currently, apartments are not a viable option as they lack a lot of the functionality that even a small non-fc house has.

Tl;dr - Housing bad, effort required to gain houses is greatly disproportionate and focuses more on luck than actual work, which is no bueno.

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1) Slots are already limited. For those who can't even get a small, you can't transfer in anyway.
2) Transferring is a broken system that allows singular players to do this EXACT. THING. And screw other communities out of their chance in the first place.
3) A community of tens of people, up to over a hundred, deserves to have the chance to take advantage of benefits far more than one person and up to three of their friends, as they can accomplish far more (even just in theory) than a light party (at most).

So yes. I would say that FCs need the space more than individuals do. And deserve the CHANCE, at least, to get it, without needing to exploit a system that you already need to pray you can get into in the first place.

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You do have a chance to get it, one could argue a larger group of people have more of a chance to get it. Stop being jealous of hard work.

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How I got my first Large in 4.2:

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Wasn't it 4.2 that got not only Shirogane, but added wards to the other residential areas as well? I'd say that helped a lot and was more in your favor. I get what you're saying, though. It still came down to being in the right place at the right time, researching and a bit of luck.

I think instances housing is a dumb idea to me imo.
For one, everybody will just buy a large house, two it kills the whole neighborhood feeling and instead we get a lonely space to ourselves nobody will even see unless they know you and teleports to your house.

I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

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I think instances housing is a dumb idea to me imo.
For one, everybody will just buy a large house, two it kills the whole neighborhood feeling and instead we get a lonely space to ourselves nobody will even see unless they know you and teleports to your house.

I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

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Yeah, that "dead" neighborhood feeling, wow, nothing like it hehe. My ward is always a ghost town so that doesn't wash with me.

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Yeah, that "dead" neighborhood feeling, wow, nothing like it hehe. My ward is always a ghost town so that doesn't wash with me.

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Same - I'm in the Goblet and the Lavender Beds. I have seen 0 people in the Goblet, and I see 1 person in the Lavender Beds maybe 3 times a year; it's always the same person. Even when I walk through Shiro, there's nobody there. People are either inside the house or doing other things away from the house. The wards are absolutely not as bustling as some people like to claim.

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You do have a chance to get it, one could argue a larger group of people have more of a chance to get it. Stop being jealous of hard work.

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It's an obscene amount of luck and nothing more - I say this as someone with a personal and FC home. I did not work hard to raise millions for my first home, nor did I work hard to camp when the new wards opened. I was just lucky to find the plots open and with no campers.

On Hyperion, the moment a house gets demolished, there's 10+ people there. Some are legitimately clicking furiously, others are using bots/macros (you can spot the bot users because they will keep clicking the placard after purchasing the house). Farming gil in this game isn't hard work, scouting plots isn't really hard work either, and neither is being lucky enough to beat someone else in a click-fest spam.

Hard work is great if there's some kind of light at the end of the tunnel. If only hard work did pay off in the end...right? Except, chances are that it won't - there are a finite number of houses, and many FCs & people will go without simply due to lack of supply. Once the moratorium ends, all of the currently vacant plots will get snatched up again and we'll be back to where we were.
We'll have a system that once again favors the lucky few, and nothing more.

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I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

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On Hyperion, very few homes open up. It's quite common to see only one available across all housing districts/wards/subdivisions/yougetthepicture. People without homes aren't waiting for their dream plot to magically open up; they are unable to even get a burner plot to hold onto so that they can relocate in the future. When you have 20 campers in The Goblet for a small, you know it's dire lol. Not counting the present home situation in the new wards because only FCs can buy them... but once things settle down after the moratorium is lifted, we'll be back to maybe one house/day waiting to be bought D:
[At the time of this post, there were only 2 houses available that players could buy (not FCs) - they are both in the Goblet, with 5+campers at each]

I worked my ass off to purchase a Large House, who are you to tell me that I "have to much time on my hands" and shouldnt be allowed to purchase a L plot? (your not my real dad!) Yesterday I had someone coming to me telling me to relocate to a smaller plot since I "dont use the basement" (400/400 furniture, not my fault we cant place more)

I got my L house BEFORE we were able to relocate and L Houses werent as "cheap" as 50mil. I owned and deserve my house and since I still exists after all these years it shows I use my house, nobody has the right to tell anyone you shouldnt be allowed to purchase a L house as a private person.

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I spend time in my house every time I log into the game. Can the same be said about all FC members? Most of the time the people who raised the money for the FC to buy the house, put the most work in the raise the FC level, craft wheels, and make ships are the same type of people you're crying about.

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I have a large personal, medium house on my active FC (that I was asked specifically not to upgrade to a large) and 2 large houses for alt FC's. I spend more time in each on a daily basis than anyone else has spent in all of them combined in the last year.

Most of it comes down to fc houses in 14 being terrible at being hubs. You can hang out there to take photos, have an event or two and then... it has nothing to offer you cant get elsewhere.

My apartment in SWTOR is a better guild house than any FC house in 14, because one has a market board, bank, guild bank and every relevant vendor you need, and one doesnt.