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Not everyone likes cutscene spam, and that's OK.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Not everyone likes cutscene spam, and that's OK.

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But people not wanting to do big pulls... that's not okay in your eyes
Hmmm

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

But people not wanting to do big pulls... that's not okay in your eyes
Hmmm

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Cutscenes don't go up for a vote.

You do what your party wants or you're removed.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Not everyone likes cutscene spam, and that's OK.

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If you do not play a themepark storybased MMO for its story then you should not really be paying the price of admission, that is just a waste of money.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

If you do not play a themepark storybased MMO for its story then you should not really be paying the price of admission, that is just a waste of money.

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That's their money, they can spend it how they want. Our opinion doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Cutscenes don't go up for a vote.

You do what your party wants or you're removed.

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I must say you're in the vast minority, every time i've seen a party do normal pulls nobody complains

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I must say you're in the vast minority, every time i've seen a party do normal pulls nobody complains

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Even if I am I won't be eventually, and that's ok.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

If you do not play a themepark storybased MMO for its story then you should not really be paying the price of admission, that is just a waste of money.

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I really wish people would stop with this "iTs A sToRy BaSeD mMmOoOOOO" yeah so are ALL MMOS They're mmoRPGS, every single one has lore, every single one has a reason for why you're doing whatever it is you're doing. Have you people never played any other mmo?

Also people may not openly complain when someone does small pulls but in voice comms and irl, a lot of people do.

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Originally Posted by Nims

I really wish people would stop with this "iTs A sToRy BaSeD mMmOoOOOO" yeah so are ALL MMOS They're mmoRPGS, every single one has lore, every single one has a reason for why you're doing whatever it is you're doing. Have you people never played any other mmo?

Also people may not openly complain when someone does small pulls but in voice comms and irl, a lot of people do.

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Some MMOs are focusing more on the story than others, like GW2, SWTOR and FF XIV. I cannot speak for WoW anymore (only did quests and levled alts till Cata), but all of the "deeper"/more interesting story was gated behind raids, unless you count WotLK and Cata for introducing phasing and mini-storys per quest hub.

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Some MMOs are focusing more on the story than others, like GW2, SWTOR and FF XIV. I cannot speak for WoW anymore (only did quests and levled alts till Cata), but all of the "deeper"/more interesting story was gated behind raids, unless you count WotLK and Cata for introducing phasing and mini-storys per quest hub.

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No, they're all equally as focused on story as the next one. Some have more lore than each other but they're all just as focused. Regardless of where the lore is, doesn't mean it's not "story focused". I don't know why but that line just triggers me so much. People keep saying it like it actually makes sense, it's just redundant "A story based mmorpg" since when aren't rpgs story based/focused?

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

If you do not play a themepark storybased MMO for its story then you should not really be paying the price of admission, that is just a waste of money.

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We have quite a few theme parks around where I live, and each park has certain rides and attractions I avoid at all costs as I don't care for them. However, I've never felt that I'm not getting my money's worth when I go because they have so many other things that DO appeal to me.

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Originally Posted by Nims

No, they're all equally as focused on story as the next one. Some have more lore than each other but they're all just as focused. Regardless of where the lore is, doesn't mean it's not "story focused". I don't know why but that line just triggers me so much. People keep saying it like it actually makes sense, it's just redundant "A story based mmorpg" since when aren't rpgs story based/focused?

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I guess a better way to word it would be "the story isn't utter trash as is the case on other MMOs."

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

I guess a better way to word it would be "the story isn't utter trash as is the case on other MMOs."

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Nope as that's an entirely different argument and highly subjective. A lot of people in this community act as if other mmos have absolutely zero lore.

Other mmos just don't force their lore on you, which is something I personally like but eh.

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Originally Posted by Nims

Nope as that's an entirely different argument and highly subjective. A lot of people in this community act as if other mmos have absolutely zero lore.

Other mmos just don't force their lore on you, which is something I personally like but eh.

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But thats what people mean by saying this is a story-focused MMO: That the story is the center piece of this particular game. I actually havent played other MMOs but from the impressions I've gathered (and from what your post right here implies) some other games - like WoW - might also have a story and lore, but not everything tied as close to it as we have in FFXIV.

