I'm up to level 62 and I feel like never talking to Lyse ever again, I'm done so done with her attitude.
I miss Heavensward.
When does Stormblood get good?[Spoilers?]
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10-13-2019, 08:13 AMSieteWhen does Stormblood get good?[Spoilers?]
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10-13-2019, 08:24 AMVahlnir
In my opinion, the last couple patches of Stormblood (max level "endgame" story quests). So basically...the very end.
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10-13-2019, 08:27 AMSieteAh, I was afraid of meeting such answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
I really REALLY care not about what the plot currently offers.
And I highly dislike Lyse.
I miss Ishgard. -
10-13-2019, 08:29 AMVahlnirIt's just my opinion. You may end up enjoying it at some point. If you don't like Lyse now though...you probably won't like her any more later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siete
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10-13-2019, 08:31 AMRhais
In my opinion it never really gets good, there are a few parts I liked, but overall it just doesn't come close to HW. However ShB so far is as good as, or better then HW so there is that to look forward to.
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10-13-2019, 08:34 AMSiete
Every quest I get even if MSQ has a tint of forced "comedy"
I was expecting war, not funny slice of life anime jokes over and over. -
10-13-2019, 08:42 AMDeceptus
Wasn't a big fan of SB story either. Basic rebellion liberation story. Only thing I was interested in was Tsuyu's story.
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10-13-2019, 08:44 AMLauraAdalenaIMO, once you get to the Azim Steppe it gets good. Then it's decent up until the last dungeon + boss, then it's downhill again until last couple patches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siete
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10-13-2019, 08:45 AMAlucard135
When you start Eureka.
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10-13-2019, 08:45 AMHash_Browns...and never finish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alucard135
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10-13-2019, 08:46 AMAlucard135Ok, I laughed way too loud after reading this lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hash_Browns
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10-13-2019, 08:52 AMRivinStormfang
I really enjoyed the middle part of the Stormblood story (after you leave for Doma, until the end of that story arc). The Ala Mhigo sections are just...kind of empty until near the end. If you can power through the first Ala Mhigo section you might find the Doma section better. But the expansion as a whole is definitely a stark contrast to Heavensward. That said, if you make it through Stormblood, Shadowbringers feels a lot more like Heavensward and the story gets a whole lot better.
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10-13-2019, 09:12 AMIscah
Stormblood is like a weird off-tone sidequest that got stretched to an entire expansion. I didn't like it anywhere near as much as Heavensward and now Shadowbringers is out, it feels like a continuity from ARR - HW - ShB while Stormblood doesn't fit the sequence. It also feels very heavy on 'dark stories' of the conquered lands and cruel treatment by their conquerors.
The patch quests got more interesting, and started leading into Shadowbringers' storyline. -
10-13-2019, 10:17 AMSiete
I was really hyped to fight a war against the empire, despite I like them better. But all I got are joke quests right after getting rekt horribly in Rhalgr's Reach
I was expecting a lot of dark mood after that, instead I have to endure Lyse acting like a teenager through Doma. -
10-13-2019, 10:21 AMNemmar
Stormblood was where i fell in love with the game, but it only happened once i hit the Azim steppes.
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10-13-2019, 10:22 AMHugowulf
The bit with lord hien was they only thing I remember, everything else was super forgettable. Lyse was also a huge annoyance to me, I actually skipped cutscenes when she was in them..
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10-13-2019, 10:29 AMDirwen
Azim Steppes was the only good part of the SB story aside from the very last patches leading up to ShB. I really disliked the ala mihgo portion of the story. Not to mention I hated their zones. The same reason I dislike going to zones connected to Uldah.
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10-13-2019, 12:55 PMEnla
Stormblood was good for me during the mid-part of the initial expansion and then during the very, very last few patches. The idiot bat got passed around a bit too often in that expansion for my tastes.
That said I do recommend going off once you reach 70 and unlocking the Four Lords raids. They had a pretty decent story and their fights were all very fun. -
10-13-2019, 12:56 PMern815
I actually like the Doman arc and Yotsuyu's arc in 4.2.
