I'm not sure if the forum already talked about this(not scrolling through pages just to find it) or hoping if the mods reading this and sending it to the dev team.
Please...please change Reprise from a "Weapon Skill" to a "Ability". It makes absolutely no sense to have it as a WS, breaking the flow of your rotation just for 250 potency, sacrificing 5 mana. I don't even know what is the purpose other than to look flashy at a distance. It just the same as tether, it was a pointless thing to have in your hotbar for no reason, just wasting a space. If it was a ability(20sec or 30sec CD?), RDMs can weave it in their rotation, making it useful to their DPS.
It just something I want to point out.
Change on RDM's Reprise
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08-26-2019, 10:22 AMOsmondChange on RDM's Reprise
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08-26-2019, 10:39 AMKabooa
It's not a dps tool
It's an uptime tool. -
08-26-2019, 10:42 AMOsmond
Curious on when it's needed for uptime on situations in fights.
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08-26-2019, 10:47 AMOsmond
Nevermind, I start to understand it.
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08-26-2019, 12:59 PMWayfinder3That’s the problem, we needed another DPS tool. One that specifically allowed us to control our mana like MCH used to be able to control their heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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08-26-2019, 04:28 PMLeoLupinos
The thing is does RDM really need more mobility? Isn't dual cast super more than enough?
I don't like reprise. It does not feel like a lvl 70+ action. It does feel like a Lv 15 action from the majority of the other classes Lv 15 actions.
Learned it, and never used it. That's how much we needed this action.
I don't like Engagement too. Since Displacement just works when used within 5y, they should have changed it for if you use it 6y or more the action changes to not 15y-backstep, simple. No need to waste a action slot on it.
I was faithful when they released RDM with Stormblood, I thought they had the entire RDM design up to Lv 99 already done. I don't feel like it anymore.
I don't understand why they changed Impact, it was good as it was, a guaranteed "Verfire/Verstone".
Hated the AoE. They should have changed Verthunder and Veraero to this with a Lv 70+ trait: Hardcasted becomes the AoE variant; Under effect of Dualcast becomes the single target powerfull one. BOOM, 2 action slots free.
But why freeing so much action slots you ask me? To maybe get Verblizzard/Verwater, Dark?, More interesting melee action maybe? Chainspell? Something entirely unique to FF14's RDM? Aw the utopia... -
08-26-2019, 05:07 PMFernosaurQuote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
No, Dualcast gives you mobility every 2.5 seconds, but anything longer than that + Swiftcast you're screwed. Stormy Horizon comes to mind. With a rotation based on RNG, where your only continuous mobility option is the melee combo into Holy/Flare and Scorch, Reprise is the only reliable tool you have for movement, specially during progression. Or when a fight's mechanics would force you off the boss because there are two melee and you gotta handle ranged mechanics. -
08-26-2019, 05:21 PMMaelleRiouYes since you still have to hard cast to get Dualcast. If a red circle(or whatever shape) appears under you you often don't have time to hard cast before moving out of it so you can throw in a Reprise instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
And also any time that you need to move for more than 1 GCD. -
08-26-2019, 05:56 PMNaryoril
And if it were an ability and nothing else was changed it would pretty much mean +250 potency (more or less, depending on how much mana a skill gives) to all our skills and nobody would ever use the melee combo anymore since it would be a huge damage loss.
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08-26-2019, 07:24 PMDrayosimho Dual Cast mobility wise is over-estimated realistically, while BLMs is Assumed to be ALOT lower then it really is, BLM Imho while it requires More knowledge to use Properly has more Mobility then RDM.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
imho, I'd like to see Verblizzard and Verwater, they could simply be two OGCDs Verblizzard being a AoE OGCD and Verwater being a ST OGCD, giving us 4 OGCDs total,
imho i'd love to see RDM Get Melee attacks which Fueled Instant Casts and more, but i understand why this isnt a Thing, while i'd still Like to see More we can do Within our Melee Burst windows I cant really think of anything which wouldnt make the job More melee Faced then it is currently (which i beleive FF has 2 Jobs which Fit this idea more)
i cant see them changing RDMs playstyle during this expansion though, they've made 0 Notes of any major changes to Watch out for concerning the Job, so right now.. i'd just hope for Potency buffs to make the Job more worthwhile in competitive Play outside its First week of Content to be the team Rezzbot to experience mechanics faster :P -
08-26-2019, 08:05 PMSaberMaxwellNowhere near it. Any pantokrator style mechanic will force potency loss through downtime or reprise because once dualcast is up and we need to hardcast again, there's no guarantee we'd be able to greed that hardcast before the aoe trailing us explodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
The original concept for Reprise--that being 300p/2.2s--was fine. Since it was buffed it was okay. This is on a scale of Bad > Okay > Fine > Good > Amazing. The original iteration we saw was a potent control on mana in addition to mobility on the fly, but then they decided to mess with it. In its current state its an "oh no" button and an execution ability at best.Quote:
I don't like reprise. It does not feel like a lvl 70+ action. It does feel like a Lv 15 action from the majority of the other classes Lv 15 actions.
