Gamepad on PC...

Square Enix, please revert your changes! thank you!

i can handle the dead zones getting messed with. but i seriously can't handle slowing down the camera speed on diagonal directions. seriously! please fix! T_T

I... don't get it? Nothing changed for controllers.

Difference between standard movement and legacy? Try changing that option i would suggest.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

I... don't get it? Nothing changed for controllers.

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Nothing did in fact change lol. Maybe you tweaked something in settings or your controller is bad? Idk. But SE is definitely not at fault.

Sounds like you need to increase analog stick sensitivity? I play with a controller on PC and haven't noticed any changes.

yes something did change.

1.) the dead zones were changed.

2.) STEAM doesn't even see the game as the same game causing a complete wipe of controller configs for this game.

3.) 1 can be confirmed because i was able to recover the controller configs by uninstalling the game. then re-install the game from my Heavensward discs. and, before updating the game, export the controller configs from STEAM. then import those back after updating the game. SO, the controller configs themselves have not changed. but yet with the release of Shadowbringers my config is now wonk. the dead zones were changed.

4.) when using the analog stick for camera movement, the speed is slowed down when moving through diagonal areas. this creates a huge inconsistency, and it wasn't there before.


all-in-all, everything was fine in Heavensward. with the release of Shadowbringers gamepad is now on the fritz. Square Enix clearly changed something.


i really don't understand why they would do it... there was nothing wrong with gamepad before, but now they ruined it.

I have noticed no changes. What are you talking about?

EDIT: This may be a steam thing then. I use a straight FFXIV client.

There were in fact no changes. There hasn't been a patch since 5.01 and you're only just now complaining?

That's a sign it's on your end.

Only thing i have noticed is occasionally (quite often) controller has a hickup and doesnt accept input for a second, once i have walked off the platform because of it.
I have read about a workaround for it but i dont like the tradeoff.

I'm a Steam user and my gamepad seems fine. Granted I divorced the launcher and all that from Steam a long time ago (my library says the last time I played was 2015) but it's still absolutely the Steam version I use.

nothing on my end changed... Square Enix 100% changed something. there's no other explanation. i will never understand why people make such unnecessary changes to things when there was nothing wrong in the first place. blows my mind. if people aren't noticing the changes, then so be it... blows my mind, because the changes are obvious.

it's not a STEAM thing either. playing the game without STEAM, i don't have the game purchased through STEAM, changes nothing. and absolutely nothing on my end has changed. same exact controller, same exact config profile... same exact drivers for the Bluetooth. the ONLY thing that has changed is the game. Square Enix changed something on the controllers and it is for the worse.

i am only just now noticing it, because i am only just now re-subscribing. either way... HW everything was then the release SB everything is wonk. only possible explanation is that SE changed something.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

Square Enix 100% changed something. there's no other explanation.

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Source please. Nothing changed on Square's end. I run my DS4 through DS4Windows and not steam.

Been buttery smooth.

Again, maybe something in your setup was reset and you need to adjust analog sensitivity back to where it was before. It sounds to me like that's your issue.

source is actually playing the game. you seriously telling me you don't notice the camera movement is slower when moving on diagonal directions as opposed to moving vertical and horizontal?

it used to be the same exact speed regardless of what direction you are moving the camera. the way it is now can't be tolerated. there must be a way to fix this. ><

When did you last played? I've played with controller on PC both with and without Steam since early 2017 before Stormblood was released and I've not noticed any change.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

source is actually playing the game. you seriously telling me you don't notice the camera movement is slower when moving on diagonal directions as opposed to moving vertical and horizontal?

it used to be the same exact speed regardless of what direction you are moving the camera. the way it is now can't be tolerated. there must be a way to fix this. ><

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Of course I don't notice anything, because nothing changed. I've been playing since 3.2 and it's been the same.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Again, maybe something in your setup was reset and you need to adjust analog sensitivity back to where it was before. It sounds to me like that's your issue.

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but that is just it... again, nothing in my setup changed. the ONLY thing changed on my end is the game.

Maybe you'd get more luck trying the tech support forum instead of default playing the blame game on Square. Though I don't think they work on weekends.

well, that doesn't make sense... i have changed absolutely nothing on my PC since last playing this game before Shadowbringers. so... if nothing changed on my end and i am using the exact same configurations... then how is it possible that is has anything to do with me? it isn't. Square Enix changed something. i hope they fix it soon T_T

the fact of the matter is, using the exact same configurations should yield the exact same results. since nothing changed on my PC, the only possible explanation is that something in the game changed.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

well, that doesn't make sense... i have changed absolutely nothing on my PC since last playing this game before Shadowbringers. so... if nothing changed on my end and i am using the exact same configurations... then how is it possible that is has anything to do with me? it isn't. Square Enix changed something. i hope they fix it soon T_T

the fact of the matter is, using the exact same configurations should yield the exact same results. since nothing changed on my PC, the only possible explanation is that something in the game changed.