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10-13-2019, 01:06 PMEnlaI'd agree with Yotsuyu except...Quote:
Originally Posted by ern815
Asahi and how they made every other relevant character moronic to facilitate him ruined it for me personally. Yotsuyu's arc was great but the steps they took to resolve it really weren't, especially since it's plainly obvious Asahi has violated the treaty as soon as the Red Kyojin show up. Making characters too stupid to function in order to progress the plot is a bad habit of Stormblood's and it's especially present in that arc with Hien. I'd have loved if they reached the same powerful conclusion without beating their characters so hard that their brain cells end up numbering in the single digits. :< -
10-13-2019, 02:00 PMSilver-Strider
Ala Mhigo Arc fell flat on its face, especially after the great job that was the Doman Liberation Arc.
Lyse had more personality when she was her alter ego and felt like she was just there for the sake of being there whereas all the other figures, such as Hien or Ruabahn had much more depth to them by a mile in comparison.
Yotsuyu's arc had its hiccups but wasn't the worst story ever and I'd be lying if I didn't get a lot of satisfaction watching that parasite's death, although I felt bad for Sad SAM.
Scion bit at the end and the whole Garlean affair was very interesting.
Pretty much, what you got to look forward to in SB are a handful of Diamonds buried in a mountain of dirt. After the grandeur that was the HW story, SB is a bit of a let down. It has its high moments to be sure but never really reaching any point of HW's high points. -
10-13-2019, 02:01 PMSpiritedMare
I pretty much felt like the Doma part of SB was "okay" (didn't love it NEARLY as much as the HW story, but it was at least reasonably palatable), but every single moment of the Ala Mhigo part was actively annoying/boring/altogether unenjoyable for me.
Essentially, when coming off the high of HW, SB is not so much "to be enjoyed" as it is "to be endured, with the promise that the game will pick back up to HW levels of enjoyment once you hit ShB". At least to me. -
10-13-2019, 02:33 PMSiete
Were the writers different people or something?
The breach in quality is certainly HUGE. -
10-13-2019, 08:53 PMRhus
Opening up to 63 is pretty flat and boring.
64+ when you reach Azim and go on to Doma is much more interesting and fun with better characters and story.
Coming back o Ala Mhigo later on around level 70 is better than the first section mentioned.
The end game patches are much much better than all that as they crank up the pressure for Shb.
So at Azim the quality picks up a lot and sticks around there. Just the opening where you seem to be is pretty shaky and no very good. -
10-13-2019, 09:03 PMAllegor
I honestly found the 4 Lords, Omega, and Ivalice questlines more engaging than the MSQ. Heck even Raubahn's mini arc was more entertaining. I wouldn't say I don't like Lyse, but she's pretty much the definition of wasted potential and yet the narrative puts her on this main character pedestal that she herself acknowledges shouldn't be on /shrug
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10-13-2019, 09:15 PMSebazy
It's probably been said already, but Stormblood gets good when Shadowbringers begins.
SB definitely had some highlights, but it also had far too much cringe and it feels like the middle of the story just wanders around aimlessly looking for a decent thread to pickup and run with, whilst the interesting little details just get forgotten and buried under obvious impending plot twists. -
10-13-2019, 09:29 PMVidera
I don't know if this is still a popular opinion or not, but it doesn't. Stormblood was ... really disappointing, for me.
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10-13-2019, 09:30 PMCeasaria
I don't know, 3.1 was the shorter story we ever had, 3.4 + 3.5 were quite rushed (WoD part).
I only remember 3.0 as being really good not the following patches.
At contrary, 4.0 to 4.5 was long and nice quality content story.
