PS5 pre order bonus

It hasn't been announced yet but. Do you think the PS5 will get pre order items like the PS4 did? Either the same ones or new ones? I'm pretty sure the PS4 got the sale pre order bonus as the original release of ARR?

What do you mean?

There is no new FF XIV expansion launching when PS5 will be out (next year).
The new FF XIV expansion will be in 2021 the earliest (if they want to continue this game at least).

And personally I think the pre orders for the new expansion will be the same for everybody regardless what platform you pre-order it on.

So when the PS4 version of FFXIV got released pre ordering it came with the ARR bonuses. I'm wondering if when FFXIV gets released on the PS5 if it will either come with the ARR bonuses or new ones.

I hope so, because when FFXIV was released to Ps4 we got new Standard/CE bonus ( minion, mount, acc ).

As fasr as i know the Mac version did not got the ARR pre-order bonus items.

And also the PS5 will be backwards compatible to PS4 games, there is no need for an extra PS5 version.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

It hasn't been announced yet but. Do you think the PS5 will get pre order items like the PS4 did? Either the same ones or new ones? I'm pretty sure the PS4 got the sale pre order bonus as the original release of ARR?

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Buying a new game console day one is always a bad idea.

The number of times I have seen console first see third version die with a magnificent ring of dead or something similar, especially that at the exit it will be expensive in addition to being noisy while being a good heating for winter.

I am very happy to have the latest version of the Ps4 Pro very quiet.

If the console is for March 2020, then there will be no version completed before 6 months or 1 year.

And 2 years is far.

PS5 Limitations will be the excuse for it not happening.

I won't upgrade immediately unless there some insanely new feature for the PS5 version... like enhanced textures or something.

Otherwise I'll just keep playing on PS4 toaster until they stop supporting it (PS5 will be cheaper then too).

I'm fairly certain there won't be a preorder, considering it sounds like the PS5 is backwards compatible with PS4 games entirely.

The biggest reason PS4 got pre-order bonuses, was they were planning to drop PS3 support very early on, but had to wait for the right moment to do so.
It was an enticement to get you to switch up to make the impact less... impactful.


I don't think they plan to drop PS4 support, so I doubt there will be any perks for scaling up at this point.

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Originally Posted by Gurney

PS5 Limitations will be the excuse for it not happening.

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The irony is that with the ps5 the limiting design factor will be with PCs and not the console, in fact since consoles are homogeneous and ludicrously powerful with this upcoming system the PCs are going to be holding back console games for once.

I never preorder a game system on day one. Cause it will have many issues and break on the same day you buy.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

The irony is that with the ps5 the limiting design factor will be with PCs and not the console, in fact since consoles are homogeneous and ludicrously powerful with this upcoming system the PCs are going to be holding back console games for once.

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PCs never hold back consoles/games. PCs are and always will be superior to consoles. You are limited to when Sony/Nintendo/MS release a new console for an upgrade...PC you can upgrade everyday and whenever there is a better part if you feel like it, along with endless customization.

Edit: Also, pretty sure my PC can wreck a PS6.

The PS5 will be BC with PS4 games. Since PS5 will most likely be able to boost the performance of the PS4 client to 4K/60fps, is there any point in making a PS5 client?

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaze

PCs never hold back consoles/games. PCs are and always will be superior to consoles. You are limited to when Sony/Nintendo/MS release a new console for an upgrade...PC you can upgrade everyday and whenever there is a better part if you feel like it, along with endless customization.

Edit: Also, pretty sure my PC can wreck a PS6.

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No? The biggest hold up of modern consoles is power, and they are catching up in spades. The problem with PCs is always going to be the same, optimization, it will always be bad, to many variables in drivers and hardware is going to become the limiting factor period. Once console are 4k at 60fps and cheaper than a PC and all its equipment it wins hands down for companies to develop on and people to sell games with. It's a hard truth one day PCs with the plethora of options will be the thing that kills it, but hey that's the name of the game.

For one a Ps6 doesn't exist but the Ps5 will crush your computer when it comes to , development optimization, costs, accessibility. The new ps5 standard comes with a SSD, and the ability to run any VR headset, 4k and 8k, 4k at minimum 60fps and 8k at 30 and 8k for media. That alone is better than 90% of all laptops and custom PCs built out here.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

No? The biggest hold up of modern consoles is power, and they are catching up in spades. The problem with PCs is always going to be the same, optimization, it will always be bad, to many variables in drivers and hardware is going to become the limiting factor period. Once console are 4k at 60fps and cheaper than a PC and all its equipment it wins hands down for companies to develop on and people to sell games with. It's a hard truth one day PCs with the plethora of options will be the thing that kills it, but hey that's the name of the game.

