This is exactly why i left years ago... still a problem

Waiting times are not acceptable.

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I paid for the 3 expansions might as well at least the the MSQ done, although the one dimensional characters and bad story telling is giving me PTSD too.

I'm almost certain you don't want me to reply with anything except, 'yeah, you're right, this game is dreadful'.

However, on the offchance that I'm wrong, Thok AST Thok Extreme hasn't been current content for a number of years and isn't part of a roulette so your wait times will be high. No extremes are part of roulettes and neither are savage raids. If you want to do that content, I would suggest trying party finder or asking folks in your FC if they are interested. Maybe join a Discord for your data centre. Queues for current content and/or roulette content are fine.

It's also fine that you don't care for the story. A lot of people think differently, and the story in Shadowbringers has been particularly widely praised. But you are entitled to your opinion of course - and I don't think you're interested in hearing why I and many others rate the story so highly. That's not a short answer, after all, so there's little point me giving it if you're not wanting to engage with it

Thok ast Thok Extreme is two expansions old. On top of that, the newest expansion just came out and most people are either doing the newest expansion content or doing the MSQ to catch up to do the new content.

Old side content, like Extremes, Diadem, Eureka, etc. are not populated enough right now to use DF for them. If you really want to do such old side content, you have to run them with your FC and/or set up a Party Finder.

I was hoping they had fixed these issues over the years and maybe you or others had any tips on getting older content done.

Maybe the newer expansions have better story but Ishgard was dreadful drivel. I am going to start Stormblood next week, we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

I was hoping they had fixed these issues over the years and maybe you or others had any tips on getting older content done.

Maybe the newer expansions have better story but Ishgard was dreadful drivel. I am going to start Stormblood next week, we shall see.

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Someone is going to be very disappointed Except Bardams Mettle at least it was unique.That said stick with it cause the post MSQ for Stormblood is actually better than most of the story and Shadowbringers is really good.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

I was hoping they had fixed these issues over the years and maybe you or others had any tips on getting older content done.

Maybe the newer expansions have better story but Ishgard was dreadful drivel. I am going to start Stormblood next week, we shall see.

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What issue was needed to be fix? Queue times?

I gave you two tips in my repose: have your FC help you or set up a party finder for the content you want done.
There is also a third tip: counting on the job, you should be able to solo older content at level 80 using the "Undersized Party" feature within the DR settings menu.

If you wanna do an extreme use party finder. No one's queueing for Ravana EX.

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What issue was needed to be fix? Queue times?

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The issue is that there is an easy fix for this and i thought that was pretty obvious.

Solution: Prioritize if someone queues up for something the first time, fill his party with Duty Roulette people.

Can't be that hard, now can it?

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

The issue is that there is an easy fix for this and i thought that was pretty obvious.

Solution: Prioritize if someone queues up for something the first time, fill his party with Duty Roulette people.

Can't be that hard, now can it?

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That’s an extreme you queued up for. That isn’t in the duty roulette so you have to wait for other people to queue up for it. Which means level/item sync. Most people at this point would do it unsync via party finder. Give that a try.

It’s not really an issue, people just aren’t doing years old content the hard way anymore.

Extremes are only in mentor roulette and not that many people run that. There is no way roulettes will help you do them unfortunately. Valid suggestions have already been given.

Even when extremes are current content most people use the party finder for them. There's not a lot SE can do if people just don't want to queue for something.

I saw the word "Extreme" in the instance you are queuing for and will suggest that you use Party Finder for this, especially unsyncing it.

In general, never use Duty Finder for "Extreme" trials unless you're willing to wait for a long time. And don't be surprised that if you do get into an Extreme trial and someone automatically bails on you because they're doing Mentor Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

The issue is that there is an easy fix for this and i thought that was pretty obvious.

Solution: Prioritize if someone queues up for something the first time, fill his party with Duty Roulette people.

Can't be that hard, now can it?

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Easy answer: It can be if no one individually queue's up for it. If there are NO people, how can it fill? This isn't a SE issue, this is a player issue.

