Changes to The discipline of Magic, and the addition of a new class.

Here is a old suggestion I had. I still stand by my point that the Disciplines of magic are too similar and should receive massive adjustments plus a new class to make them more different from each other. I believe now is the best time to do it because the game has a low population so its like we are still in beta, plus it would work more with the one job system SE currently has planned. CON can get Black mage, CLE White mage, and THM dark knight/mage ?
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I think SE made the Disciplines of magic too similar, I think they should adjust each class to make them more unique. In addition I will introduce 1 new class to Fill in the spaces where I believe it would fit in with the magic school.

Conjurer
I feel like some spells don't make sense with Conjurers since they are elementals magic users. A example of this is the spell "Cure" which is light based, so I will remove some spell from there list that don't seem to fit. This class would be most similar to a Geomancer, or a black mage using elemental spells.

Role
-Magic Type:Elemental (MP)
-Role: Damage Dealer

New Skill List
*Elemental Dart (Name change for Spirit dart.)
R1 Aero,Fire,Stone,Aero,Thunder,Blizzard
R2 Trance Chant
R4 Stoneskin
R6 Shock Spikes
R8 Burn
*R10 Natures Roots (Replacement for Radiance.)
R10 Profundity
R10 Drown
R12 Chock
R14 Soughspeak
R14 Frost
R16 Rasp
R16 Aero II,Fire II,Blizzard II,Thunder II,Water II, Stone II
R18 Shock
R20 Elemental Shroud
*R22 Metamorphosis (Name change for Purge)
R24 Resonance
R26 Stoneskin II
R28 Shock spikes II
R30 Fast cast
R30 Levinbolt
R30 Burn II
R32 Profundity II
R34 Drown II
R36 Chainspell
R38 Choke II
R40 Nature's Fury
*R40 Tier III nukes
R42 Ancient Magic (With Changed effect + Animation)
R42 Frost II
*R44 Metamorphosis II
R46 Rasp II
*R46 Terrian Tap (your environment gives you a bonus for the spells of the appropriate element.)
*R48 Elemental Auras: (Buffs that change the element environment around you.)
R50 Shock II
R50 Levinbolt II
R50 One With Nature
R50 Soughspeak II
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Thaumaturge
[I]I think this class should focus on DOT and debuffs, so for the additional of the new class some skills will be changed and some will be removed, also I think the Idea of a "Blood mage" is pretty interesting so I will also put some suggestions to improve THM HP use for magic.[I]

Role
-Magic Type: Dark/Light (MP/HP mix mage)
-Role: Debuffs/DOT

Suggestion
The same way mages can make spells AOE I suggest to add another option for THM under the aoe option to allow the usage of HP for spells instead of MP. Of course if the THM HP goes to 5% or less you can no longer cast spells with HP to not kill yourself, and for spells that are a mixture of HP + MP make it stronger when the THM only uses HP. (THM only)

New Skill List
Phantom dart
R1 Banish,Scourge
*R2 Blood Rite (Converts a percent of your HP to MP)
R4 Sacrifice
R6 Poison
R8 Gravity
R8 Slow
R10 Damnation
R10 Punishing Barbs
R12 Bio
R12 Dia
R14 Dark Seal
R16 Banish II + Scourge II
R18 Absorb spells
R20 Sacrifice II
R20 Silhouette
R22 Stygian Spikes
R22 Initiation
R24 Bind,Paralyze,sleep,Silence
*R26 Aspir:Name change for Siphon MP.
*R26 Siphon:Name change for Siphon TP.
R26 Drain
R28 Poison II
R30 Firm Conviction
R30 Flashfreeze
R30 Paradigm Shift
*R32 Confuse:Makes the enemy run away from you for a short duration or till attacked.
*R34 Mana rite:Converts a percent of your MP to HP.
R36 Bio II + Dia II
R38 Absorb spells II
*R40 Banish III + Scourge III
R40 Emulate
R40 Shadowfall
*R42 Ancient magic
-Holy: Deals massive holy damage to the enemy plus DOT of light.
-Ultima: Deals massive dark damage to the enemy plus DOT of dark.
R42 Stygian Spikes II
R44 Shadowsear
R46 Dark Seal II
*R46 Bind II,Paralyze II,sleep II,Silence II
*R48 Aspir II,Drain II,Siphon II
R50 Sacrifice III
R50 Contagion
R50 Flashfreeze II
R50 Transcendence
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Cleric
This is the main healer of the game most of the spells effects removed are going to this class, the reason I added this class is because I believe currently with the classes of the Discipline of magic we have some spells just don't fit with the current classes. Plus it will make each class more unique in there own roles and make each class feel different and not the same, while still offering the same freedom with the armory system. It can also offer some great lore about the Cleric following a more holy route unlike there Thaumaturge brothers.

