While I happy that scholars got back energy drain. I also like the way they tried to separate summoner and scholar. So I'm suggesting that they keep energy drains effect but just change it to leeches. Leeches to anyone who doesn't know or remember it was scholars's esuna. That's why I'm proposing this. So does anyone think this is a good idea?
Bring back leeches
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08-12-2019, 02:04 PMRobopecoBring back leeches
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08-12-2019, 02:15 PMDnc
Are you asking for Energy Drain's graphical effects to be changed to that of Leeches? Or turning Energy Drain into Leeches (ie. Esuna) but with Energy Drain's animation?
Or... Are you suggesting an additional effect for Energy Drain that would function as an esuna if used on a party member?
OR... Are you asking for Leeches to come back?
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. Energy Drain and Leeches have nothing in common. o.0 -
08-12-2019, 02:19 PMRufalus
I can agree with further differentiating sch from smn, although when I think about it leeches were used to treat ailments IRL so that name was more fitting for the esuna type move. When they get time maybe they could just use a new name for sch's dps aetherflow dump and new animation. Next expansion maybe :) Bringing back energy drain was just a reluctant quick fix they had to do.
a name change for energy drain topic, no change to effectQuote:
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. Energy Drain and Leeches have nothing in common. o.0
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08-12-2019, 07:09 PMBillythepancakeHonestly, I'm terrified that next expansion they're going to take ED away again, and this time, we're not going to get it back. And call my cynical, I dont think they'll give us a dps aetherflow dump next time to replace it either, it'll be something dumb like "excess aetherflow automatically turns into fairy guage" so they can say "what do you need ED for? Lmao"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
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08-12-2019, 07:28 PMHatstand
I don’t mind if they differentiate between SMN and SCH in terms of aesthetics. That said, I wouldn’t mind if they renamed all the moves “book-spell 1-whatever” and gave them different coloured glows as animations so long as they restored the feel of the class. Lots of classes have DoTs. Make Miasma into sting and Miasma 2 into swarm, to play into a fairy/insect aesthetic. Or call them rainbow sparkle and big rainbow sparkle and bane sparkle-spread for all I care.
I find it ironic that the loss of SCHs moves is sometimes referred to as a divorce with SMN. If this is a divorce, we need a better lawyer, since it seems that our spouse got the house, the car, the kids, the money, and the dentist. SMN lost no moves from ACN except Aetherflow/energy drain being rolled into one. SCH lost 2 straight up (miasma, bane), and we lose access to energy drain for 15 levels, and we effectively lose a pet action because both our pets are now identical. For all that we gain Aldo (and SMN gets fester as a unique move AND a third summon with a distinct move) and SMN loses nothing. -
08-14-2019, 11:35 AMWawachumeMan, I would love this. Arthropods are the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatstand
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08-16-2019, 08:14 PMRaiya
The Irony is Scholar had leeches and astrologian had its own version of this too. With the whole cross class skills becoming more and more redundant with combat classes Im suprised they dont just do away with them entirely and just have every job have exclusive skills.
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08-16-2019, 11:01 PMSlopranoIt's odd that they baked Esuna/Leeches/Exalted Detriment into a Role skill yet keep Ressurection/Raise/Ascend as they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiya
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08-16-2019, 11:27 PMHatstandI assume that was for SMN, since they share SCH’s Rez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloprano
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08-16-2019, 11:54 PMofficial_coconut
I would prefer more class-specific skills for those spells rather than cross class skills. It would make each job feel more unique.
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08-17-2019, 12:43 AMEloahYou've got it backwards though, it's not the SCH skill names that need to change it's the SMN ones. SCH's theme is combat medic, using poisons both offensively and defensively. Players have always stated that Arcanist fits better as a base for SCH over SMN, since they basically had the same theme. Had SE moved away from this by "renaming" their upgrade skills, similar to WHM, than I could see them moving away from that theme, sorta. But the fact that they have Art of War and Biolysis shows otherwise. Even Broil fits that motif, though not many people realize. It's not a "fire" spell, I'm throwing my "Flamboyant Speech" at the enemy and making them submit, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatstand
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08-17-2019, 10:30 AMHatstandCall me cynical but I can’t see SE ever taking something away from a dps class to give it to a healing class. Hence why SCH lost a bunch of arcanist moves while SMN keeps all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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08-17-2019, 11:38 AMBillythepancakeQuote:
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They even got to keep physick, which is literally worthless on them, but we couldn't keep the half a dozen useful abilities we had as ACN. -
08-17-2019, 06:38 PMEloahI wasn't meaning it as take things away, but when they upgrade. SMN spells should upgrade to skills that mimic summons. Like maybe upgrade the DoTs to something to represent Ramuh and Shiva; Surge and Rime maybe? On the flip side please have Ruin II upgrade to a different skill. It'll do the same thing but please purge the Ruin line from SCH already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatstand
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08-17-2019, 08:25 PMSlopranoQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
Hah, thanks for that headsup. All this time I've been thinking Broil, as you said, to cook or burn. Then it's very fitting along with Adoloquium, Lustrate and Excogitation. To a sense "Ruin" also works alongside "Biolysis" (had to look these up) as both refer to "breaking down" something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
There is some joy in the skillnames and I like the motif both as a scholar verbally both capable of making someone feel and fight better and also berate a monster so bad they take damage and fight worse. I imagine as we Broil the monsters hear something to the tune of "Your fighting is weak, uninspired and flat as a pancake." Then still capable of applying spells that slowly break them down over time on a cellular level. Why I liked Leeches as Scholar's debuff-remover.
For SMN, it feels weird they still got two dots on the same duration. Those could be made to make room for different primal effects. Momentarily summon someone to apply a spell: A Shiva ice spell, Ramuh lightning, Ravana slice, Bismarck body slam. -
08-18-2019, 03:03 AMEloahYeah, Broil in Japanese is 気炎法(kienho), which is a combination of the kanji for spirit, flame, and method/act (like the act of doing something). But the first two combine to make the word 気炎(kien) which means High spirits/big talk. So the transtalion for 気炎法 could be read as either a literal transtalion Spirit Flame Art, or Flamboyant Speech, the later of which fits with SCH's motif, but the former sounds like an attack, so it's a play on words in Japanese. They were able to do this in English too by using the word embroil, which means bringing someone into conflict, usually through speech. They were even able to keep the "flame" aspect, which is probably why the animation looks fiery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloprano
Now in English they just change the number, but in Japanese they change the first kanji, with Broil II being 魔炎法(maenho), and Broil III being 死炎法(shienho) with the kanji for spirit replaced with demon and death respectively. Unfortunately, 魔炎 and 死炎 aren't words on their own, but the series follows the same logic as most spells, were they change the ending (fire, fire, firaga, firaja), but in this case it's the first character that changes not the last. So it helps establish a theme, like your talks are getting more aggressive.
Funny thing, 炎(En) can also mean inflammation, and is used in several medical terms as well. That's why Japanese wordplay is so ammusing.
And yeah Ruin still fits but since it's more engrained in SMN I wish they'd fix it, it seems odd SCH having an Arcanist leftover. -
08-18-2019, 06:45 AMEloah
So I just "realized" that Art of War is 蠱毒法(kodokuho) and basically means poisoning art... WTH SE, I mean yay, but also, huh?
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08-18-2019, 10:34 AMWawachume
Yeah...when I want to poison everyone around, my first step is always to slam my fist into the ground. o.O