You've been away from the game for a while and a few things have changed quite a bit since you left. I would suggest if you want to get that certain extreme done, setup a unsynced party finder group using the Party Finder option, or hop into one already started. (Usually one for Wander's Tails, or WT for short)

Ravana these days can be zerged down pretty darn quickly, so it's a good way to get that done. Ex Primals are usually optional content, and not everyone is gonna be interested in attempting to queue for it, even with roulette involved.

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Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse

The issue is that there is an easy fix for this and i thought that was pretty obvious.

Solution: Prioritize if someone queues up for something the first time, fill his party with Duty Roulette people.

Can't be that hard, now can it?

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That's not an obvious solution. Other people don't think like you.

As explained by other people within this thread, this is a playerbase issue and not an SE issue. If you want to do older content that is not quickly filled through DF, you have to put some effort in and either network with your FC (or join one if you don't) or us PF.

And even if you manage to get in, you're just going to get 7 schmucks that didn't bother looking up guides and can't even remember the NM mechanics. Don't do EX trials with DF, trust me.

If you want to do Extremes, use the Party Finder function. Just know that older EX primals will be easier to find players for if you're doing unsynced runs. Not a lot of people do them synced, especially due to job changes that leaves jobs at level 50 or level 60 feeling incomplete or barren.

NA and EU have done EX primals via Party Finder for years. They were doing them this way when I started over three years ago. Only JP has active Duty Finder/Raid Finder queues for current Extreme primals.


EDIT: It occurred to me that you’re probably trying to do the Warring Triad side quest chain, which requires players to complete Bismarck EX and Ravana EX in order to progress. Ask friends you may have, linkshells, and/or people in your Free Company to help you get past these. Or put up a Party Finder for a quick and easy unsynced clear—both Ravana and Bismarck can be mowed down really easily.

This was honestly a poor design choice on behalf of the developers, especially since NA/EU do not queue up for EX trials in the Duty Finder. That’s specifically a JP thing. However, this will not be a gate you will be met with in Stormblood or Shadowbringers. All EX content in those two expansions are separate and not required for side story progression (as is other EX content in HW).

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That’s an extreme you queued up for. That isn’t in the duty roulette so you have to wait for other people to queue up for it. Which means level/item sync. Most people at this point would do it unsync via party finder. Give that a try.

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Then the easy fix is to add these to the roulette.

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It’s not really an issue, people just aren’t doing years old content the hard way anymore.

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Looks like it is an issue to me and i bet i am not the only one that comes back or starts new.

People have given you multiple ways to get the old ex's done. They are not apart of any roulettes. Never have been. So the options are to use your FC or party finder.

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Then the easy fix is to add these to the roulette.

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It’s going to be uncommon that players would do an Extreme primal roulette—EX primals are already a piece of content that casual players may not even attempt, which would take them out of pool of participants. Others, like myself, enjoy EX primals; but doing them synced down after repeated job changes makes them tedious because jobs are incomplete (particularly level 50 EX primals and level 60 primals—the transition of jobs from level 70 to level 80 is a bit smoother compared to those level caps).

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Looks like it is an issue to me and i bet i am not the only one that comes back or starts new.

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No, you are not. However, the advice to players that try EX primals has always been the same: try Party Finder or ask your Linkshells/Friends/Free Company. I don’t understand why you seem so adamant against not utilizing these avenues and instead continuing to complain?

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Then the easy fix is to add these to the roulette.

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There is a reason why the Ex trials aren't in the duty roulette in the first place. They are simply too hard to be done synced by a bunch of random people, half of which will not know the mechanics.
So nope, not a viable fix.

Well it's in the mentor roulette.

They do have a point, mentors are just regular players too that spent time getting 100 commendations, 3 classes up to 80, and something else, which can all be done without even touching a EX trial. If the content can go into a mentor roulette, then it can go into roulette maybe as it's own roulette. Like "Extreme Roulette & Savage Roulette" and let those roulettes give MSQ high rewards since they are considerably more challenging to do and to make up for the fact that you will be a bunch of randoms. And maybe have it so when a new expansion drops their Extreme/Savage trials/raids cannot be in the Extreme/Savage roulette until a month after the content drops, as to give the community time to look at guides/experience the content on their own before throwing them with a bunch of randoms.

