Suggestion regarding L I M I T B R E A K

Hello fellow FF Community!.

I have a short but maybe not so bad suggestion:

How about a instanced Area (accessable by all players solo) where you have Limit Break 3 and can literally do it for /gpose / Screenshot purposes? It's not a NEEDED thing, but I would consider it a very good possiblity to get some fancy screenshots goin =)

Lemme know what you think on that!

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Originally Posted by Lodorion

Hello fellow FF Community!.

I have a short but maybe not so bad suggestion:

How about a instanced Area (accessable by all players solo) where you have Limit Break 3 and can literally do it for /gpose / Screenshot purposes? It's not a NEEDED thing, but I would consider it a very good possiblity to get some fancy screenshots goin =)

Lemme know what you think on that!

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Rather than create a special area, I think it's more reasonable to ask that they just add it to the gpose menu as a feature. It'll just play the limit break for the job you have equipped. (Have it grayed out for jobs without LB).

I'm not entirely fussed on the design behind limit breaks anyway, considering historically in FF games limit breaks were on a per-character basis, and didn't need specific numbers of people in the group to charge a limit break up so that one person only could use it. But hey, that's how it is so I've come to accept it. Just a little rant there, I guess. On topic though, designing some way to be able to show off a limit break in a /gpose or something, it's a very good idea imo. They're very flashy and very cool, so being able to utilize them in posed screenshots would be a welcome addition.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

I'm not entirely fussed on the design behind limit breaks anyway, considering historically in FF games limit breaks were on a per-character basis, and didn't need specific numbers of people in the group to charge a limit break up so that one person only could use it. But hey, that's how it is so I've come to accept it. Just a little rant there, I guess. On topic though, designing some way to be able to show off a limit break in a /gpose or something, it's a very good idea imo. They're very flashy and very cool, so being able to utilize them in posed screenshots would be a welcome addition.

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To be fair, it's not like past games have been consistent with it either.

FFVI had 'desperation attacks' that could sometime proc when doing normal attacks at low health. FFVII had a bar build up over time that replaced your normal attack that you could hold onto between battles. VIII had them proc at low health (or a certain buff status) with an rng chance leading to a lot of mashing the triangle button to get them to go off. IX was similar to VII except your trance activated automatically and couldn't be saved between battles. X was similar to IX except you could save it for later battles.

Though I will admit I like FFXIV's system more in theory than in practice. The idea of using it for dps, heals or defense depending on the situation is neat, but it mostly actually means:

Tank is useless except when it's mandatory or used to cheese a mechanic like Byakko EX.
Healer 1/2 is useless and 3 is your 'oh crap' button when the party's gonna wipe.
And in all other situations dps is best. Though IMO they should change it so that aiming lb hits harder than casting lb, since you have to actually aim it to hit multiple targets where as casters just click the circle on the ground.

I like the idea of a party wide mechanic though it would be nice to have more reason to use tank/healer lbs outside of situations where you're gonna wipe if you don't.

Wouldn't need such a thing if we could get limit break 3 solo, just go fight ifrit extreme and ez level 3

I would love this personally since I am a Dancer. I have not seen and will likely never see my own Limit Break 3 if I can't have something like this.

Would be great just to see and appreciate them without everyone dying or dead lol in panic mode

A feature within gpose itself sounds ideal. However, it would be incredibly epic to take a lb selfie with suzano and the group.

I kinda just wish our LB were individualized during fights. So twoards the end of the last like 5% all the dps unleash their level 3 LB and boom everyone has fun with their ability for their Job. Dps not helping the healers much by avoiding things? bust a tank one mid fight to help out the group for extra breathing room. Got a boss that has doom mechanic forcing a 4 players to be dead at a single point? well our healers LB is ready can alternate when needed.

The thing is though, players don't realize weaponskills were originally intended to actually be FFXIV's version of Limit Breaks. They originated in FFXI where you had a basic auto attack and had to more or less just sit there trading blows with the enemy til you built up enough TP (100% in FFXI) where you could then let rip with a weaponskill (making it rather like FFVII's Limit Break system). And because the original version of FFXIV (1.0) was produced by the same guy (Hiromichi Tanaka, who also produced FFIII), FFXI's system was varied and reused in FFXIV, this time the TP required to use a weaponskill was far less and thus you could use them more frequently.

This changed after Tanaka left following 1.0's disasterous development and launch and Yoshi took over, resulting in ARR where you no longer had to gradually build up TP, but had 1000 TP ready to go and would slowly regenerate it over time (the reason for this is players were complaining about how slow 1.0's battle system was and wanted it to be faster and flashier like battle in 1.0's opening movie). And the culmination of this is now with SHBs TP has been completely scrapped and weaponskills can be spammed to your heart's content (some being given a MP cost instead as a concession to resource management).

This is also why the actual Limit Break system added with ARR in trials and dungeons is party wide. It's meant to be a literal desperation attack and not something for a single player to spam (because you were meant to have weaponskills for that). It's possible SE may continue to refine the Limit Break system, but I doubt it will be made purely unique and independent for each player.

I liked to think of Misery's End as a player limit break when we still had it on bard :D, RDM's Verholy/Verflare/scorch also feels like a mini LB

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The thing is though, players don't realize weaponskills were originally intended to actually be FFXIV's version of Limit Breaks. They originated in FFXI where you had a basic auto attack and had to more or less just sit there trading blows with the enemy til you built up enough TP (100% in FFXI) where you could then let rip with a weaponskill (making it rather like FFVII's Limit Break system). And because the original version of FFXIV (1.0) was produced by the same guy (Hiromichi Tanaka, who also produced FFIII), FFXI's system was varied and reused in FFXIV, this time the TP required to use a weaponskill was far less and thus you could use them more frequently.