Role
-Magic Type:Light/holy (MP/TP mage)
-Role:Healer,HOT,Buffer
-Similar to how Thaumaturges are blood mages by using HP to power up spells, this mage focuses on TP and magic.
-AOE:Magic cone is frontal like THM.

Weapons
Grimoires or Rods

Guild
-For the Guild I think that SE already made a perfect location for it, and thats the church in Ul'dah.

Skills
R1 Spirit Dart
R1 Cure + Regen (Heals HP over time without HP cost)
R2 Devotion (Recovers some MP)
R4 Poisona
R6 Repose
R8 Protect
R8 Shell
R8 Blindna
R10 Radiance
R10 Divine Blessing: Your next Healing spell will give a weak stoneskin effect.
R12 Paralyna
R14 Divine Seal: increases the strength of your next healing spell.
R16 Cure II + Regen II
R16 Silena
R18 Vigil: Raises Magic Defense
R18 Focus: Raises Magic Attack
R18 Faith: Raises Mind
R18 Insight: Raises Piety
R18 Bravery: Raises Vit
R18 Rage: Raises Attack
R20 Sleepna
R20 Raise
R20 Blinding Light: Launch a holy attack, dealing damage to the target and reducing its ACC. Damage type varies with equipped arm.
R22 Purge: Removes a random Debuff
R24 Refresh (MP regen)
R24 Regain (TP regen)
R26 Spiritbind
R28 Protect II + Shell II
R30 Divine Veil: Cut duration of all Debuffs by halve, including Weakness.
R30 Supernova: Deals a Heavy Light based damage, that stuns the enemy.
R30 Roaming Soul
R32 Reraise: If killed this buff gives you the option to raise yourself.
R34 Divine Blessing II
R36 Vigil II: Raises Magic Defense
R36 Focus II: Raises Magic Attack
R36 Faith II: Raises Mind
R36 Insight II: Raises Piety
R36 Bravery II: Raises Vit
R36 Rage II: Raises Attack
R38 Raise II: Hafe the time of regular Raise
R40 Cure III + Regen III
R40 Rapture: 3 Hit light based attack
R40 Benediction: Uses all your TP to heal your teammates.
*R42 Ancient magic
Rebirth:Sacrifice yourself to revive all your party members.
R44 Blinding Light II: Launch a holy attack, dealing damage to the target and reducing its ACC. Damage type varies with equipped arm.
R46 Protect III + Shell III
R48 Refresh II (MP regen)
R48 Regain II (TP regen)
R50 Repose II
R50 Purge II: Removes 2 random debuffs
R50 Supernova II
R50 Divine Knowledge (increases your affinity with Cleric-actions by 10, up to a maximum of 100.)
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Now I know some players would be mad that they been playing CON and wanted to be a Healer, but this change would have more good than bad, plus that progress on CON is not lost you still gain some useful skills that could provide some use for CLE.

i dunno... Cleric sounds exactly like the kind of mage i would not want to play.
I did like the more aggressive approach SE had on the mages.

Instead i would like to have Summoner, Geomancer, Necromancer

So.... you want to make sacrifice kill me when I raise some one, and for this awesome bonus I have to wait until I am even higher in rank? What good does it do to kill someone to raise another, there are just as many dead people in the party.

I do agree the biggest issue with the current classes is the DoM, they could easily be 3-4 different classes.

Its to fit more with the theme of the class, and to make Clerie the best at reviving. in addition let say your tank dies, you are sacrficing yourself for the team.

