Bard's songs will buff the party again. Nice to see that they actually listened on the feedback of bard not feeling like bard anymore and did something about it. I am not even bard player but the current iteration felt so stupid after the stormblood one. I wonder if it will be a worse crit buff (1% probably) or something else entirely, it would be cool if they gave different effects (like determination, direct hit and crit).
Honestly I thought everyone would just get direct potency buffs except ninja.
It's nice to see our feedback actually made a difference
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10-20-2019, 05:22 AMSamstaIt's nice to see our feedback actually made a difference
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10-20-2019, 07:40 AMRamura_Sono
Now if only they were this quick to react to feedback for other jobs too.
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10-20-2019, 08:02 AMSpeckledBurd
Eh, I wouldn't necessarily say they're fast to respond to feedback. They're demonstrably pretty slow to address player problems with design, and not just in the "There's only a major patch every 6 months" way either. They'll sometimes take up to a year to fix a problem with a job after identifying it. Worse, if the devs are married to some aspect of job's design, they'll dig in their heels, stick their head in the sand, and dismiss player concerns about it even if the playerbase is extremely vocal about not liking it unless the playerbase starts burning down the forums.
There's plenty of examples of this too. Heavensward Bowmage stuck around for two years even though it was extremely unpopular. Riddle of Fire's slow was immediately super unpopular in Stormblood to the point that the devs said "If the player outcry is bad enough we'll change it" in a 4.1 Q&A, but the devs not only kept it for the rest of Stormblood, but were intending to keep it through Shadowbringers as well. If you look at the interviews that touch on Monk in the media tour, they simultaneously acknowledge that we absolutely despised it and identify why we despised it and then defend why it's necessary rather than something to be corrected. It got fixed in 5.05, but it took basically the entire Monk playerbase rioting in every region of the forum and beyond.
And those are just examples the devs being slow to act. Ten Chi Jin freezing Ninja in place on use is extremely unpopular as well, but not only is it not changing; the devs specifically mentioned that it is remaining the same in the recent live letter which IMO is an acknowledgement of how little people like it. Monk is (unsurprisingly) another example of that, we hated the double layered RNG of Deep Meditation in Stormblood and instead of it getting fixed we got another trait that only minorly boosted our procs off crits instead of eliminating the RNG aspect entirely, and Brotherhood still makes Monk suffer if there's more casters in a party than is normal which was another complaint people had in Stormblood. A more extreme example: Tornado Kick. It's one of the coolest animations in the game full stop and it's extremely satisfying to use, but the devs are determined for it to only be a "The Boss is jumping, dump your stacks!" button, and when the players found a way to use it as something other than that in 4.2 they responded by undoing one of the best quality of life changes Monk had ever received and nerfed PB’s cooldown back to absurdity instead of changing TK to be used in some other manner.
Also if you've got a major problem with how your job plays or performs, you'd better hope that the devs get on it soon because if it isn't fixed in by X.2 then you're pretty much guaranteed to have to wait until the next expansion for the fix. -
10-20-2019, 08:08 AMCanadane
One issue is that they are working with multiple patches ahead of them already complete. Other than a couple emergency potency changes they can't really adjust the mechanics behind skills and abilities right away. The next patch including changes to moves, are completed, built, and ready to roll out by the time we get the previous one. Their distribution methods mean more consistent patches but also takes more to respond to requests.
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10-20-2019, 08:17 AMMPNZ
It's nice, but it's better for people to hold of relief until after the patch notes because they will more likely just readjust potencies to avoid several major overhauls to entire job designs, which was like 5.0, hopefully
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10-23-2019, 09:45 PMDRKoftheAzureIf you are referring to DRK and how it feels too much like WAR, than yeah I agree bur I know that ever gonna happen cuz that's pipe dream at this point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono
I'm totally not salty about that at all...
I've made peace with the fact that I love GNB
And if they make GNB feel too much like WAR while also not touching DRK in the next patch, I'll just go play a different game, regardless of my glamour farming habit for the new dungeon and alliance raid... -
10-23-2019, 09:53 PMCrushnightor entire roles at points /hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono
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10-23-2019, 09:55 PMBillythepancake*Cries in SCH*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono
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10-24-2019, 01:12 AMHaxaan*Cries twin waterfalls in AST*Quote:
Originally Posted by Billythepancake
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10-24-2019, 09:08 PMMaero
* Cries an entire Ocean for Red Mage *
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10-25-2019, 02:47 AMSamstaWhy? They are getting a potency buff and stacks for acceleration for the opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
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10-25-2019, 03:09 AMMhaeric
Some people think that since RDM didn't get any significant changes to its gameplay it somehow means that RDM is being ignored. One just needs to look at their recent post history to see that this poster subscribes to that belief.
"Exactly what i have been saying all along. Would not surprise if it is an exact repeat of Stormblood. Every job seen multiple changes before they even "looked" at Red Mage because apparently they think it has always been fine as it is."
"Why be patient though? The past has already showed itself that they care more for every other job. If it follows again, jobs will all see 1 or 2 changes, then they will "look" at RM." -
10-25-2019, 03:35 AMshao32
I wish they listen for once DRK feedback properly and act in consequence to fix his Gameplay issues the same way they did with the dps, same for AST, WAR and SCH.
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10-26-2019, 12:58 AMHaxaan
After looking at the Brd Song additions it gives me hope that they could still adjust the card effects for AST in a similar fashion. GIVE ME MY FLAVOUR BACK DAMNIT!!
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10-26-2019, 02:29 AMMaeroI posted this before patch notes were out...Quote:
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And i feel like it could have used more changes, but at least we are getting something and not ignored completely until like mid expansion like in Stormblood (ok slight exagerated i know) -
10-26-2019, 02:44 AMMaeroAnd your point is? I am actually correct on my statement, but whatever believe what you will, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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10-26-2019, 03:38 AMMhaericJust answering their question of why someone would say RDM has the most to cry about with a factual statement with quotes to back up the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
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10-26-2019, 07:38 AMMaero
lol ok. Everyone quotes me from stuff i said well before patch notes were out.
My statement that you quoted could have very well held true because they were not showing any signs of Red Mage love, they talked about Nin, smn and other jobs.
Stormblood they had only made changes to Red Mage around September.
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10-26-2019, 07:46 AMLeidirivRegarding the "signs of Red Mage love", they even said in the Live Letter last week that they were going to buff RDM's "firepower considerably" alongside the Acceleration change which they had more fully detailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
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10-26-2019, 08:21 AMAiscence
I dont feel like ranged feedback have been taken into account that much tho, outside of "give supportive effect to songs" (especially for the "selfish dps" mch). We'll still be missing quite a bit of damage to rival casters and melees, especially with the rdm/smn buffs. On top of being the only job that didnt get any ping problem recognition for years. But hey who knows, they can still do some late minute tweakings.