For one a Ps6 doesn't exist but the Ps5 will crush your computer when it comes to , development optimization, costs, accessibility. The new ps5 standard comes with a SSD, and the ability to run any VR headset, 4k and 8k, 4k at minimum 60fps and 8k at 30 and 8k for media. That alone is better than 90% of all laptops and custom PCs built out here.

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Again, PCs will always have the ability to be more powerful and more flexible than any console, any generation, and always will be. That "standard" is old news and will be quickly outdated upon release. The refreshes are less convenient than PC upgrades in most cases, and on top of that, PCs have the ability to add on limitless content in the form of the mod scene. While the PS5 may happen to be backwards compatible, PC pretty much always is for any game ever made on it for the past several decades.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

The irony is that with the ps5 the limiting design factor will be with PCs and not the console, in fact since consoles are homogeneous and ludicrously powerful with this upcoming system the PCs are going to be holding back console games for once.

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I've never read a more idiotic thing in my entire life. The PS5 won't even be as powerful as PCs are now.

As long as they let us transfer our ps4 version to ps5 like they did with the ps3, i don't mind.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

The irony is that with the ps5 the limiting design factor will be with PCs and not the console, in fact since consoles are homogeneous and ludicrously powerful with this upcoming system the PCs are going to be holding back console games for once.

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The PC's aren't holding anything back.

What YoshiP said is that they want to reach the biggest amount of players possible on PC, wich is why they are reluctant to increase the minimum requirements. So, it's purely them trying to reach a large audience. But they did phase out the PS3 version, so a graphics upgrade may indeed have to happen despite some people who refuse to upgrade be left behind in place of the new ones that the better graphics will attract.

Besides, they can't very much present a game 2 gens behind on the PS5. There will be graphical upgrades to the game. The question will be when. Maybe not next expansion but surely the one after has to.

If you were to take a representative sample of all the PC’s that people game on ... I have to wonder whether the average power of those PC’s meets or exceeds that of the two main consoles (PS4, Xbox).

Two major assumptions are made in the whole ‘PC vs Console’ debate :

One is that the potential of PCs is always realized. That because a PC can be upgraded, it always is upgraded. That may be true in some cases, but it is not true in all cases.

The other is that the maximum hardware specs available determine the game’s potential. It is the minimum specs, not the maximum specs, that ‘hold the game back’. When the game was on PS3, the PS3 had lower specs than most PC’s. Thus, it could truthfully be said, and SE even said it (citing PS3 limitations), that the PS3 was holding the game back. Now? Is the PS4 holding the game back? Are the minimum specs higher than what a PS4 can manage? Or are the PC’s holding the game back, with their older legacy components?

Its nice to see a few in this thread that are not making the same baseless assumptions. I just wish it was more the norm than the exception.

In terms of sheer numbers, the best PC will always be more powerful than the best console. Maybe not as efficient, maybe not as practical, maybe not as cheap, but definitely more powerful.

That being said... there's a reason you don't see PC exclusive games that truly make the most of that raw power.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

If you were to take a representative sample of all the PC’s that people game on ... I have to wonder whether the average power of those PC’s meets or exceeds that of the two main consoles (PS4, Xbox).

Two major assumptions are made in the whole ‘PC vs Console’ debate :

One is that the potential of PCs is always realized. That because a PC can be upgraded, it always is upgraded. That may be true in some cases, but it is not true in all cases.

The other is that the maximum hardware specs available determine the game’s potential. It is the minimum specs, not the maximum specs, that ‘hold the game back’. When the game was on PS3, the PS3 had lower specs than most PC’s. Thus, it could truthfully be said, and SE even said it (citing PS3 limitations), that the PS3 was holding the game back. Now? Is the PS4 holding the game back? Are the minimum specs higher than what a PS4 can manage? Or are the PC’s holding the game back, with their older legacy components?

Its nice to see a few in this thread that are not making the same baseless assumptions. I just wish it was more the norm than the exception.

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It’s at the end of the console generation so I would imagine most gaming PCs are more powerful at this point, that will change when the new consoles launch.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

The PS5 will be BC with PS4 games. Since PS5 will most likely be able to boost the performance of the PS4 client to 4K/60fps, is there any point in making a PS5 client?

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Because the PS4 client won't have the settings to run it at 4k/60fps? A PS5 client should be tuned to what the PS5 can do instead of the PS4.