I'm interested to see what will happen with the Archanist and Mystic (guessing the class name.) Both guilds exist. I wonder how Nald is going to fit into the story.

There needs to be more than one flavor of high level healing spell.

I'd prefer if the next magic based class was something like Mimic being used as a branching point to be the way they implement Blue Magic into the game. And instead of it being Cone, or Circle Magic AOE it can be Line of Sight hitting everyone between you and your target for the spell. but unlike cone that spreads wide or Circle that just hits in one large area.

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Its to fit more with the theme of the class, and to make Clerie the best at reviving. in addition let say your tank dies, you are sacrficing yourself for the team.

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With the current system, that would be no benefit. Who cares if the tank has to run back from the crystal, or the mage? Maybe if the tank had no weakness, then I could see it maybe be worth while.

Would be more interesting to have an instant raise that use 50% of each party member to revive someone. That would be fun risk/reward in a battle. Have to time it right for the healer to be ready to heal the party, and the tank would be back in action instantly. Just not a fan of the trading 1 dead member for another. my .02

A huge change I always wanted done to the DOM is the elmination of the AOE effect or at least change it. The multiple confirmations it requires is boring and a waste of time. Also while it would be something everyone would complain about, it would give more spells to the game to have both single and aoe spells. More thought would have to be put into your equipping of actions, as you would have to decide if you want that aoe fire or single fire or both on your bar.

Or just change it to more classic ff AOE setting. If you want aoe on fine, but it halves the effectiveness of the spell. The first day I tried using aoe I was amazed that they did it the way that they did. You would be able to decide if you want a group cure, or a stronger single target cure and would actually provide a bit of thought to healing, though it still would be painfully simple.

I also kind of feel left out being a mage and not really having much use for tp. Theres the lowbie skills, an aoe attack and a part damage skill between both mages, I always thought it would be neat to have some kind of different heal as a tp skill, or have spells generate tp and some spells cost tp.

*UPDATE Original Post*
-Added a comment on the top of the OP (On my theory of balancing cross use of skills)
-Improve details on Cleric class
-Changed a couple of things to the adjustments of the other classes.

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i dunno... Cleric sounds exactly like the kind of mage i would not want to play.
I did like the more aggressive approach SE had on the mages.

Instead i would like to have Summoner, Geomancer, Necromancer

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I agree I would also love a Pet class in the future, and Geomancer is basically Conjurer they just need to add more traits for Conjurer that focus on the environment in the future. Necromancer is basically currently Thaumaturge without the pet they could however in the future add pets to Thaumaturge or find a way to make undead pets unique. The point is this class mostly is a buffer, healer which is a role I think should be a class of its own. Just how the armory system teaches you new things, each class should teach you different magic and that where Cleric come in they are the healers/buffers. In additional it would add the most needed Diversely to the current mage classes because currently they are just basically the same.
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So.... you want to make sacrifice kill me when I raise some one, and for this awesome bonus I have to wait until I am even higher in rank? What good does it do to kill someone to raise another, there are just as many dead people in the party.

I do agree the biggest issue with the current classes is the DoM, they could easily be 3-4 different classes.

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I adjusted the effect of the spell sacrifice and made the older version into Resurrect. In addition I improved the effect. Anyways to the point as said in the OP the main point of this would be for Emergencies. Let say this example your whole party is dead your the last one alive with 10HP, you cast this on the tank he revives with Full HP no weakness making it pretty useful.
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Cairdeas

I'd prefer if the next magic based class was something like Mimic being used as a branching point to be the way they implement Blue Magic into the game. And instead of it being Cone, or Circle Magic AOE it can be Line of Sight hitting everyone between you and your target for the spell. but unlike cone that spreads wide or Circle that just hits in one large area.

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I agree 100% with you I love Blue mage and am all for it, but I suggested this class first because since the game is still in its early stages it can still be possible to add this class unlike in the future when they already start adding new spells, and balance everything out. Now as for Blue mage its Monster skills so there will always be the possibility to add the class. I was gonna suggest that one too but since I don't know all the mobs abilities I decided to skip it.
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With the current system, that would be no benefit. Who cares if the tank has to run back from the crystal, or the mage? Maybe if the tank had no weakness, then I could see it maybe be worth while.