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Well if you're absolutely convinced, we apparently can't change your mind. You'll either need to check your own hardware/software configuration and ask Square for technical help.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

well, that doesn't make sense... i have changed absolutely nothing on my PC since last playing this game before Shadowbringers. so... if nothing changed on my end and i am using the exact same configurations... then how is it possible that is has anything to do with me? it isn't. Square Enix changed something. i hope they fix it soon T_T

the fact of the matter is, using the exact same configurations should yield the exact same results. since nothing changed on my PC, the only possible explanation is that something in the game changed.

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Does it make more sense that multiple people here have experienced no noticeable change yet you specifically are reporting problems? Without being able to duplicate this problem on other systems the problem points to your setup. It's not your FAULT, but evidence points to it being your problem and not SE's.

i find it extremely difficult to believe that people don't notice the slower camera movement in the diagonal directions. the camera used to move at the same speed regardless of where you moved the analog stick. but now, for example, if i am holding straight all to the right and start to move upwards the camera move speed will slow down. it will speed back up after exiting the diagonal area.

Valve was of zero help in recovering my controller profile for this game. they flat out told me it was impossible because the game is no longer available through STEAM. ( i am 100% certain that the game is still available through STEAM ) SE won't be able to help either, they will just move it to the not enough information area. it isn't possible for me to provide anymore information. they changed something and they know it... if they don't want to fix it then i guess controller will just be ruined for me. congrats to those who don't notice the change.

regardless, your controller ID never changes. even if you reinstall windows, it doesn't change. for example, i can take my xbox one controller on to a different PC and with my STEAM account it will load the configs. i can have two seemingly identical Xbox one controllers and STEAM will load the profiles on a per controller basis.

even after hours of reinstalling the game... even after deleting the game folder from documents to reset everything back to default... i have tried updating bluetooth drivers, and even tried older bluetooth drivers. with, or without STEAM... nothing seems to be fixing this.

regardless. STEAM shows my configuration for the game proper after installing from a Heavensward disc. but after updating the game to Shadowbringers, STEAM wipes it back to default. not now, because i have already been configuring trying to adjust to the changes without luck. but point is, STEAM is showing two different sets of configurations for the game based on either HW or SB. that in of itself is impossible for me to do. the ONLY possible way for that to happen is for Square Enix to change something.

record the footage and post it online for us to see then?

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

i find it extremely difficult to believe that people don't notice the slower camera movement in the diagonal directions. the camera used to move at the same speed regardless of where you moved the analog stick. but now, for example, if i am holding straight all to the right and start to move upwards the camera move speed will slow down. it will speed back up after exiting the diagonal area.

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And this is because none of us are noticing it, because we're not having that problem. Why would we lie? Believe me, I would LOVE to +1 your complaint and help if it was happening but the only problem I have right now is my old elite controller has a loose stick that makes me walk sometimes when I want to run. using a different controller fixes this.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

Valve was of zero help in recovering my controller profile for this game. they flat out told me it was impossible because the game is no longer available through STEAM. ( i am 100% certain that the game is still available through STEAM ) SE won't be able to help either, they will just move it to the not enough information area. it isn't possible for me to provide anymore information. they changed something and they know it... if they don't want to fix it then i guess controller will just be ruined for me. congrats to those who don't notice the change.

regardless, your controller ID never changes. even if you reinstall windows, it doesn't change. for example, i can take my xbox one controller on to a different PC and with my STEAM account it will load the configs. i can have two seemingly identical Xbox one controllers and STEAM will load the profiles on a per controller basis.

even after hours of reinstalling the game... even after deleting the game folder from documents to reset everything back to default... i have tried updating bluetooth drivers, and even tried older bluetooth drivers. with, or without STEAM... nothing seems to be fixing this.

regardless. STEAM shows my configuration for the game proper after installing from a Heavensward disc. but after updating the game to Shadowbringers, STEAM wipes it back to default. not now, because i have already been configuring trying to adjust to the changes without luck. but point is, STEAM is showing two different sets of configurations for the game based on either HW or SB. that in of itself is impossible for me to do. the ONLY possible way for that to happen is for Square Enix to change something.

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all we can say is that we (the people replying to you in this thread) have not experienced the problem. Have you tried to contact SE technical support? This forum is mostly for general conversation and probably not gonna get you a lot of technical help.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I have noticed no changes. What are you talking about?

EDIT: This may be a steam thing then. I use a straight FFXIV client.

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It's not. I use steam and there have been zero changes.

