After several months of playing WAR, I still hate how Nascent Flash works

I can accept that we'll never get to go back to our big gauge spenders healing on their own. I have come to terms with that. But good lord let me target myself with Nascent Flash at least. It doesn't even need to give me the 10% damage reduction, it can be a conditional thing where when self-cast, it only applies Nascent Flash, and when cast on someone else, applies Nascent Flash to self and Nascent Glint on the target. I just want the ability to self-heal outside of Equilibrium and Storm's Path when I'm solo'ing a dungeon or trial.

It'd also be nice if Overpower was no longer a cone AoE. I hated that it was a cone in ARR, still hate it now.

Sounds like we got a hater.

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Originally Posted by gbfrfrbhtfgdbngf

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Just so much. One has been festering for 7 years, the other 3 months. It's as if some black mold interbred with a red cap mushroom, or someone made a durian and surstromming pie. Or just Heavensward-era DRK.

Okay, maybe not that last one.

DRG's Dragon Sight allows the user to target themselves (thus granting the Right Eye buff to no one), so I know they could make the ability work like that if they wanted to.

I would also like this change.

Though if I'm being entirely honest, I'd rather they separate the dual-function of Nascent Flash into two separate actions instead. My WAR bars are pretty sparse compared to the other tanks.

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Originally Posted by gbfrfrbhtfgdbngf

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This post and the picture on the left along with nickname crack me up. xD

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

This post and the picture on the left along with nickname crack me up. xD

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Now I'm just reading it in Papalymo 1.0 voice and can't handle it lmao

I'd probably expect it to be adjusted in some kind of way along with War's effectiveness since that's a big hot button topic right now.

It bites because we lost Steel Cyclone and it's draining effect, and got it repackaged into a skill we can only utilize with another party member (granted works for everything).

Totally agree that Nascent Flesh is clunky as hell and it's one of few reasons why I dislike new WAR. The other reasons being castrated Raw Beast with HP absorb removed same as Steel Cyclone. What a fantastic idea to remove existing self-heal options that are convenient to use and instead give us this clunky buff that requires me to target other player then re-target whatever I'm attacking, and of course during that time I can't use any ogcd and on top of that usually this whole process takes more than 1gcd, so.... I don't see anything here to be happy about.

It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.

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It feels like a 1-2 seconds are missing from the duration and you get healed by 2 skills or something.
Duration of this skill is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.

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Personally, I think it's because it doesn't flow well at all, nor is it intuitive feeling. Targeting an ally to throw a shield on them makes sense and it just works when you do it. Throwing a buff on an ally so you can heal off of the damage you deal to an enemy just doesn't feel right, and it feels really bad if you miss out on a GCD.

Shouldn't they learn from their mistakes on the first 5 secs of the blackest night? On how tight it was for it to pop back in SB? So they finally increase it to 7 secs which made it a lot better.
And now we got another 5 secs... not only it's tied to require a target for it's usage.... which, imo is my complaint to it.

the healing on the target is also sad as hell, i dont even understand why it only heals half of what the warrior heals for, if you;re not using inner chaos or currently raging it heals for really pathetic noodle health.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.

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Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition

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Except RI and NF share a cooldown so they are basically the same skill, either a self helping skill or a party helping skill but TBN completely craps on both the warrior ones

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Originally Posted by fumofu

Totally agree that Nascent Flesh is clunky as hell and it's one of few reasons why I dislike new WAR. The other reasons being castrated Raw Beast with HP absorb removed same as Steel Cyclone. What a fantastic idea to remove existing self-heal options that are convenient to use and instead give us this clunky buff that requires me to target other player then re-target whatever I'm attacking, and of course during that time I can't use any ogcd and on top of that usually this whole process takes more than 1gcd, so.... I don't see anything here to be happy about.

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User Macros:
/ac "Nascent Flash" <t>
/ac "Nascent Flash" <2>

First priority is applying the buff to targeted party member, if you have no target selected it automatically casts on the 2nd person in your party list (usually Second tank or healer). Will also target chocobo companion). There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.

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Should be as simple as setting the macro icon to Nascent Flash.

