Will it help if Astro have slow Effect add to Gravity?

I'm curious.

Could be Heavy...

But isn't Heavy only reduce movement speed?....

Adding a Slow would make Gravity incredibly powerful actually. But I have a feeling it would never happen, since tanks already have Arm's Length. But I certainly wouldn't mind an additional effect on Gravity. Not sure how fitting it would be, but it could also increase the damage taken by the enemies by 3% for some seconds or something like that? With diminishing returns, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Dnc

Adding a Slow would make Gravity incredibly powerful actually. But I have a feeling it would never happen, since tanks already have Arm's Length. But I certainly wouldn't mind an additional effect on Gravity. Not sure how fitting it would be, but it could also increase the damage taken by the enemies by 3% for some seconds or something like that? With diminishing returns, obviously.

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But Arm's leng is 120s recast time and maybe it's better for tank to save it for knockback.. I guess..

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

But Arm's leng is 120s recast time and maybe it's better for tank to save it for knockback.. I guess..

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True, but at least when it comes to big pulls Arm's Length can be very useful for "mitigation" purposes. And I have a feeling the dev team doesn't want to diminish it's usefulness in those situations.

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Originally Posted by Dnc

True, but at least when it comes to big pulls Arm's Length can be very useful for "mitigation" purposes. And I have a feeling the dev team doesn't want to diminish it's usefulness in those situations.

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Then...Damage Down debuff for Gravity? maybe..

This is actually a very good idea, it would bring Gravity a little utility akin to Holy and would help to reduce the needed heal output for AST during large pulls. It might even be more useful than the old CO stun we used to have.

Don't let my negativity fool you though! I would LOVE to have Slow on Gravity. It would make sense. It would make the spell really powerful. Not as apowerful as Holy, since you'd only be slowing down the rate of damage taken by the tank and not completely stopping it for 6-7 seconds. That would be perfectly fine by me. And it might actually make Nocturnal Sect useful for dungeon pulls?

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

But isn't Heavy only reduce movement speed?....

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It would help anyway...
What makes more sense than a spell named Gravity causing a status called "Heavy"? lol

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

It would help anyway...
What makes more sense than a spell named Gravity causing a status called "Heavy"? lol

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Umm it mean it make monster move slower but it doesn't slow their attack. So...

It would be really helpful for both tank and astros to have some kind of CC with gravity.
I personally like to pop divination and sleeve draw lady/lord for the DPS to burn those big pulls. Would really help me to breathe if we got it.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

Umm it mean it make monster move slower but it doesn't slow their attack. So...

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Agreed. Heavy is borderline useless.

Kinda funny how Urianger has a Gravity spell he casts that inflicts Heavy and Slow. Really makes those big pulls you can do as Tank go easier.

I mean when you think about it, that would actually make perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

I'm curious.

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Actually, this does sound like a great idea. Gravity having a slow effect would be pretty cool, it would help with healing and even mitigation for Tanks in larger pulls dungeon wise. I don't think it has DR either, so it wouldn't effect tanks ability to use Arms Length on their own. Not Heavy though, save that for maybe a effect for PVP.

I kinda like the idea xD

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Originally Posted by Esp

Actually, this does sound like a great idea. Gravity having a slow effect would be pretty cool, it would help with healing and even mitigation for Tanks in larger pulls dungeon wise. I don't think it has DR either, so it wouldn't effect tanks ability to use Arms Length on their own. Not Heavy though, save that for maybe a effect for PVP.

I kinda like the idea xD

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Slow has diminishing returns like all CC effects. Go tank a Trust with Urianger as your healer. He applies a 15 sec slow with his gravity spell, which if you follow up with Arms Length you then get a 8 sec slow instead of a 15 sec one.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Slow has diminishing returns like all CC effects. Go tank a Trust with Urianger as your healer. He applies a 15 sec slow with his gravity spell, which if you follow up with Arms Length you then get a 8 sec slow instead of a 15 sec one.

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Will the duration go down below 8 secs if slow have been appiled a third time? Will a total of 27 secs enough for the big pull?

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

Will the duration go down below 8 secs if slow have been appiled a third time? Will a total of 27 secs enough for the big pull?

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I do not know, because Urianger does not actually cast it multiple times. That being said, 27 seconds of slow is more then enough time for a standard big pull with a standard group.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Slow has diminishing returns like all CC effects. Go tank a Trust with Urianger as your healer. He applies a 15 sec slow with his gravity spell, which if you follow up with Arms Length you then get a 8 sec slow instead of a 15 sec one.

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Aww, that does suck a bit. Either way, I still think the idea of having slow on Gravity is a nice one. (Especially if one of our trusts have it)

will it help if we overbuff astro again like in SB ? hell yeah, but not for poor whm ... how about no ?

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Originally Posted by Dynia

will it help if we overbuff astro again like in SB ? hell yeah, but not for poor whm ... how about no ?

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Ast's gravity have slow will affect whm in raid?

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

Ast's gravity have slow will affect whm in raid?