This is so odd, I use a controller on PC as well, and have been since ARR beta and I haven't experienced the issue your describing, even after updating for Shadowbringers (Using PC launcher, and not through Steam). Even went through the patch notes and the current issues sections in them to make sure nothing changed for controllers, and for sure there has not been.

You say your using the same controller you have always used, and it isn't Steam that's the issue. Have you tried playing other games that allow you the same freedom with the camera and tried to replicate the issue? Maybe it isn't Steam or FFXIV, but your controller that's wonky.

Years (or months, depending on how cheap a controller you get) of wear, tear, drops and constant use can start causing issues. If your controller also has a App or program that operates it, then maybe you can check the settings and adjust things so it's back to normal.

Just some thoughts.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

source is actually playing the game. you seriously telling me you don't notice the camera movement is slower when moving on diagonal directions as opposed to moving vertical and horizontal?

it used to be the same exact speed regardless of what direction you are moving the camera. the way it is now can't be tolerated. there must be a way to fix this. ><

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I just checked it and it's literally same for me? Also I play Steam version through steam so it's not Steam problem either.

Did you try using another gamepad for checking if there isn't a problem actually in the device itself?

Been using an Xbone controller on PC for quite some time and it's working the same as ever. Maybe try disconnecting and reconnecting and rebooting. Maybe nothing has changed, but that doesn't mean there isn't a glitch on your side.

SE 100% changed the controller settings specifically for you, and nobody else, because they hate you.

Wait, you haven't played the game since HW?
You haven't played the game for over 2 years, but claim that not only are you certain that the controls are different, 2 years apart, but that nothing has changed on your computer, in 2 years?

Try to calibrate your gamepad and check for the sticks consistency. After some time the motor units of sticks tend to get faulty. It wasn't clear if you experience the same issues with another,second controller.

Steam doesn't sell heavensward anymore, it's true, why would they. Shadowbringers includes all old addons.
Because you seem to use steam only for the configuration support of your controller, I would just recommend you disable the setting for that, its in big picture mode too. I think steam will try to prioritize their settings over yours if its active.
I had some problems myself with steam (eventhough I dont have ff14 connected to steam), when I had steam in the background open and then noticed controls changed slighty. I closed steam and it was back to normal. https://i.imgur.com/cvlVteq.png

Just disable and see what happens.

I play on Steam currently with a wired Xbox One controller. There has been 0 changes. If there were changes I would have noticed right away.

So salty when in fact nothing changed other than the wear on your actual game pad. They go bad, nothing new there. And occasionally need recalibrated. But you posting long posts on a feel that is clearly wrong means it’s on your end. You really think NOBODY would notice something like that?!?! Come on now...

Maybe there's something wrong with the controller itself? >x>
I've played on controller since I started in 2.0 (switching between a Wired Xbox and Wired Playstation controllers) and my controller's camera-rotation speed is the same as it was. :B
(Granted, I don't have a Steam version of the game)

Seems to be your issue, not SE's. I play on the controller on steam and nothing's changed for me.

I play on PC Steam version using a wireless XB1 controller and have noticed zero changes. It's likely either the settings or your controller itself wearing out.

Been playing since 1.19 with a variety of controllers on pc and never experienced the problem you are describing.

i haven't played the last 2 months, not 2 years. but yeah...

i have 2 xbox one controllers about 8 months old each. and have about 20+ games on PC installed, and manage controller configurations for them all through STEAM. (all except for Skyforge and MEmu) each and every one of those games have retained their configurations over these 8 months. when installing Heavensward from disc STEAM shows my old configuration, but after updating to Shadowbringer it changes over. i spent almost all fricken day recovering the config from HW to import to SB, only for it to be useless.

even without using STEAM, the controller behaves differently then before SB. and now last night i even re-installed Windows to try to fix this. using all the same drivers and everything the same from before SB launched something still has changed with controller.

in the game there is a sensitivity setting in system config. all this setting does is adjust the dead zone. (the setting actually seems counter intuitive) at 0 it almost completely eliminated the dead zone, or at least it used to. before SB i could set it to 0 and the controller would fine. in fact, i could even apply anti-dead zone through STEAM and still not have drift. but now in SB setting it at 0, and without anti-dead zone, causes a drift. :$ :$ :$



no matter what i try there doesn't seem to be any fix. funny how controller works exactly the same for everything else on the PC and every other game. funny how the ONLY game for it to behave differently in is FFXIV. if Square Enix didn't change anything, then what? it just doesn't make sense. :$ :$ :$

Well, then I think it's a matter for tech support to handle, not general discussion, unless some other player has your issue as well and maybe know more about what's going on. Hope you can get it resolved.

2 months ago was Stormblood (SB)
We are now in Shadowbringers (ShB)

Heavensward was 2 years ago.