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They do have a point, mentors are just regular players too that spent time getting 100 commendations, 3 classes up to 80, and something else, which can all be done without even touching a EX trial. If the content can go into a mentor roulette, then it can go into roulette maybe as it's own roulette. Like "Extreme Roulette & Savage Roulette" and let those roulettes give MSQ high rewards since they are considerably more challenging to do and to make up for the fact that you will be a bunch of randoms. And maybe have it so when a new expansion drops their Extreme/Savage trials/raids cannot be in the Extreme/Savage roulette until a month after the content drops, as to give the community time to look at guides/experience the content on their own before throwing them with a bunch of randoms.

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This still wouldn’t work. While interest in EX is higher than Savage, there are still a lot of players on NA/EU that won’t even touch either content. I’d imagine the queue times for these would be very long. And, with the sync system in place, some fights would turn out to be much harder than they were when relevant due to job changes—especially if Coils were thrown in there, because there are jobs that are radically different from how they were in 2.0~2.x and toolkits at level 50 have just been pruned too much. I had a friend earlier actually telling me of his static doing minimum item level T5 (Twintania). Because the tanks do not have as many cooldowns as they did in the past, some of the busters were actually very beefy. Not to mention, healers and DPS are also missing resources that were commonly used back then too (e.g., Stoneskin).

This isn’t even mentioning how some would probably just leave the Roulette if they get a fight they don’t like or one that is “harder” than the others (this already happens in Mentor Roulette—it is very common to see mentors bail the moment an EX trial pops up in there).

I think this content works better for NA/EU in the PF. I don’t think we need a Duty Finder Roulette for it, even if it’s for older content. And current Savage/EX never has issues with getting parties together. PF is littered with parties during the tier.

And this is coming from someone who would actually like the idea of a harder content roulette. I just recognize that it is very likely to not be feasible.

Extreme fights aren't usually queued for in the Duty/Raid Finder even when they're current, because they are difficult content requiring 8 people who are at least somewhat familiar with the fight mechanics and their own roles. But for old extremes, there are often Party Finder groups for running them unsynced, and you can form one of those. Old extremes are required for the weekly Wondrous Tails challenge, so people are still running them regularly through Party Finder.


Another option is to simply go unsynced and solo the fight. This particular one you used as an example I solo'd as level 70 PLD before the current expansion, can't say what kind of level you would need for other jobs. Soloing the old extremes can be a fun challenge too, when they're not too much below your current level.

To each their own. But if you don't like the story in this game then you really need to be playing something else.

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EDIT: It occurred to me that you’re probably trying to do the Warring Triad side quest chain, which requires players to complete Bismarck EX and Ravana EX in order to progress. Ask friends you may have, linkshells, and/or people in your Free Company to help you get past these. Or put up a Party Finder for a quick and easy unsynced clear—both Ravana and Bismarck can be mowed down really easily.

This was honestly a poor design choice on behalf of the developers, especially since NA/EU do not queue up for EX trials in the Duty Finder. That’s specifically a JP thing. However, this will not be a gate you will be met with in Stormblood or Shadowbringers. All EX content in those two expansions are separate and not required for side story progression (as is other EX content in HW).

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I know this is a few days old, but context? I did hte Warring Triad stuff, and I hadn't cleared either the Extremes at the time, so unless you mean Triad Ex's, I'm not sure what you are talking about.

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I know this is a few days old, but context? I did hte Warring Triad stuff, and I hadn't cleared either the Extremes at the time, so unless you mean Triad Ex's, I'm not sure what you are talking about.

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Both extremes for Ravana and Bismarck need to be done in order to start the Warring Triad (source, got the quest in my log) so I think you are remembering wrong or else you entered them on someone else's WT run.