At the top of your macro:
/micon "Nascent Flash"

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

User Macros:
/ac "Nascent Flash" <t>
/ac "Nascent Flash" <2>

First priority is applying the buff to targeted party member, if you have no target selected it automatically casts on the 2nd person in your party list (usually Second tank or healer). Will also target chocobo companion). There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.

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Put /ac [Nascent Flash] <c> for overworld with your chocobuddy in there

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Should be as simple as setting the macro icon to Nascent Flash.

At the top of your macro:
/micon "Nascent Flash"

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doesn't show the CD, just shows the icon.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

doesn't show the CD, just shows the icon.

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. Ah, that's a shame. Maybe I'm mis-remembering the ability to have it mimic the skill cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

It feels like a 1-2 seconds are missing from the duration and you get healed by 2 skills or something.
Duration of this skill is ridiculous.

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If it's an emergency need for the health, you can use your ogcd's and heal for 5 skills.
But I do agree it feels awfully short.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition

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They both help your target survive. One's just a shield vs the other being damage reduction.
The difference is TBN can be applied to the DRK themselves, while NF can only be applied to a party member other than yourself. Yes Raw Int is the self-version of it, so basically you have 2 buttons to perform the same function a DRK uses one function.

I think the way to get it to show the cooldown is like this:

/ac "Nascent Flash" <2>
/macroicon "Nascent Flash"

Nascent Flash able to cast on self. Yes please!!!

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

doesn't show the CD, just shows the icon.

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The command /micon "<ability name>" does show the cooldown/recast on the icon.

Sad day indeed when a Samurai survivability is higher than that of a Warrior and it's all thanks to Bloodbath, an ability that was Warriors to begin with.


Last night I tried solo Alexander - The Fist of the Father to get an accessory for this week fashion report. I went in as WAR iLv.445 and I could not beat the boss, it took too long to kill the boss before debuff stack become unmanageable. Equilibrium is not enough to keep me alive with a 60 sec cool down. I tried 4 times and failed. Had I only able to cast Nascent Flash on myself then that would be more than enough to keep me alive.


I re-entered the instance as SAM iLv.452 and I beat the boss on my first go with no where near being in danger. SAM dammage was high enough that the boss die quickly and Bloodbath was the key for my survival.


My point being, either give WAR back Bloodbath or make Nascent Flash able to cast on self.

This is probably my biggest complaint about war right now. It's even s bigger issue in frontlines pvp. I hate the target requirement on nf.

I may regret acting like that person, but I don't really have any problem with Narcscent Flash.

I was already teaching myself to quickswap in battle to use Shirk without a macro (I still use the macro because it tells me when Shirk is ready again, but sometimes I don't have the time to reach over with the cursor). So quickswapping to target the party healer or my co-tank is... really not an issue.

While i really dont care about it much in normal PvE (as it only is helpful in extremely niche situations as this is not a solo game), the pvp issue is legit. I have simply not played war in pvp for months because nascent flash is virtually unusable in frontlines/alliance pvp. Youre utterly innefective doing anything alone like win a dual to steal a point and party members are all over the map. The other tanks are just straight up better in pvp now for a variety of reasons. Nascent in pvp is just garbage. In traditional pve its still great.

The PvP situation is a crisis.

And like, I love Nascent Flash as an idea, but this implementation is way too clunky for PvP. There's definitely been times in The Feast when I threw it up on someone being bursted, spammed AOE, and made the difference in keeping them alive. Though in frontlines even if you are quick with it as I am, it's cumbersome as heck. Allowing self-target would be amazing and honestly marginally effect balance in The Feast, where it would undoubtedly help the lone survivor warrior which considering we don't have anything like HG or TBN is fine.

It's not just nf. War needs the whole infuriate mechanic adjusted because it essentially removes the need to do stormspath combo in a frontlines setting.

Onslaught doubling as a stun is also terrible. I wish we got brutal swing back for pvp.

As for pve, target requirement ought to be removed. Or the whole nf skill needs to be reworked somehow so a macro doesn't feel as mandatory as it does now.

Hating NF? Do you not care about hPS? :confused:

Welp, sure as hell not getting Nascent Flash reworked for 5.1 it looks like. Or probably ever in the 5.X if I want to keep realistic expectations.

It really just needs a pvp tweak to be useful there as that is where it really makes a big impact on the job in a negative way. But pvp isnt exactly a high priority for this game.

