Monk Guide for Ifrit

Skills: Chameleon, Quelling Strike, Decoy, Keen Flurry, Invigorate, Blindside

Wait at back for the party's hate to build up for just a bit at the start. Pop Fists of Wind, Shoulder Tackle your way to iffy and then Spinning Heel til the timer runs out. Combo Pounce> Demolish> Keen Flurry/Blindside/Quelling Strike Howling Fist. Hit Invig right afterwards and combo Pounce> Sidestep for Suckerpunch> Dragonkick. Right afterwards your Howling Fist combo should be back up, unleash it again without keen flurry, and etc. Hit Chameleon every chance its up and always put Quelling strike on howling fist whenever you can. When iffy spawns nails, either attack the one closest to him or the one on the left side. If you do the left side, you wont get hit by seers so its a bit easier to recover for HF. Shoulder tackle to travel from nail to nail if needed. Once 2 nails are down, Run to the archer spot located on the left side a little further back from where the healer stands. There is a clear opening in case plumes come up, just like the mage spot in the back. Do not attack ifrit after nails are down, because you will eat a seers and might not survive HF. At this point, get as much hp up as you can, make sure you have + fire resist either from iffys claws or earring/necklace (Rubelite), and pop decoy before HF. You should have around 200hp afterwards, 2nd wind yourself to half health and hold back until you're rebuffed and regen'd for seers on iffy's last phase. Repeat DD steps and its dead.

Amazing thank you, i have yet to try Ifrit because i am so intimidated by players expecting me to know how to be good at this fight. This definitively helps.

What do you do to avoid the sears?

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Originally Posted by Tyro

What do you do to avoid the sears?

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Nothing? I think... You can try to time when to go in and out but will lead you to eat some cracks.

Decoy works on HF? >.>

Regen+2nd wind basically cancels out sears. And yes, decoy works on HF. It doesn't negate it, it just helps a little bit. Decoy is for ranged/magic attacks. HF is a magic attack.

whoa! I guess you tried this a lot?

Got my blade doing it. its not that hard once you get the hang of it.

the fact that decoy helps at all is news to me, especially as a cross-class ability.

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Originally Posted by Tyro

What do you do to avoid the sears?

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As was stated, Regen completely negates Sear. No reason for your WHMs to not be tossing it out on you or any other melee if your hp starts to dip slightly, it casts really quick and the recast is low.

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Originally Posted by homicidaltendancies

Got my blade doing it. its not that hard once you get the hang of it.

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congratulations!

Just to clarify after testing Decoy does NOT affect the actual damage output of Hellfire. Surviving the attack on 100hp isn't a feat as a MNK or other class, decoy won't go anywhere to helping that figure, even if you get the feeling it does.

Secondly, you are smarter to use Fists of Earth over Fists of Wind in the Ifrit fight as it is his massive elemental weakness and you gain boosted defence which will actually do something to help your survivability.

Feel free to throw it on and see your damage output sky-rocket ;)

With all this said though, when you factor in worthwhile skills etc, it's actually just smarter to PGL it and have sentinel, self-cures for emergency purposes during jump phases etc and general survivability over the MNK.

Uh... what? Ifrit is weak to Wind and you throw out WS's more quickly and can escape from eruptions much more easily with Fists of Wind up. That ability feels practically made for the Ifrit fight. Not to mention Defense doesn't protect against anything except for Claw swipes, which you won't be getting hit by unless you are tanking.

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Originally Posted by Ritsugamesh

Secondly, you are smarter to use Fists of Earth over Fists of Wind in the Ifrit fight as it is his massive elemental weakness and you gain boosted defence which will actually do something to help your survivability.

Feel free to throw it on and see your damage output sky-rocket ;)

With all this said though, when you factor in worthwhile skills etc, it's actually just smarter to PGL it and have sentinel, self-cures for emergency purposes during jump phases etc and general survivability over the MNK.

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Ifrit's elemental weakness is Wind. Study the elemental wheel of FFXIV.

Defense does nothing to reduce damage on any of the attacks you take from Ifrit as a DD. Everything is magic-based and only your fire resistance stat will help. The only physical attack he has is his swipe which hits only the tank. This is why players are able to do santa/reindeer/naked Ifrit runs. Defense means nothing.

FoW grants a massive reduction to WS cooldowns as well as a bonus to movement speed when Temple Boots are equipped.

When you factor in the massive boon of FoW, it's not beneficial at all to use PGL over MNK especially when the Ifrit strategy when using jobs is to bring down all of the infernal nails to greatly diminish Hellfire's potency rather than use Sentinel to survive it.

I seriously recommend actually entering the Ifrit fight and trying out FoE and FoW directly after each other and come back and tell me whether I'm right or wrong here - you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Originally Posted by Ritsugamesh

I seriously recommend actually entering the Ifrit fight and trying out FoE and FoW directly after each other and come back and tell me whether I'm right or wrong here - you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Sure I'll try it but even if FoE somehow does more damage than FoW, I would still prefer FoW because of the 40% cooldown reduction on all weapon skills and the 25% faster movement speed.

Agreed that FoW is a godsend on this fight if only for the movement speed.