Maybe it wasn't as deep or interesting than some part of Heavensward, but overall I really enjoyed it. -
10-13-2019, 09:47 PMNomuno
cant say It caught me enough to not skip it, so I couldn't tell you lol
If there was an ascian in the cutscene I would watch it, otherwise I skipped stormblood. SHB is soooooooo good, imo better than heavensward -
10-13-2019, 10:09 PMJohaandr
SB felt rushed and i hated going back and forth Doma and ala mhigo
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10-13-2019, 10:50 PMHalivel
Depends on your own preferences really. I pretty much enjoyed the whole expansion and all of it was good for me. Though if I'll need to pick favorite parts, those will be Azim Steppes and Doma.
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10-13-2019, 10:56 PMKaurhz
If I were to go according to my tastes, it gets even worse, and worse, and continues to do so until around 4.2/4.3 time.
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10-13-2019, 11:18 PMSiete
Just woke up and got into advancing with the MSQ again only to get Lyse scream "BUT I CAME HERE TO FIGHT!!" after all she did was having teen tantrums, without even thinking she'd get all of Namai destroyed were she attack the Imperials
Does she never learn? Where's her character progression? -
10-13-2019, 11:24 PMHalivelWelp… she's 25, but for last 5 years she didn't even really exist as a person, because she tried to be her sister, so technically we could say she's still 20. She has some progression, but it's quite slow and barely noticeable when you look at other Scions and how they change with time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siete
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10-13-2019, 11:24 PMOichi
As others said, likes and dislikes are very personal. I could talk for quite a time about what I perceive as flaws and strenghts in SB, but to be short, I'll just point out what comes to my mind right now as most enjoyable:
Story arcs:
The Four Lords (I loved everything about it).
Gosetsu and Yotsuyu.
The Butcher.
Zones:
All the Far East ones: Ruby Sea, Kugane, Yanxia, Azim Steppe.
Characters:
Hien (I really liked his mixture of irony, thoughtfulness, honesty and optimism. All in all, a very solid and versatile character).
Gosetsu (very easy to emphatize with).
Magnai (he cracked me up).
Sadu (she cracked me up too).
The Butcher (well written character, with good entrances and exits).
Everyone that you later encounter in the Doman Enclave Reconstruction (the finished Doman Enclave is one of my top favorite places in the whole game).
Zenos' father (who suddenly gains some depth).
Tribe quests:
The Kojin storyline.
If I remember well, I enjoyed also all the job solo duties, but I usually do everywhere.
Extras:
Rathalos.
And of course, Hildibrand. His arc ends in Kugane, and I can't wait to see him, Godbert, Greg, Nashu and the whole gang reappear in ShB.
I probably forget a ton of other things I enjoyed, but hey, I have a goldfish memory :) -
10-13-2019, 11:47 PMSieteIt's not exactly bad bad, but Lyse destroys the atmosphere completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Oichi
The last quests I spent alone with Yugiri were thousands of times better than when I have to deal with Lyse jumping and laughing around. So much for a war orphan fighting for her homeland. -
10-13-2019, 11:53 PMOichiUnfortunately, Lyse was a very flat, shallow character, although she had potential. I didn't dislike that she doubted herself, that was understandable. But she lacked personality, development, expression... and she could get to irritate me too. However, I started enjoying Alisaie during SB and she was a welcome change after Alphinaud, who I never liked at that point -that came later. There again, I never really felt any bond with any of the Scions until ShB, which for me was simply magical in terms of character development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siete
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10-14-2019, 12:05 AMHalivelTbh, it could be made so intentionally. I mean... she wasn't a person for 5 years after calamity, and wasn't one either in ARR-SB period, because she was her sister. It would be weird to immediately become a whole new person when you barely regained your own name just some time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oichi
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10-14-2019, 12:25 AMOichiThat's a very fair point, and I have to admit she does gain some proper identity towards the end. I just wish she had been a bit more compelling a character during the transition, cause the idea was good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
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10-14-2019, 12:31 AMSieteAt least I have Alisaie and Yugiri making sense even through their recklessness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oichi
For now, I've decided to defect to the Empire until my fellow Eorzeans tape Lyse to a lamp post for the rest of the campaign.