I'll be honest. Nascent Flash really does need a rework or at least the ability to self-cast. I was really hoping that Square would add that this patch, but the notes say otherwise.
Square, if you're reading this, I imagine you're probably already working on it but let this be some encouragement on that front.
I'm a warrior main. It's my one and only tank class and I love it. I don't use nascent flash...at all. I use nascent glint to help mitigate busters on the MT, but if I'm main tanking I don't even bother and just use raw intuition when the need arises. NFlash has a ton of potential as an ability, even if only given the ability to cast it on myself, but it is more of a hassle than a skill as it is now. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

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Welp, sure as hell not getting Nascent Flash reworked for 5.1 it looks like. Or probably ever in the 5.X if I want to keep realistic expectations.

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I hope that's not the case... We'll see what they do for NF in pvp. I remember War PvP was way better than War PvE for a while at Stormbloods release because of things like IR not costing rage which eventually was implemented for PvE as well. I can only hope that's going to be the case here. We'll have to see what they do for War PvP actions on Tuesday... If nothing then yeah, you're probably right at this point. NF is gonna be sad in PvE for the rest of this xpac cycle.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

It really just needs a pvp tweak to be useful there as that is where it really makes a big impact on the job in a negative way. But pvp isnt exactly a high priority for this game.

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I don't know about high. But they still support it by making new maps for it and adding rewards to it. I'm really hoping NF and just the whole infuriate/IC mechanic gets looked at for War PvP this patch. I think in some ways, like I said in a previous post, it could be somewhat indicative of where War may be heading PvE wise. So I'm looking forward to Tuesday when the PvP actions are updated... I'm still holding out hope... but it's gonna be all but extinguished this Tuesday if the PvP patch doesn't address the issues I hope it does for War in frontlines/alliance pvp...

And below is a repost of what I said about NF in another thread:

Somehow forums lost my long post... sigh... anyway, the long and short of it is that by "clunkiness" I don't just mean the difficulty of USING nascent flash when it is available for use, but the very RESTRICTIONS ON WHEN it can be used is an unnecessary inconvenience.

That is, the party target requirement itself accounts for a bulk of what I would call the "clunkiness" of Nascent Flash. In a raid, or even dungeon setting, this is not a huge issue. But if you look at other aspects of PvE such as instanced quests, or FATE farming or something in the overworld, the party target requirement's inconvenience becomes more apparent. In the overworld or out in a map and without a party member, you have to summon your chocobo to use Nascent Flash. Not a big deal I guess, but it's one extra thing you have to do in order to even be able to use the action.

In an instanced quest setting, you NEED a friendly NPC in order to use Nascent Flash, there are NO PARTY MEMBERS allowed in such instanced quests - not even a chocobo. So in those settings, you can target a friendly NPC with Nascent Flash, but it's more difficult because they aren't in the party UI. For easier targeting, you have to focus target, then target focus them to use Nascent Flash. It becomes more aggravating when the quest involves multiple parts where you will go from one section of a map to another section, which clears the focus target, requiring you to focus target the NPC again.

Nascent Flash is the best new action Wars got in this xpac, it has a great animation, and it brings back that great bloodbath feel that was missing. But the party target requirement keeps it from truly being bloodbath, and imo, from truly being a blast to use.

In my opinion, SE should just separate Nascent Flash from Nascent Glint and have them share a cooldown. Nascent Glint would be what Nascent Flash is now, and the new Nascent Flash would just be the self healing buff. They should refrain from adding more of these party target requirements or having multiple effects in the same action (self healing, plus healing others, plus damage reduction to others). It just gets clunky/inconvenient when they do that.

They could also just remove the party target requirement and have it self targetable, like TBN, or dragoons eye, or even Holmgang.

I'm waiting to see what they do with NF in PvP, because if they remove it this coming Tuesday, I think we can expect they'll do the same for the PvE version at a later date. At least, I hope so.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

In my opinion, SE should just separate Nascent Flash from Nascent Glint and have them share a cooldown. Nascent Glint would be what Nascent Flash is now, and the new Nascent Flash would just be the self healing buff.

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I mostly agree with everything you said, but I'm not sure if they should keep Glint if they were to separate them.
If that were the case then they should just shorten the cooldown of Shake It Off instead rather than essentially duplicating the ability.