Learned it, and never used it. That's how much we needed this action.
I don't think any ability in this game literally changes effect based on distance, is a conditional like that even possible with SE's spaghetti code?Quote:
I don't like Engagement too. Since Displacement just works when used within 5y, they should have changed it for if you use it 6y or more the action changes to not 15y-backstep, simple. No need to waste a action slot on it.
The small control on RNG was nice, I agree.Quote:
I don't understand why they changed Impact, it was good as it was, a guaranteed "Verfire/Verstone".
RIP every RDM opener. Hardcasting the strongspells as a precast is probably one of the most potent parts of its opener.Quote:
Hated the AoE. They should have changed Verthunder and Veraero to this with a Lv 70+ trait: Hardcasted becomes the AoE variant; Under effect of Dualcast becomes the single target powerfull one. BOOM, 2 action slots free.
Verblizzard and verwater? Since in your dream RDM the aoe is still aero and thunder, what would blizzard and water do? Why would RDM cast Dark when not even BLM casts Dark? I've suggested a few chainspell types myself so I can't fault you for asking for chainspell, though I do wonder why you'd want chainspell when "dualcast is super more than enough"?Quote:
But why freeing so much action slots you ask me? To maybe get Verblizzard/Verwater, Dark?, More interesting melee action maybe? Chainspell? Something entirely unique to FF14's RDM? Aw the utopia...
My assumption would be that an oGCD Reprise would have a cooldown significant enough, or a potency low enough, to keep the incentive to melee combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naryoril
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08-27-2019, 12:28 AMRadicalPesto
A nice thing for Red Mage mobility would be if Scorch was its own button (instead of replacing Jolt) and finishing a melee combo up to Verflare/Verholy gave you a 30 second proc of "Scorch ready", that would enable you to use Scorch anytime the proc is up as a powerful instacast you could either use immediately, save for raid windows, or use in a pinch for mobility, akin to how Black Mage can hold to stacks of Polyglot so long as they don't overcap.
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08-27-2019, 01:11 AMJonnycbad
It's fine that reprise is "OK" imo. In E3S for example, there are brief moments where uptime is impossible briefly (stepping away temporarily during Temporary Current while arena is split into halves). There are a few other times during Savage content where melees either miss part of a GCD to do mechanics or miss positional (even sometimes with TN usage). That said, mages have nearly 100% uptime except for Pantokrator mechanics, which RDM historically had issues with. I think in O11S, RDM could slidecast if you were good, otherwise our "Reprise" back then was doing an unenchanted melee combo. It's some potency loss, but then again so is Ruin II, Scathe, Enpi, etc.
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08-27-2019, 02:11 AMKabooaI mean. That depends entirely on the time between aoe explosions and where you GCD rolls along them. On a 2.0 speed cast, there's definitely times you can do it, but you have to be spot on for your snapshot predictions (for the puddle targeting you) and slide casting (for getting to safety)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell
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08-27-2019, 03:43 AMKabooaI'll be honest and say Red Mage was among the least appealing of the 'trailer' shots. It's also probably going to be the last caster I level because it's just so unappealing from a class progression point. Nothing really changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayfinder3
I think a DPS tool that serves uptime and management is doable.
Reprise could have a scaling Mana cost (Say, 20% of current, minimum 5), with ramping potency based on said mana cost. There's the damage component. For the uptime component, have it grant Dualcast. The scaling mana cost provides a Mana dump when high, discourages continuous use, while the dualcast grant should aid greatly when dealing with Panto-style mechanics. -
08-27-2019, 04:27 AMArdoxProblem with that is burst/buff windows: You'll want to use Scorch with the highest buff of Embolden possible, and since you also want the enchanted melee combo and ver/finishers to be buffed too, you'll want to use Scorch right away anyway..Quote:
Originally Posted by RadicalPesto
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08-27-2019, 04:27 AMSaberMaxwellHence "no guarantee."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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08-27-2019, 04:39 AMKahnom
I’m no main Red Mage but while I was leveling it up to 80.
I never get a chance to use Reprise at all.
Well,I main Black Mage so when I have to move as Red Mage I just did some slide casting instead.
But if its long move then I just used Swiftcast.
So Reprise is kinda last resort skill for uptime,I guess. -
08-28-2019, 02:05 AMJandorPiercing Talon (PvP):Quote:
Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell
Delivers a ranged attack with a potency of 800. Potency increases up to 300% the farther away you are from the target.
Certain PvP skills do more damage based on distance to the target.
No ability changes entirely but turning the backstep effect off if you're already a certain distance away should be possible.