Final Fantasy games have traditionally been games with a heavy story-focus that included you sitting through 30 minute cutscenes at times without "playing" the game at all. Clearly thats not for everyone and thats fine! Its just that thats what you have to expect from a Final Fantasy game - an involved story thats "forced" on you, with lots of cutscenes and dialouge and less of a "here is your endgame, now start playing the game".
I dont think people deny that other MMOs have a story and/or lore - its just not as much a focus as it is in FFXIV. Even without ever having played WoW I can say that I never got the impression that the story was the selling point of that game (I've only read a few articles when new expansions launched and they never felt like you would absolutly need to play the game for its amazing story). With FFXIV thats different: a lot of people came here or are here mainly for the story. And those who arent... well, can either skip cutscenes or look for a different MMO that shifted its focus from the storytelling-aspect of the genre to something else.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

But thats what people mean by saying this is a story-focused MMO: That the story is the center piece of this particular game. I actually havent played other MMOs but from the impressions I've gathered (and from what your post right here implies) some other games - like WoW - might also have a story and lore, but not everything tied as close to it as we have in FFXIV.

Final Fantasy games have traditionally been games with a heavy story-focus that included you sitting through 30 minute cutscenes at times without "playing" the game at all. Clearly thats not for everyone and thats fine! Its just that thats what you have to expect from a Final Fantasy game - an involved story thats "forced" on you, with lots of cutscenes and dialouge and less of a "here is your endgame, now start playing the game".
I dont think people deny that other MMOs have a story and/or lore - its just not as much a focus as it is in FFXIV. Even without ever having played WoW I can say that I never got the impression that the story was the selling point of that game (I've only read a few articles when new expansions launched and they never felt like you would absolutly need to play the game for its amazing story). With FFXIV thats different: a lot of people came here or are here mainly for the story. And those who arent... well, can either skip cutscenes or look for a different MMO that shifted its focus from the storytelling-aspect of the genre to something else.

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Minor correction. Other final fantasy games have pretty good CGI cutscenes (for the time period), which enhances the story and makes you want to sit and watch it. FFXIV only provides that in the Opening movies and trailers.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

But thats what people mean by saying this is a story-focused MMO: That the story is the center piece of this particular game. I actually havent played other MMOs but from the impressions I've gathered (and from what your post right here implies) some other games - like WoW - might also have a story and lore, but not everything tied as close to it as we have in FFXIV.

Final Fantasy games have traditionally been games with a heavy story-focus that included you sitting through 30 minute cutscenes at times without "playing" the game at all. Clearly thats not for everyone and thats fine! Its just that thats what you have to expect from a Final Fantasy game - an involved story thats "forced" on you, with lots of cutscenes and dialouge and less of a "here is your endgame, now start playing the game".
I dont think people deny that other MMOs have a story and/or lore - its just not as much a focus as it is in FFXIV. Even without ever having played WoW I can say that I never got the impression that the story was the selling point of that game (I've only read a few articles when new expansions launched and they never felt like you would absolutly need to play the game for its amazing story). With FFXIV thats different: a lot of people came here or are here mainly for the story. And those who arent... well, can either skip cutscenes or look for a different MMO that shifted its focus from the storytelling-aspect of the genre to something else.

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Again, there’s just as much focus on the lore in other mmos. The developers just aren’t self absorbed and don’t force it on you. I suggest you actually play other mmos before trying to compare them with how much lore they have or how “focused” they are.

This isn't just an MMO though, it's a main series Final Fantasy game as well.

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Originally Posted by Nims

Again, there’s just as much focus on the lore in other mmos. The developers just aren’t self absorbed and don’t force it on you.

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.. so.. other MMO's are also about the story but.. they don't make you watch the story.

I think this is the point that Vidu is trying to make. FFXIV is so much about the story that you HAVE to watch it to get anywhere in the game.

There's no problem in skipping cutscenes, but there's no sympathy if you do so and don't understand the plot.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

.. so.. other MMO's are also about the story but.. they don't make you watch the story.

I think this is the point that Vidu is trying to make. FFXIV is so much about the story that you HAVE to watch it to get anywhere in the game.

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That literally doesn’t make sense lmao.

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play. THATS the difference, just because a story is force doesn’t mean it’s more driven than another mmo.

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Originally Posted by Nims

Again, there’s just as much focus on the lore in other mmos. The developers just aren’t self absorbed and don’t force it on you. I suggest you actually play other mmos before trying to compare them with how much lore they have or how “focused” they are.

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I'm sorry if I worded my post badly, but to me it seems like you missed my point - you're still using this negative expression about the story/lore being "forced on you" when you talk about the story. I can only assume that what you mean by that includes things like the heavy story-locks we have and maybe even that lore is expanded on during the MSQ (and not just hidden in the lorebooks or similar).
But here is the thing: thats what Final Fantasy is about. Its mainly about being told a story, so its no surprise that this MMO is also saying "Hey, great you're here to listen to this epic story I want to tell you!"

