Let me start off my rant by saying; I don't want/care about/need your advice because I know I'm doing it right. I don't want to hear how successful you are, how easy it is for you and how the whole world is just perfection from your mountain-top. I am quite ready to punch a BABY right now, don't even think for a second I won't be coming after you!
As for the rant itself; WTF IS WRONG WITH CRAFTING?!
I have a level 8 blacksmith and I was leveling up on Iron Ore-to-Ingots (level 13 synth) and everything was fine and great! 100+ Quality a synth and 1,500-2000XP per synth.
What's to bitch about? I'm level 11 now and have botched 6 attempts so far, can't get over 50 quality and when I do succeed it's only worth 300 f%#^ing XP.
MEAH! R U WEARS EQUIPS!?1 MEAH! What equipment at level 11? Why didn't I need any 3 levels ago?
WHY WHY WHY!
If this makes sense to any of you, then craft me a f$@^ing portal back to reality because this is obviously assbackwards world and I won't succeed well here.
Raaaaaage!!
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03-24-2012, 11:34 PMLyniaerRaaaaaage!!
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03-24-2012, 11:48 PMMyrhn
there is something in the patch note that if you do the same synth for a prolong time you will start to failing it and won't be able to do it.
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03-24-2012, 11:52 PMEldaena
HQ ores vs NQ ores?
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03-24-2012, 11:52 PMLyniaer
What?! Why?! Why do that?! Repetition compounds success, not hinder it! That is utterly and completely backwards, pointless and stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Where's the executive who came up with that idea? I want to waterboard that person. Waterboard!
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03-24-2012, 11:54 PMEldaenaNo it says if you do a specific number of synthesis in a row, it will stop you from crafting. It will literally pull you out of the crafting stance. You don't suddenly just start failing synths. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
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03-25-2012, 12:40 AMTheVedismaybe you need repairs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
no seriously, calm the F down, you cant always succeed and we all go through these wierd dry spells, they counteract the super good ones we get where we get everything done easily -
03-25-2012, 01:17 AMKioteIt's to prevent people from auto-crafting. No rewards for people who are not actually playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
Thought i think you just have to stand up. -
03-25-2012, 02:03 AMLyniaer
Eldaena is right. It pulls you out of the synth after...150? Some incredibly reach-for-the-stars number. My gripe is succeeding a synth with a 5 level spread and failing it consistently with a 2 level spread. My carpenter's 22 and I often...OFTEN...fail Level 5 Leves. It just seems like the whole color-changing and Standard/Rapid/Careful ...blah blah blah... It's all entirely pointless. Well, it was entirely pointless until they started offering bonus XP for increased Quality. But the crafting system is still so completely random. Sometimes I find myself succeeding more on Red than on White over a period of time. An LS member called it a Placebo Effect and I was only seeing what I wanted to see to justify my complaints. Nope. I counted one day. 110/161 synths through Red were Neutral or Successful while only 49/114 White were Neutral or Successful. That means, after 100 synthesis attempts, I failed Red 51 times and failed white 65 times. The numbers seem only oddly close and I was not using any abilities other than Tender Touch and the level spread was -5.
You find when you start crunching numbers, the results of the math definitely point something either we're missing or SE screwed up. Unless they incorporated facing directions on certain days during certain whether under a certain moon phase after battling a certain monster, eating a certain food and committing a certain crime with a certain balloon animal stapled to your forehead with only 1/4" aluminum BOSCH staples...like they did in XI...and we just haven't realized it yet. -
03-25-2012, 02:06 AMRaldo
Crafting seems like it's... not the profession for you.
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03-25-2012, 03:01 AMTheVedisno kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
those of us who have gotten tons of 50 crafts already have been through all this
we didnt rage, we endured, and we kept going
everyone will have their bad days, the odds can not always be in your favor
failure IS an option
where you may succeed 50 times in a row on a hard synth, it is possible to do the exact opposite and fail a bunch of times in a row on an easy one
those are just the odds, and like it or not, the odds of doing this are part of crafting -
03-25-2012, 03:43 AMJinrya-Geki
Look at the moon phase as well. Half moon I fail synthesis like I was a level 1 synthesizing and item level 30 or higher.
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03-25-2012, 04:16 AMTheVedismoon phase has no effect on crafting, this has been confirmed in the past by developers around launch and nothing has been changed to it "yet"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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03-25-2012, 04:25 AMJinrya-GekiI can't prove it, but it's extremely odd that every time I see the moon phase not half moon I hardly fail. Then as soon as the half moon shows up, I fail so bad it's pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Would you have a link to the page where developers said it doesn't affect crafts? -
03-25-2012, 05:16 AMJackDanielsYou can overtrain in many things. Overtraining leads to exhaustion and overanalyzing, which in the end could be more detrimental in the long run. I think it only effects you if you don't stand up every now and then though. Ie: eat food every .5 hours and you should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
Lol I was gonna ask how you are the first to post in virtually every thread, but yeah I'd be on here all the time too if I was you lol :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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03-25-2012, 05:23 AMtymora
If you believe it works, it works, regardless of all evidence to the contrary.
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03-25-2012, 05:35 AMJinkoI don't have a link, but he basically said believe what you want to believe, which sounded to me like its all in your head son!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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03-25-2012, 05:47 AMleomike35
That sucks. I use fulfillment rapid twice or until i get 60 or so progress. Then I i careful til done or until i have 88ish progress or are about 20 something durability left then I preserve and use standard and I get decent quality and low failure rates. Even using that system there are still times where fails happen. It is frustrating but like others say one must endure or take a break.