This changed after Tanaka left following 1.0's disasterous development and launch and Yoshi took over, resulting in ARR where you no longer had to gradually build up TP, but had 1000 TP ready to go and would slowly regenerate it over time (the reason for this is players were complaining about how slow 1.0's battle system was and wanted it to be faster and flashier like battle in 1.0's opening movie). And the culmination of this is now with SHBs TP has been completely scrapped and weaponskills can be spammed to your heart's content (some being given a MP cost instead as a concession to resource management).

This is also why the actual Limit Break system added with ARR in trials and dungeons is party wide. It's meant to be a literal desperation attack and not something for a single player to spam (because you were meant to have weaponskills for that). It's possible SE may continue to refine the Limit Break system, but I doubt it will be made purely unique and independent for each player.

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The bolded part makes me think that the better suggestion then, in tandem with OP's wishes, is to simply have the lb animation as a feature in gpose.

You cannot gather Limit Break 3 solo, you need 8 People for 3 bars. 4 People for 2.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The thing is though, players don't realize weaponskills were originally intended to actually be FFXIV's version of Limit Breaks. They originated in FFXI where you had a basic auto attack and had to more or less just sit there trading blows with the enemy til you built up enough TP (100% in FFXI) where you could then let rip with a weaponskill (making it rather like FFVII's Limit Break system). And because the original version of FFXIV (1.0) was produced by the same guy (Hiromichi Tanaka, who also produced FFIII), FFXI's system was varied and reused in FFXIV, this time the TP required to use a weaponskill was far less and thus you could use them more frequently.

This changed after Tanaka left following 1.0's disasterous development and launch and Yoshi took over, resulting in ARR where you no longer had to gradually build up TP, but had 1000 TP ready to go and would slowly regenerate it over time (the reason for this is players were complaining about how slow 1.0's battle system was and wanted it to be faster and flashier like battle in 1.0's opening movie). And the culmination of this is now with SHBs TP has been completely scrapped and weaponskills can be spammed to your heart's content (some being given a MP cost instead as a concession to resource management).

This is also why the actual Limit Break system added with ARR in trials and dungeons is party wide. It's meant to be a literal desperation attack and not something for a single player to spam (because you were meant to have weaponskills for that). It's possible SE may continue to refine the Limit Break system, but I doubt it will be made purely unique and independent for each player.

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Should take those suggestions to the respective topics then, all I wanted to suggest in this topic is the LB3 Animations for Gpose or somewhat^^

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I would love this personally since I am a Dancer. I have not seen and will likely never see my own Limit Break 3 if I can't have something like this.

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Well I've only seen the 2LB and there my dancing kitty suddenly pulled out 2 Crossbows (where did she get those?!) and went all "Desperado" with her confetti arrows.
Is the 3 LB shared too or unique to every class?

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Well I've only seen the 2LB and there my dancing kitty suddenly pulled out 2 Crossbows (where did she get those?!) and went all "Desperado" with her confetti arrows.
Is the 3 LB shared too or unique to every class?

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1 and 2 are always shared by roles (tank, healer, melee, ranged, caster). 3 is always the unique one. Which is why it's mostly really the only one anyone cares about getting to see/use in this manner.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Well I've only seen the 2LB and there my dancing kitty suddenly pulled out 2 Crossbows (where did she get those?!) and went all "Desperado" with her confetti arrows.
Is the 3 LB shared too or unique to every class?

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Hehe in 4 Years i only used LB 3 with my Healers sometime.
Think a lot times in Royal Menagerie at Stormblood Release because a lot of Players liked to fly from the Platform.
But yes every Job has his own unique LB3.

OP you could freely use limit break in pvp if you want. :p

In wolfens den to be exact, you could generate adrenaline bar and use LB at the dummies.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I would love this personally since I am a Dancer. I have not seen and will likely never see my own Limit Break 3 if I can't have something like this.

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Just do what I do: steal it from the melee in 24-mans. :D

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Well I've only seen the 2LB and there my dancing kitty suddenly pulled out 2 Crossbows (where did she get those?!) and went all "Desperado" with her confetti arrows.
Is the 3 LB shared too or unique to every class?

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LB3 is unique to each class. You will only see it in content with 3 LB bars—8-mans and 24-mans, specifically.

Would be nice if they just didn’t tie limit breaks to the number of party members.
It sucks when you get a disconnect and lose an LB3 because of it.

Just have 2 bars available in Dungeons, and 3 bars available in Trials/Raids.
Then, you could have 1 bar available whenever, in a light party or even solo. It would fill slower when solo of course, meaning you’d very rarely be able to use it, but it’d be a bonus option and useful for adding some variety to solo duties.
And when solo, your LB1 could have your LB3 animation.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Just do what I do: steal it from the melee in 24-mans. :D

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Thats what I did. Went into WoD and dumped my DNC LB3 all over Cloud of Darkness. Considering how easy that fight is its the perfect place for checking out LB3s without some jerk whining about it.

Though on that note I've only ever seen someone whine about LB usage on a low dps Bismark group, when they called for LB no one was stepping up so I went screw it and used it on my MCH. Guy went all passive aggressive about how it wasn't a melee one. I mean, I agree, it should've been melee, but a ranged LB is better than no LB and we got the kill anyway... Some people, yeah?

I love how this thread has been a fantastic example of people only reading the title of the thread rather than thinking about what the OP is suggesting.

Also yes, it does need to be a gpose option. An actual instance for it though, I'd say only if it's the best way of making it happen.