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Originally Posted by Dreakon13

That being said... there's a reason you don't see PC exclusive games that truly make the most of that raw power.

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Yeah, you end up with the Crysis problem.

That's what I'm getting at is , I understand pound for pound a PC will have more brute power, but brute power isnt the end all be all of video games especially when the power exponentially more expensive for less that 5-10% increase in performance, that brute power is neccessary because of the lack of real optimization. Not to mention the ps5 like I mentioned will be 4k 60/fps 8k 30fps and fully VR capable right out of the box and all media will be 8k capable, how many PCs out there can do that on average? Now the PC is the limiting factor not to mention it will come with a SSD, that's better than 70% of all PCs and laptops out their combined then I also imagine the ps5 will be cheaper than 100% of all PCs that can do similar things. I mean to push all that power plus the equipment? Your talking top end GPUs already eclipse the starting price of a Ps5. Then you add in development and optimization and accessibility. Pound for pound a ps5 will have fewer limits than and PC game for the "average" consumer. Not everyone can run mods, of 144 at 10p fps so that point is moot, that's like saying because someone owns a honda civic that has 800rwhp all base model mustang's are shitty in comparison. The accessibility and over9 polish you will be getting in ps5 is going to severely limit PCs future especially with most manufacturers of PC parts reaching theoretical limits in chip sets.

So the ps5 will overall not be the limiting factor in ff14 future it will be the PC, the PC will be the one with to many variables and having to spec the lowest common denominator compared to plug and play ps5 and various other perks. Plus the ps4 can handle some pretty impressive shit , for as much shit at anthem gets its visually stunning even on an OG playstation.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

That's what I'm getting at is , I understand pound for pound a PC will have more brute power, but brute power isnt the end all be all of video games especially when the power exponentially more expensive for less that 5-10% increase in performance, that brute power is neccessary because of the lack of real optimization. Not to mention the ps5 like I mentioned will be 4k 60/fps 8k 30fps and fully VR capable right out of the box and all media will be 8k capable, how many PCs out there can do that on average? Now the PC is the limiting factor not to mention it will come with a SSD, that's better than 70% of all PCs and laptops out their combined then I also imagine the ps5 will be cheaper than 100% of all PCs that can do similar things. I mean to push all that power plus the equipment? Your talking top end GPUs already eclipse the starting price of a Ps5. Then you add in development and optimization and accessibility. Pound for pound a ps5 will have fewer limits than and PC game for the "average" consumer. Not everyone can run mods, of 144 at 10p fps so that point is moot, that's like saying because someone owns a honda civic that has 800rwhp all base model mustang's are shitty in comparison. The accessibility and over9 polish you will be getting in ps5 is going to severely limit PCs future especially with most manufacturers of PC parts reaching theoretical limits in chip sets.

So the ps5 will overall not be the limiting factor in ff14 future it will be the PC, the PC will be the one with to many variables and having to spec the lowest common denominator compared to plug and play ps5 and various other perks. Plus the ps4 can handle some pretty impressive shit , for as much shit at anthem gets its visually stunning even on an OG playstation.

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Even with the variables in PC. The Ps5 won't even compete with them. A PS4 is about 8-10 year old technology compared to an even an old PC built for gaming. And console is what changed FF14 drastically. Zones instead of open world, lower graphics etc.

As for price, never a valid argument since the price you pay now lasts far longer then any generation of console. A GTX 980ti is 4 years old, and still outperforms all consoles at same resolution with far superior FPS. A GTX 1070 nearly 4 years old, and even faster then a 980.

PC's built for gaming may have a large upfront cost, but their power lasts through the generations where as console struggles coming out of the gate. Even if you bring up driver conflicts, disparities etc.

On the whole console vs PC thing I prefer PC because of all it can do beyond just play the game. Like they usually come with mod support even if unofficial (which means console likely has a very poor or non-existent version of it), and when the console has official mod support the PC version is almost always vastly superior option then. Beyond that there is always modifications to your programs past standard mods, like telling that always online single player game or unwarranted tracking to go away. Both of those points also go to longevity of the game without having to repurchase it 8 times as companies are want to do, rather the modders will push the system as technology and their free time allows (the system, a pc, being grow-able vs you don't really get to mod your ps4 game to push out more than it already did the first time because it doesn't grow- going back to that awesome, sometimes very deep level, modding and evolving longevity). Easy multi tasking (dual monitor, browsing, etc, like I'm writing this while in the MSQ roulette). That and if you're willing to spend (more than a console) they're technically the more powerful option. Of course less cost effective lol, also harder for devs to optimize for- so "slightly better PC builds" are probably just as good or worse for similar games on consoles but vastly more powerful PC options (that cost 2x +) are obviously going to produce much better results. Also I like more diverse storefront options (not as beholden to one store).