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03-25-2012, 06:46 AMLyniaer
Here's a video that perfectly compliments my request to Square.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-97uRkzRg -
03-25-2012, 07:00 AMEldaenaOh, I forgot, moon phases could possibly effect synthesis as well. It was never confirmed or denied by Yoshida, but it is something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
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03-25-2012, 07:04 AMJackDanielsFull moon = +craftsmanshipQuote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
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03-25-2012, 07:40 AMtymora
Looking at your crafting levels, I would say don't sweat too much on failures. It will get easier as you get more relevant abilities from all the crafts as you go, not to mention that you can use more abilities as you get higher.
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03-25-2012, 08:00 AMPeptaru
If you surround yourself with roegs in subligaria you're success rate skyrockets.
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03-25-2012, 08:04 AMLyniaerI'll pass. My LS leader runs around with no pants on enough as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peptaru
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03-25-2012, 09:06 AMLux_RaynaI'm going to ask a few questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
1) Are you using synth support from the guild?
2) Standard, Rapid, or Careful synths? Based on your post I'm guessing you aren't using standard exclusively. If not, that is the reason for your failures. You are lowering your chances of success and increasing your durability loss. Just spam standard.
3) Are you strategically using wait? Believe it or not it can be the difference between success and failure. If you find yoursel failing, leave the blinky/red crap alone lol.
All in all sometimes you have bad luck and just gotta deal with it. -
03-25-2012, 02:16 PMTheVedisit was said long before we had forums even, and since nothing has been said since, its easy to assume that it holds the same as it has since launch, that moon phases/weather etc etc do not affect crafting at all "yet"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
there was mention of it being a possibility in the distant future but that was the end of what was said
also, based on my own testing back then, and even today, ive never seen any difference in crafting based on any factor other then random luck and my level vs the recipe level(since theyve added 51+ recipes i can once again do recipes higher then me since im all 50, and this still holds true even with them)
One thing to note though, some recipes, especialy some older ones that are now dated were akwardly harder then their level made them seem, anyone remember trying to do canvas cloth or cotton yarn back in the day? how it would fail easily with guild support(which was required for it) even when you were 10 levels above it? regardless of what day it was, what moon it was, or anything? -
03-25-2012, 02:18 PMTheVedis1) Support DOES NOT make synths easier, if he is doing a dated recipe that "requires" it, then yes, he needs it, if not, then support does absolutely nothing. It does not make synths easier, it does not raise your virtual level. it does NOTHING. this has been confirmed time and time again by the developers. In the future, they plan to change how it works so that it is useful again, but for now, its pretty useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna
2) common sense, be amazed how many people will spam careful instead for the exp and complain about fails now
3) people still havent learned how much more important this is since they changed how stats work, even i have had to use wait to avoid nasty fails and be careful when crafting 51+ gear -
03-27-2012, 10:05 PMjwang
Haha Mina, u so mad. See you after server merge. ;3
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03-27-2012, 10:18 PMMatsume
Step 1: Level all crafts to lvl 10 on Guild Leves
Step 2: Equip relevant cross class abilities (CCAs)
Step 3: Level all crafts to lvl 20 using CCAs
Repeat.
Clothing Optional. -
03-28-2012, 04:27 PMAirget
Hm, I didn't notice this anywhere but were you using Asuran Armguards, if you started to fail at 11 then the answer is the effects of your hands wore off so you aren't getting the power boost you were before.
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03-28-2012, 07:26 PMEruantien
synthesis also gets harder once you hit 11 and 21 as they made it easier so you get into it
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03-28-2012, 08:44 PMAbauge_Goga
Not proven, but i've noticed certain moon phases simply suck for crafting, especially if you are trying to raise quality.
I usually just wait until the next moon phase if I get a lot of botches.
I broke 2 black pearls +1 last night because i was stuborn, on my GSM 50, with gear and food and full support. Thanks SE :D
Back to farming now! -
03-28-2012, 10:34 PMScarfaceHorrible..HorribleQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyniaer
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03-28-2012, 10:35 PMUrthdigger
I've been having issues as well. Doing synths a mere 2 levels above me, I'll just randomly start failing every single action. Even standard actions on white/yellow. It's rather frustrating, and it really makes me wish crafting was less luck based.
As it is, I use up to date items across the board, including accessories and food, wait on red or flashing (Unless I'm doing good and can afford to do careful for quality, where I want red), and yet still there's the odd occasional synth where things just go horribly, horribly wrong, and I can't see how this is a good thing. I know the combat classes would call bullshit if some marmot their level suddenly started evading like it had popped Perfect Dodge and started critting on every hit. -
03-28-2012, 10:45 PMCurly-Wurly
all i have to say is random shit is still random.
i aint really noticed a huge dif for anything moonphase magic/craftmanship gear w/e
take a break come back in a hour or a day swap that shit out go kill sumin... why let it get to you after 6 synths lol.... 300exp.. please i lvled almost all my crafts with 100-500 exp so 300 is bout average lol.. dont get all craybaby spoilt because u cant get 2K+ a synth now, shit happens thinks break when your trying HQ sumin with all HQ mats and u break it many times then start bitching imo lvling is just spaming buttons and doing what u have to do do get the exp if its 100-1000+ exp is exp