I'm not trying to compare how much lore this game has to others (as in quantity or quality), I'm just trying to compare how much of a "spotlight" the game shines on its lore. By your account, FFXIV does this more (and going by your expression to much for your taste) than others - but thats excatly what some people want! They want all this lore and story presented to them while going through the game. They want it "forced" on them, because it doesnt feel forced to them.
I'm here because I want to enjoy a Final Fantasy story, so it doesnt feel forced onto me because thats what I want from this game. And I'm happy that everything is strongly connected to this mainstory. I'm happy that when I visit a dungeon I know excatly why I'm at this place right now, what history it has and what role it plays for the current story because I was told all that by an NPC in a bunch of textboxes giving me that background instead of just telling me "Go get item X out of the dungeon".

Focussing on getting the story and lore across to the player is what Final Fantasy does - I'm sorry if it feels to you as if its being forced onto you. You seem to prefer to just have the lore somewhat in the game without it being presented to you in a clear way while you play through the story? Thats okay, it appears there are many games who do that just fine! But Final Fantasy isnt that. Its always been about "shoving the story in your face" - and thats what people like and mean whan they say this game has a story-focus. You can like that or not, but please understand that people who say dont mean that there is no lore/story at all in other games. They're just saying they prefer the way its presented to them in FFXIV. By them being "forced" to see and play through it.

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Originally Posted by Nims

I really wish people would stop with this "iTs A sToRy BaSeD mMmOoOOOO" yeah so are ALL MMOS They're mmoRPGS, every single one has lore, every single one has a reason for why you're doing whatever it is you're doing. Have you people never played any other mmo?

Also people may not openly complain when someone does small pulls but in voice comms and irl, a lot of people do.

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what people usually means (or could mean i cant speak for others) when they say it´is story driven game is that nothing unlocks unless u go through the main Msq, unlike how wow was (cant say how it is today been long time since i played it) u could do everything without doing nearly any quest´s. and while wow has story and lore it was more heavier on lore then story in my opinion and the story was more center what was happening in the world and not that much around your character while its the other way around with Ffxiv.

but that it's just my opinion on it

WoW has a story?

FFXIV is the only MMO that actually makes me interested in its story.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I\\'m sorry if I worded my post badly, but to me it seems like you missed my point - you\\'re still using this negative expression about the story/lore being "forced on you" when you talk about the story. I can only assume that what you mean by that includes things like the heavy story-locks we have and maybe even that lore is expanded on during the MSQ (and not just hidden in the lorebooks or similar).
But here is the thing: thats what Final Fantasy is about. Its mainly about being told a story, so its no surprise that this MMO is also saying "Hey, great you\\'re here to listen to this epic story I want to tell you!"

I\\'m not trying to compare how much lore this game has to others (as in quantity or quality), I\\'m just trying to compare how much of a "spotlight" the game shines on its lore. By your account, FFXIV does this more (and going by your expression to much for your taste) than others - but thats excatly what some people want! They want all this lore and story presented to them while going through the game. They want it "forced" on them, because it doesnt feel forced to them.
I\\'m here because I want to enjoy a Final Fantasy story, so it doesnt feel forced onto me because thats what I want from this game. And I\\'m happy that everything is strongly connected to this mainstory. I\\'m happy that when I visit a dungeon I know excatly why I\\'m at this place right now, what history it has and what role it plays for the current story because I was told all that by an NPC in a bunch of textboxes giving me that background instead of just telling me "Go get item X out of the dungeon".

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You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

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Originally Posted by Nims

You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

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Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

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Originally Posted by Nims

That literally doesn’t make sense lmao.

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play. THATS the difference, just because a story is force doesn’t mean it’s more driven than another mmo.

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Sure they do, but since you like that playstyle you don't notice. Developers force you to move from map to map, developers force you to make new characters to experience other paths, developers force you to grind the same things over and over again to RNG weapons and stats. There are games out there that have variables on all of this. Loot-based shooter MMO, Exploration based Space-sim MMO.
Calling FFXIV "story based" is appropriate, because all the major advertisments tout the story first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by Nims

You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

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Well, I think thats the problem here - you dont care about how other FF games are and I dont care that much for other MMOs.