On the PlayStation specifically I used to adore the PS but I'm not a fan of the censorship they're doing in recent times (more so than standard lol) and while it's nothing that'd make me hate the game itself (they're usually minor one or two off things here and there), I still don't want to encourage that when I can be just as well on my PC (sad I miss a few games but oh well). So I'll probably not get a PS5 and not out of lack of ability or interest in some of the games (am tempted) I just don't like their philosophy that they need to sanitize things (and I prefer to encourage companies that publish across multiple platforms anyways, I don't need a PC exclusive and I don't need a PS5/Xbone480 exclusive either). Although I'm okay with optional de-censorship patches and stuff (if the sanitation is optional, even if default- not that Sony is really doing that though), I just really don't like non-optional censorship. I'm not a kid and kids who are honestly influenced enough to require what you're censoring should probably not be playing the game in the first place then.

Finally away from some of the tangent points I saw and onto the main point originally of the thread lol, I think a pre-order bonus would be pretty cool. I'm not sure what, perhaps a discount or maybe some mog shop crysta or something could be neat. Would really hope it's not unique items or like that to the ps5 though (because I don't intend to play on console for this game, and also because of the above points lol), but still something would be neat. Get more players on the upgraded system for smoother experience and better free word of mouth (looks better, runs smoother, probably more likely other friends will see this smooth game and be more interested then). Also if the bonus isn't greater than the cost of buying the new license then they'll still make money and sony probably be happy too, maybe a partner deal could be struck.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Because the PS4 client won't have the settings to run it at 4k/60fps? A PS5 client should be tuned to what the PS5 can do instead of the PS4..

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It’s possible they could do PS5 patches like how they are doing with PS4 Pro

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Because the PS4 client won't have the settings to run it at 4k/60fps? A PS5 client should be tuned to what the PS5 can do instead of the PS4.

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They set FF14 to run the same / similar on all platforms. They're not going to overscale it for PS5 without doing so in a way other systems support.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Even with the variables in PC. The Ps5 won't even compete with them. A PS4 is about 8-10 year old technology compared to an even an old PC built for gaming. And console is what changed FF14 drastically. Zones instead of open world, lower graphics etc.

As for price, never a valid argument since the price you pay now lasts far longer then any generation of console. A GTX 980ti is 4 years old, and still outperforms all consoles at same resolution with far superior FPS. A GTX 1070 nearly 4 years old, and even faster then a 980.

PC's built for gaming may have a large upfront cost, but their power lasts through the generations where as console struggles coming out of the gate. Even if you bring up driver conflicts, disparities etc.

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The GPU is only one of the upfront cost, now you need another 1500 bucks worth of stuff and a ps4 pro is vastly superior to at minimum 50% of all PC players.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

The GPU is only one of the upfront cost, now you need another 1500 bucks worth of stuff and a ps4 pro is vastly superior to at minimum 50% of all PC players.

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I built a gaming PC for my Niece, that has a GTX 1060, 16GB of Ram, Ryzen 5 2600, Gaming Mobo, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Case, Power Supply, Speakers, Headphones. $1187 from Newegg building it myself, with her helping since was her birthday and x-mas present.

Take into account the launch price of the PS4 at $399, and a TV that can even use all the features being around $699. Price looks damned similar to me. Games are cheaper for her on PC as well, she can use her Xbox and PS4 controller on her PC by just plugging it in as well.

Now, make it a TV that can match a good monitors refresh rate AND a PS4 Pro. Yah... Over twice as much as her simple build I did for her...

Building a PC isn't as expensive as people think. People don't need a GTX 2080ti and a Threadripper X like I have with 64GB of memory and a Samsung CHG90 gaming ultra widescreen monitor.

But, if they had what I do, no console in the next ten years would match it.

If FFXIV does make its way to PS5, I do wonder if it'll take advantage of the system's power.

Absolutely no way. FFXIV will forever be limited by the lowest spec system it targets, and in this case it will be the vanilla PS4, which was released in 2013, a whooping 6 years ago.

I just don't see FFXIV drop PS4 support until maybe 2 or even 3 years into PS5.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

I built a gaming PC for my Niece, that has a GTX 1060, 16GB of Ram, Ryzen 5 2600, Gaming Mobo, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Case, Power Supply, Speakers, Headphones. $1187 from Newegg building it myself, with her helping since was her birthday and x-mas present.