Would be more interesting to have an instant raise that use 50% of each party member to revive someone. That would be fun risk/reward in a battle. Have to time it right for the healer to be ready to heal the party, and the tank would be back in action instantly. Just not a fan of the trading 1 dead member for another. my .02

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I adjusted the raise spell, and thats pretty interesting taking the other party members HP to raise another member but I decided not to add it, since some players would not be happy about you taking there HP to revive another member especially in battle.
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Choc

A huge change I always wanted done to the DOM is the elmination of the AOE effect or at least change it. The multiple confirmations it requires is boring and a waste of time. Also while it would be something everyone would complain about, it would give more spells to the game to have both single and aoe spells. More thought would have to be put into your equipping of actions, as you would have to decide if you want that aoe fire or single fire or both on your bar.

Or just change it to more classic ff AOE setting. If you want aoe on fine, but it halves the effectiveness of the spell. The first day I tried using aoe I was amazed that they did it the way that they did. You would be able to decide if you want a group cure, or a stronger single target cure and would actually provide a bit of thought to healing, though it still would be painfully simple.

I also kind of feel left out being a mage and not really having much use for tp. Theres the lowbie skills, an aoe attack and a part damage skill between both mages, I always thought it would be neat to have some kind of different heal as a tp skill, or have spells generate tp and some spells cost tp.

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I agree with making AOE spell version being weaker that way there will be more tactic to using the single and AOE version of spells. I also agree with the TP mage idea since there a plain MP mage, a blood mage MP/HP, but no TP mage so I added that aspect to the original idea.
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Anyways I adjusted the OP check it out :D , also if you have any feedback or ideas just post it :D .

Some very nice ides and I like it to be honest, they have 2 guilds ? right now that seem magic like, if they this it would make Conjurer and Thm be subpar healers, then you could make Conjurer the more BLM type and Thm the more RDM type, add this class you got a Whm type then a fourth to be the Blu type and BAM the game is good and more like XI and works with the class names.

I like this Cleric idea.

exactly the discipline of war don't have this problem because there main function is there weapon and role, plus the discipline of the hand and land are all different so they don't suffer from the identity crisis either. The only ones that really have a identity problem is the magic classes. Now I know that you can mix and match anything which will bring the same problems, but that why I put my suggestion of the limitation system. As for Blue mage I believe its very possible to also add them very easily since monsters already have the animation for monster skills. maybe the only thing needed would be more monster skills to add more variety. Anyways very soon I will add a Blue mage type job to the suggestion. (still looking for a good name to fit the current naming scheme. let me know which one you guys think would fit best.)

-Mimic (Cairderes name for the class)
-Illusionist
-magician
-Animator

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exactly the discipline of war don't have this problem because there main function is there weapon and role, plus the discipline of the hand and land are all different so they don't suffer from the identity crisis either. The only ones that really have a identity problem is the magic classes. Now I know that you can mix and match anything which will bring the same problems, but that why I put my suggestion of the limitation system. As for Blue mage I believe its very possible to also add them very easily since monsters already have the animation for monster skills. maybe the only thing needed would be more monster skills to add more variety. Anyways very soon I will add a Blue mage type job to the suggestion. (still looking for a good name to fit the current naming scheme. let me know which one you guys think would fit best.)

-Mimic (Cairderes name for the class)
-Illusionist
-magician
-Animator

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I used Mimic because of its ease of implementation without breaking the current infrastructure. Calling it Blue Mage would be too flashy, but making it so its the class that is dedicated to replicating the abilities of others, including enemies, makes the most sense. So it would be the way they could introduce Blue Magic as well as have a class that performed other types of magics besides the basic "Fire" Yay!

I'm ok with the Cleric separate idea

they shouldn't include white and black magic in the same class from the beginning

but.... that's mean I have to play as healer again for white magic.... T-T


plus... 10% weaker for using skill form another classes is ok

but it should be 30-50% weaker if you using skills from another disciples! no more DoW using magic as good as DoM please

I like the idea of a cleric, but I don't think we need to remove abilities from the conjurer. I think that the conjurer is similar to a red mage--well rounded in the variety of magic, but not particularly strong in any one area. Having low level healing and elemental magic fits that well.