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AST and SCH arent allowed to have any buffs, even if they're small QoL changes according to them. WHM has to remain at the top, not because it was buffed there, but because the other 2 heals were dragged into the dirt.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

AST and SCH arent allowed to have any buffs, even if they're small QoL changes according to them. WHM has to remain at the top, not because it was buffed there, but because the other 2 heals were dragged into the dirt.

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you can't erase pain in 2 last expanions so easy, I will fight for WHM to don't get this pain again
its better for me if whm stay strong at least one expanion, SCH and ASTRO had thier time
well SCH is strong as ever too in terms of healing and numbers

like I said that before, after SB I lost all my patience ...

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

AST and SCH arent allowed to have any buffs, even if they're small QoL changes according to them. WHM has to remain at the top, not because it was buffed there, but because the other 2 heals were dragged into the dirt.

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Nothing in that live letter said that. All they said was that they're going to keep the current card ast system for now. Theres ways besides changing cards back to their sb versions they can buff ast, such as buffing their personal dps. And to be honest, once they got ED back scholar got what they needed, the only thing I can think of at this point is to fix the bugs with pet responsiveness.

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

Nothing in that live letter said that. All they said was that they're going to keep the current card ast system for now. Theres ways besides changing cards back to their sb versions they can buff ast, such as buffing their personal dps. And to be honest, once they got ED back scholar got what they needed, the only thing I can think of at this point is to fix the bugs with pet responsiveness.

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Wasnt speaking about the live letter friend, somebody was complaining that gravity having slow would make AST too op, this person also complains any time SCH/AST get any improvement that they needed. They complained after AST got potency boosts, that they desperstely needed to do their job.

AST AoE has range.
SCH AoE is PBAoE but instant cast.
WHM AoE is PBAoE but has stun.

Tradeoffs.

I would love if they give CO stun back instead or maybe slow on CO huh.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

AST AoE has range.
SCH AoE is PBAoE but instant cast.
WHM AoE is PBAoE but has stun.

Tradeoffs.

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the range hardly helps though, SCH can weave in 2 abilities with each AoW and WHM stuns leading to enemies doing no damage. AST has to completely stop and heal. Giving them a slow to help them mitigate some damage so they can heal a little less and dps a little more hardly comes off as OP.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

the range hardly helps though, SCH can weave in 2 abilities with each AoW and WHM stuns leading to enemies doing no damage. AST has to completely stop and heal. Giving them a slow to help them mitigate some damage so they can heal a little less and dps a little more hardly comes off as OP.

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Honestly, the fact that it is a targeted cast the worst part for me.
"Oh boy, my cast of Gravity is almost done! I cant wait to see the big damage~!"
"Oh no, the BRD killed it before my cast finished, now it just looks like Ive been sitting around not doing anything."
I have the same problem with the three magical DPS jobs too. I vastly prefer WHM and SCH AoE spells because of it.

The Cast for any AoE magic spell should be able to finish without a Target. I realize it's a coding issue but being able to finish casting an AoE dps spell on any mage class after the target has died would be a serious Quality of Life upgrade. Gravity did see a minor buff with the cast time reduction that I really appreciated. Now they can weave one ability in per cast which was a huge improvement. I can't wait for the next update to see if they are going to really dig in to improving the healers because so far this Role as a whole has been kind of lackluster in this expansion.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

the range hardly helps though, SCH can weave in 2 abilities with each AoW and WHM stuns leading to enemies doing no damage. AST has to completely stop and heal. Giving them a slow to help them mitigate some damage so they can heal a little less and dps a little more hardly comes off as OP.

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ok so when SCH got ED back, we want as WHM got something similar for ED for lilis spend... for balance sakes ...

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Originally Posted by Dynia

ok so when SCH got ED back, we want as WHM got something similar for ED for lilis spend... for balance sakes ...

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That's fair. I've expressed similar thoughts as well, WHM should have something to spend lillies on that isn't a heal.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

That's fair. I've expressed similar thoughts as well, WHM should have something to spend lillies on that isn't a heal.

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this may be 1st time you agree with me, that new (sarcastic post) :D

It should have been there from the start.

The spell is Gravity. The thing that weighs other things down.

I do agree, slow would be a great effect to put onto Gravity. It wouldn't solve ALL my problems with AST's current state, but I would be tempted to try it out again if my main AOE DPS spell had some extra utility (a'la WHM).

I wouldn't mind, but it'd never happen. SCH and WHM have to stand close to do their AoE, while us AST can cast AoE from a distance.

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Originally Posted by Evanoel

I wouldn't mind, but it'd never happen. SCH and WHM have to stand close to do their AoE, while us AST can cast AoE from a distance.

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WHM and SCh can keep their tank selected and instantly oGCD heal as needed. AST has to bounce selection between tank and target.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

WHM and SCh can keep their tank selected and instantly oGCD heal as needed. AST has to bounce selection between tank and target.

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Not as dangerous as having to stay so close to cast aoe but okay.

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Originally Posted by Evanoel

Not as dangerous as having to stay so close to cast aoe but okay.

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I don't really feel a sense of danger when I do Art of War. At worst I have to move for a couple of seconds and be unable to hit the ones that are still in the middle of a giant aoe.