Take into account the launch price of the PS4 at $399, and a TV that can even use all the features being around $699. Price looks damned similar to me. Games are cheaper for her on PC as well, she can use her Xbox and PS4 controller on her PC by just plugging it in as well.

Now, make it a TV that can match a good monitors refresh rate AND a PS4 Pro. Yah... Over twice as much as her simple build I did for her...

Building a PC isn't as expensive as people think. People don't need a GTX 2080ti and a Threadripper X like I have with 64GB of memory and a Samsung CHG90 gaming ultra widescreen monitor.

But, if they had what I do, no console in the next ten years would match it.

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How good is that monitor? Ssd? Quality M&K? Because a half decent one that can run 4k is gonna a dime, plus the GPU to run it. I could Google it but thats gonna put you well into the 2k+ mark. Where the ps5 will be 500-600 and people will already have 4k TVs for their media. Next what about VR capable and 8k media capable? You bought the bare minimum and that's why I am saying the ps5 will be better than your average PC user. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Accessibility, and price point per pound of graphical/processing power the ps5 and new xbox will be king unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Absolutely no way. FFXIV will forever be limited by the lowest spec system it targets, and in this case it will be the vanilla PS4, which was released in 2013, a whooping 6 years ago.

I just don't see FFXIV drop PS4 support until maybe 2 or even 3 years into PS5.

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The lowest spec system is not the ps4, Google the specs and you can still find budget laptops that people will be playing this game on.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

How good is that monitor? Ssd? Quality M&K? Because a half decent one that can run 4k is gonna a dime, plus the GPU to run it. I could Google it but thats gonna put you well into the 2k+ mark. Where the ps5 will be 500-600 and people will already have 4k TVs for their media. Next what about VR capable and 8k media capable? You bought the bare minimum and that's why I am saying the ps5 will be better than your average PC user. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Accessibility, and price point per pound of graphical/processing power the ps5 and new xbox will be king unfortunately.

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The PS4 nor PS4 Pro cannot do 4k though. They do scaling 4k which any PC can do as well, but not true 4k. It's a myth to believe such poor hardware even when optimized can expect to compete with a PC in the 4k area.

But to refute the argument entirely, you don't need a monitor for a PC. She actually switches to video output of her TV to play her games, and uses the monitor for her school work.

Anyone know if they announced when ps5 is scheduled to be released or have an idea, I'd like to know cause currently I got no clue.

Plus anyone know if The Last Of Us 2 is gonna be a ps5 exclusive or if it's coming out next year on PS4?

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

The PS4 nor PS4 Pro cannot do 4k though. They do scaling 4k which any PC can do as well, but not true 4k. It's a myth to believe such poor hardware even when optimized can expect to compete with a PC in the 4k area.

But to refute the argument entirely, you don't need a monitor for a PC. She actually switches to video output of her TV to play her games, and uses the monitor for her school work.

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We are talking about the ps5, that will be 4k true capable. And true 8k media upscaling. You cant compete with a PC for that price point, that's the whole point of this conversation to begin with, that the PC will soon be the limiting factor in Game development. The ps5 will be sufficiently powerful enough while everyone is running around with 1080p monitors. Not to mention VR and development of games around the SSD, something few people have.

So your saying that desktop can push true 4k at 60fps on the TV?

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

The lowest spec system is not the ps4, Google the specs and you can still find budget laptops that people will be playing this game on.

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I think maybe I've misrepresented my thoughts.

I wanted to say that on the console side, even when PS5 is released, PS4 will still be on the list of supported consoles. And since Square Enix insists on an equal experience across all platforms and on all hardware specs, it's likely that they won't make full use of PS5's powers, just like right now they don't make use of the full power of any reasonably mainstream gaming PC, because they "cap" their gaming experience on what a PS4 can provide on a Full HD resolution.

I just don't see them target anything significantly more powerful than the vanilla PS4 in the forseeable future. At least not until their player hardware data indicate to them that most of their console players are on PS5 already, which is probably like another 3-4 years away.

its going to be backwards ain't it so I don't see them making a ps5 edition.

unless they do then it would be AWESOME here's to hoping though.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

its going to be backwards ain't it so I don't see them making a ps5 edition.

unless they do then it would be AWESOME here's to hoping though.

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Again I think it’s mostly likely they will do a patch for PS5 probably allowing it to run at full 4k/60 FPS with maybe more settings turned on then a full brand new PS5 version