The only problem I see with the Cleric as you've laid it out is that it would be very challenging to play solo. Perhaps add light/holy magic to the cleric as a way of adding some level of attack power. It could also be a buffing class as well, so time magic could be thrown into the mix. Then Thaum could be a debuffing class + dark magic (meteor, etc.)

I think SE also needs to add a summoner and a blue mage to the mix as well and we'd have a variety of mage classes to choose from.

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I'm ok with the Cleric separate idea

they shouldn't include white and black magic in the same class from the beginning

but.... that's mean I have to play as healer again for white magic.... T-T


plus... 10% weaker for using skill form another classes is ok

but it should be 30-50% weaker if you using skills from another disciples! no more DoW using magic as good as DoM please

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I actually don't agree with that because the point of the Armory system is to lift the cookie cutter and make the character that you want. I agree there should be a penalties for equipping abilities from other classes which I listed some, but if they are too extreme it makes some skills useless.

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I like the idea of a cleric, but I don't think we need to remove abilities from the conjurer. I think that the conjurer is similar to a red mage--well rounded in the variety of magic, but not particularly strong in any one area. Having low level healing and elemental magic fits that well.

The only problem I see with the Cleric as you've laid it out is that it would be very challenging to play solo. Perhaps add light/holy magic to the cleric as a way of adding some level of attack power. It could also be a buffing class as well, so time magic could be thrown into the mix. Then Thaum could be a debuffing class + dark magic (meteor, etc.)

I think SE also needs to add a summoner and a blue mage to the mix as well and we'd have a variety of mage classes to choose from.

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The reason I took Curing magic away from Conjurer, and changed sacrifice is because what the armory system does is for each weapon you equip you unlock a school of magic, and while RDM would seem pretty interesting you can already make one with the armory system so if you had cure spells from Conjurer and Cleric why would you pick Conjurer healing spells over Clerics. In addition holy magic is already covered by thaumaturge because they deal with both holy and dark magics. Either way for the spells I removed from Conjurers I added more spells that belong in there spell list due to there involvement with the elements which doesn't make it a total lost.

Made a lot of changes to this suggestion. To see all changes look at original post :D.

-Remade the Spell list for the current Magic Classes + Cleric
-Added a suggestion for THM
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Something I was thinking about today not sure where else to post it so I will stick it in here ^^

I was think about what was said on the Battle Reform Blueprint. They said that when you change to a class all of your skills and abilities for that class would automatically be put onto the action bar. Well my R50 CON has 60+ skill/spells and that just on it's own before you start adding cross class skills/spells. They must be doing some heavy editing to the DoM if they are going to do something like that, unless they meant something completely different.

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Something I was thinking about today not sure where else to post it so I will stick it in here ^^

I was think about what was said on the Battle Reform Blueprint. They said that when you change to a class all of your skills and abilities for that class would automatically be put onto the action bar. Well my R50 CON has 60+ skill/spells and that just on it's own before you start adding cross class skills/spells. They must be doing some heavy editing to the DoM if they are going to do something like that, unless they meant something completely different.

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I could be wrong, but I think what was inferred there in the battle blueprint post was that they are trying to find a way for the game to remember what you had set on your bar as a certain class. That way, when you switch back, you will have the skills you had previously slotted while on that class instead of having to remap them.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I could be wrong, but I think what was inferred there in the battle blueprint post was that they are trying to find a way for the game to remember what you had set on your bar as a certain class. That way, when you switch back, you will have the skills you had previously slotted while on that class instead of having to remap them.

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Well here is the quote I was referring to:

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We will also make a number of changes as part of our reexamination of how actions are equipped and the character requirements for doing so. First, actions learned by each class will be set to the action bar by default when playing as that class. Also, we will be making some actions settable on any class, while other "class-defining" actions obtained at higher ranks will be usable only by that class.

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I don't know what to make of it, like I said CON R50 has 60+ spells and skills atm it can't equip all of those by default.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

Well here is the quote I was referring to:



I don't know what to make of it, like I said CON R50 has 60+ spells and skills atm it can't equip all of those by default.

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Yeah, agreed. That would be super crazy.