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9 new dungeons was repeatedly said throughout Shadowbringers interviews.

What we got was 8 dungeons + 1 map 'dungeon' so technically no lie or false information.

So why is this an issue? Because as a playerbase we view these very differently and even the game classes them differently.

The playerbase know dungeons as 4 man content with 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps that can be queued through the duty finder the only exceptions have been CM and Praetorium.

Map 'dungeons' are separate to this due to them requiring an outside item, have rng if you can even enter and can be entered from 1-8 players.

They function very differently and are treated as such by the community, you even added a separate section in party finder for this, now this could just be the difference with how you as devs view things and how we view things but this is iffy information to give out, and i hope that you could be more clearer with what you are adding in the future.

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We got da damn dungeons didn't we?

And how many people would have said "eight dungeons? There's no way I'm buying this unless it has at least nine!"...?

The playerbase is notorious for making assumptions though and then are disappointed when something they thought was going to happen actually doesn't, or at least not in the way they expected.

So they didn't lie about 9 dungeons, but the issue is because 1 map is a Treasure Map Dungeon?
I think anybody upset wasn't paying attention.

I thought it was pretty obvious that a new map 'dungeon' would count as one. Like, why wouldn't it? It's still a dungeon.

Actually this is the 1st time SE themselves classed it as a dungeon, Aquapolis was not advertised as the 3rd dungeon in its patch nor was Hidden Canals advertised as the 9th dungeon for Stormblood, so yes i did assume that when they say 9 dungeons i think of the queuable df instances rather than maps so forgive me for that assumption because it is based on prior patterns whoopsie me.

Where on Earth did i say anything about people being hyperbolic to cancel subs or not play over a 4 man dungeon not being added over the map dungeon? O_o

SE for Shadowbringers have been bad with information that either suggest things that are different to how the community sees it based on prior patterns, the Viera reveal is another notable one.

When you hear dungeons does your mind go to stuff like Satasha, Mt Gulg etc or do you go to Hidden Canals/Lythe? So when they said 9 new dungeons oops silly me thinking we would have 9 of the former not 8 and 1 of the latter.

This isn't the end of the world or anything but it is eyebrow raising that they would lump a map 'dungeon' in with the main eight dungeons. Other than being instanced content they have little in common with the main dungeons. It'd be like lumping in the trials and raids to say '16 new dungeons!' It's an entirely separate type of content with different rewards and purpose.

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Yeah, it's a real post.

When you consider the fact we've been getting fewer and fewer dungeons in post-launch ".x" patches with every patch cycle so far (3 per in ARR for a total of 15, 2 per in HW for a total of 10, 1.5 per in SB for a total of 7) stuff like this looks like a blatant attempt to draw attention away from that fact (but ends up looking kind of bad to those of us who see right through it). It wouldn't surprise me anymore if each major patch in SB2 had just one new dungeon each, just to keep the trend alive.

We aren't in major post-launch patches with SB2 yet, but considering the precedent that previous xpacs have set along with trying to bill the treasure map thing as a proper dungeon (which it isn't -- and I don't think this was something they attempted to do with Aquapolis or Uznair, but correct me if I'm wrong there) it doesn't exactly paint a good picture.

I know I saw the nine dungeon thing on gaming sites, but did any official site mention an exact number? It's possible something got lost in translation, and other sites just seized onto it. That's been known to happen.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

I know I saw the nine dungeon thing on gaming sites, but did any official site mention an exact number? It's possible something got lost in translation, and other sites just seized onto it. That's been known to happen.

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It was mentioned once during a liveletter. I do not recall it being brought up by any official sources aside from that one time though. Pretty sure all other times it was mentioned was just people repeating it.