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I gotta ask...... Is there any way to tell which is the front and back sides on the nails? I couldn't get the 3rd part off for the Pummel combo or get a back combo going either.

Thanks for the guide, I've been curious about this but seeing as I only really get to do Ifrit via pick-ups I doubt I'm ever going to get to use mnk in that fight /sulk

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Originally Posted by Relic

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I gotta ask...... Is there any way to tell which is the front and back sides on the nails? I couldn't get the 3rd part off for the Pummel combo or get a back combo going either.

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No idea, they always make me go thau but I'm curious about this too.

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Maybe this is common knowledge, but I gotta ask...... Is there any way to tell which is the front and back sides on the nails? I couldn't get the 3rd part off for the Pummel combo or get a back combo going either.

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If you have your chat log set to show your attack damage, it will tell you what side of the nail you are hitting when you use a WS (might also tell you on regular hits... not sure). If it doesn't work on regular hits use a quick-cooldown WS to test what side you are on (Fists of Wind helps out even more in this regard), it should only take 2 WS's to figure out its orientation.

It may feel like you wont have enough time if you do this but once you can combo it you can murder a nail really quickly all by yourself.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

If you have your chat log set to show your attack damage, it will tell you what side of the nail you are hitting when you use a WS (might also tell you on regular hits... not sure). If it doesn't work on regular hits use a quick-cooldown WS to test what side you are on (Fists of Wind helps out even more in this regard), it should only take 2 WS's to figure out its orientation.

It may feel like you wont have enough time if you do this but once you can combo it you can murder a nail really quickly all by yourself.

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Darn...I was hoping there would be some visual indicator on the nail that would mean the front/back, but I guess it's random?

Seems to be random, yes. There might be a way to tell if you analyze the model closely, I never actually took the time to analyze it.

I prefer PUG over MNK

Before we have WHM, stoneskin is the spell you need in order to move in front of Ifrit, seeing it doing a move that's not targeting you and unleash a front combo, without the risk of taking away half of your hp.
(in case the rear is cooling down or you simply want to look cool)

Simian Thrash + Stoneskin cancel on 3rd hit, you don't need to worry about jump and crack.
Used to have the need to cancel by pressing the button again.. but now you just need to hold a direction.
(In case Stoneskin is cooling down.. there's always Cure)

The only drawback is lacking some TP when compared to using a MNK, but preparing yourself whatever throwing weapons will allow you to store some TP even when the healers are too busy to take care of you, or when your hp just doesn't allow you to take the risk. Addition bonus, if you can react fast enough, there's a free hit whenever Ifrit jumps, before the target cursor disappears, while allowing you to move to the tank safely.

Anyways.. if you're playing in a party with a trustworthy healer who can take care of you,
MNK is more stable to the party as the damage dealing combos from the rear is good enough.
In the above front combo example, if you misjudged a crack targeting you and run to the tank,
your party will thank you for the quick finish.

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Originally Posted by Karleguarth

I prefer PUG over MNK

Before we have WHM, stoneskin is the spell you need in order to move in front of Ifrit, seeing it doing a move that's not targeting you and unleash a front combo, without the risk of taking away half of your hp.
(in case the rear is cooling down or you simply want to look cool)

Simian Thrash + Stoneskin cancel on 3rd hit, you don't need to worry about jump and crack.
Used to have the need to cancel by pressing the button again.. but now you just need to hold a direction.
(In case Stoneskin is cooling down.. there's always Cure)

The only drawback is lacking some TP when compared to using a MNK, but preparing yourself whatever throwing weapons will allow you to store some TP even when the healers are too busy to take care of you, or when your hp just doesn't allow you to take the risk. Addition bonus, if you can react fast enough, there's a free hit whenever Ifrit jumps, before the target cursor disappears, while allowing you to move to the tank safely.

Anyways.. if you're playing in a party with a trustworthy healer who can take care of you,
MNK is more stable to the party as the damage dealing combos from the rear is good enough.
In the above front combo example, if you misjudged a crack targeting you and run to the tank,
your party will thank you for the quick finish.

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lol Really?

It's called Fists of Wind. Everything about that buff makes MNK >>>>> PGL. All you need is a Regen on you from a WHM, which coupled with your Second Wind and the easy-dodging of Eruptions with the movement speed buff you have all the survivability you need.

I mean, you've got slower movement speed, no Wind to exploit his weakness, full cooldown of weaponskills versus 40% reduction, and no Shoulder Tackle for quick returns to Ifrit and the drawback you come up with is less TP generation?

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

lol Really?

It's called Fists of Wind. Everything about that buff makes MNK >>>>> PGL. All you need is a Regen on you from a WHM, which coupled with your Second Wind and the easy-dodging of Eruptions with the movement speed buff you have all the survivability you need.

I mean, you've got slower movement speed, no Wind to exploit his weakness, full cooldown of weaponskills versus 40% reduction, and no Shoulder Tackle for quick returns to Ifrit and the drawback you come up with is less TP generation?

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Don't forget the added TP generation using Spinning Heel. Dragon Kick is an amazing WS to use while Howling Fist is down, too. Also MNK looks way cooler than PGL which should be enough reason for everyone.