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Originally Posted by XenabelleS

Both extremes for Ravana and Bismarck need to be done in order to start the Warring Triad (source, got the quest in my log) so I think you are remembering wrong or else you entered them on someone else's WT run.

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That can't be the case. I never cleared Bismark Ex until Stormblood, but did the Triad HM back when it was current.

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Both extremes for Ravana and Bismarck need to be done in order to start the Warring Triad (source, got the quest in my log) so I think you are remembering wrong or else you entered them on someone else's WT run.

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They are not a requirement. Source: did the warring triad questline on an alt two weeks ago.

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Both extremes for Ravana and Bismarck need to be done in order to start the Warring Triad (source, got the quest in my log) so I think you are remembering wrong or else you entered them on someone else's WT run.

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No, they are not. No MSQ or normal side quest requires EX.

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Then the easy fix is to add these to the roulette.

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They did. They added them to Mentor Roulette: Wanna know what happens when 7 mentors get into Ravana EX with a bonus? They all leave. People have given you suggestions so stop complaining.

The confusion probably stems from the fact that Ravana EX and Bismarck EX's questlines are grouped into the Warring Triad questline, as they are received from Unukalhai after starting the series; however, they are not necessary to complete to begin "When the Bough Wakes," the quest that unlocks the Sephirot fight. This may have been different at launch (I didn't start playing until SB), but all the old sources I can find indicate that you never needed to complete Ravana EX and Bismarck EX to unlock the rest of the Warring Triad quests.

This is not the game for you bro. keep moving.

Gotta do extremes when they're relevant if you want an easy time finding parties. If you intend to do them synced with their original difficulty. You missed the boat on this one by several years. Roulette is not the answer. Extremes are very punishing for mistakes and *have to* know the fight to clear it. The chance of you successfully completing a several year old Extreme in Duty Finder synced is very low.

No one does the synced version of Thok ast Thok (Extreme) when you can do it unsynced and kill him in a matter of seconds. There is also no "Extreme Roulette", so unless people specifically queue for this fight (they won't, there's no reason to), you'll never get in.

You're much better off in Party Finder. This fight is routinely part of Woundrous Tails, I see it posted in PF all the time. No one cares if you're new, the fight is face roll easy.

This is a horrible example to use for complaining about queue times.

I feel it's safe to assume you've never actually done an extreme trial. If you had, you would realize pretty fast why they aren't in standard roulette rotation. They require pretty high levels of precision and cooperation compared to normal mode trials, and they aren't something you can just face roll when sync'd. And expecting players to remember how to clear every single EX trial off the top of their heads isn't going to end well.

Tried queing up for Binding Coil Turn one two days ago and sat in a 1 and a half que before giving up. Its old content, don't expect people to being doing it often or at all.

You're much better off making a Party Finder group and hoping people join you there.

If you wanna queue for something like that maybe check party finder to see if people queue for it there, otherwise you're at the mercy of either friends helping you out or hoping to find a party during peek hours through duty finder.

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I paid for the 3 expansions might as well at least the the MSQ done, although the one dimensional characters and bad story telling is giving me PTSD too.

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I was hoping they had fixed these issues over the years and maybe you or others had any tips on getting older content done.

Maybe the newer expansions have better story but Ishgard was dreadful drivel. I am going to start Stormblood next week, we shall see.

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Oh yes. Quite. One dimensional Characters? A pity. Bad story telling? That just won't do. Dreadful drivel you say? Oh my, what a shame. /posh accent

Lmao. Puts on a haughty persona and puts down HWs story. Honestly just makes you look more like a contrarian than anything else.

As others have said, EX Queues go through Party Finder Typically. Definitely not the Roulette.
Also, older content, especially EX, has less people running it, because it can be run with smaller, under leveled parties if someone is grinding certain content.

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There is also no "Extreme Roulette", so unless people specifically queue for this fight (they won't, there's no reason to), you'll never get in.

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Didn't they unlock this in Shadowbringers after you complete THE TWINNING?
I doubt very many people use it BECAUSE of that, and they like to be choosey with their party, but I'm pretty sure it at least exists.