The thing is: People are coming to this game with two different bachgrounds and two different type of expectations (to generalise a little bit).
We have the people who played lots of MMOs before and want a new one - and expect this one to be like the other ones they've played. From what I gather at least some other MMOs have a less of "this game is going to tell you 50+ hour story thats required to unlock everything within it"-focus.
We also have people who come with more of a Final Fantasy background: They've played almost every game in the series and they know that playing a Final Fantasy game means that they're gonna get this 50-hour-long-story thats gonna unlock everything else the game has to offer along the way. They come here because they want to be told that 50-hour-long-story, its the main selling point for them so its no trouble that they have to do it, because its what they've signed up for!

Saying that you dont care that this is a Final Fantasy game doesnt mean it doesnt matter that its a Final Fantasy game - FFXIV is both. Its an MMO, but its also a game within a series that has an over 30 year long history of RPGs that heavly revolve around telling a story and that have the story as selling point.

You also seem to confuse lore and story - lore is the background and history of the world and it can be revealed in different ways. Story is the tale you're being told or part of while you play the game. You can have very little lore and still tell a long story. And you can have lots and lots of lore and tell almost no story.
The lore behind Coil isnt the same as the story we experience within it.

And no one is saying that other MMOs dont have a story or lore or a motivation for you to go down into those mines to retrive [item X]. The difference is simply in the amount thats being presented or "forced" on to you.

Personally, I respect the devs for saying "We want to make this a game that appeals to people who want to be told an FF-style story, so we'll put a lot of ressources into that and make sure we tell a long story thats tied closely to everything that happens in the world, lets the player take part in those events and makes them the hero."
I want a Final Fantasy game first, an MMO second.
And I have the feeling that a lot of the people who complain about "to much story" want an MMO first and maybe a Final Fantasy game second (if they even care about FF at all).

For me its obvious that this is a Final Fantasy game, with everything that comes with that - a WHM with white and red robes, Chocobos, Cid and yes, a heavy focus on the story.
That doesnt mean that other MMOs dont have story or lore, it just means that they focus less on telling those to the player.

I'm sorry if a Final Fantasy game isnt what someone wanted - but just because this is also an MMO doesnt mean its not Final Fantasy anymore. And just because this game says "Hey, we think out story is one of the most important parts!" doesnt mean that a game who might say "We think our raids and mechanics are more important!" doesnt has any story.
(And why is it so important to you to convince me that other MMOs have stories aswell when your original point was "Yeah, other games have stories but they dont force you to play through them!"? Why does it matter so much to you to make sure everyone knows that other games have lore and story aswell? No one here is saying that FFXIV is the only MMO that provied you with a story, we're just saying that FFXIV puts a lot of emphasis on this story - and you can like that or not, but its what you get from a Final Fantasy game...)

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Originally Posted by Fayt1203

Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

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I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Calling FFXIV "story based" is appropriate, because all the major advertisments tout the story first and foremost.

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Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Well, I think thats the problem here - you dont care about how other FF games are and I dont care that much for other MMOs.

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Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

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Originally Posted by Nims

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.



Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.




Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

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...I'll just leave this here again: you keep confusing "lore" and "story" which makes a lot of your arguments rather weak and confusing.

A game can have a lot of lore and very little story - or very little lore and a lot of story. Those words dont have the same meaning.

To me it just seems more and more clear that FFXIV isnt the game you want it to be. Thats okay. That doesnt make the game bad, though. This game, with its "forced" quests and story is the game the devs want to make - and enough people who are familiar with this type of game like it enough to keep it going, myself included.

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Originally Posted by Nims

Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

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That's incorrect, Eve for one example, all about the ships and the exploration, maybe some lore behind it but nobody I know talks about that. Destiny & Destiny 2, small mention of story, huge focus on the guns and gear.

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Originally Posted by Nims

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.

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In some of the games you play, but not all. It's like they're focused and made differently.

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Originally Posted by Nims

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.



Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.

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Are you for real ? Its an argument about skipping story cinematic. If it seems like people are making a big deal about it maybe its because it is. The size of the said story content is so enormous people argue its fine to skip it, maybe its because it represente a massive part of the game I don't know...
People argue that the game lack in endgame after the story... well maybe its because the story already take the most of the ressources and maybe it does BECAUSE ITS THE MAIN ATTRACTION OF THE GAME.

Its like taking a milkshake and argue that its not a milk based product because you can have strawberry in it.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

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I'm not confusing "lore" and "story" I use them interchangeably (which is technically incorrect) because I just simply don't care about any of it. It's all lore and story to me.

Also when did I say it is or isn't the game I want it to be? When did I make a formal complaint in this thread about XIV at all? There you go again arguing stuff that I never did.

NO, I don't like forced lore, however that was never an argument, I never asked nor suggested that, that format be changed here. The only thing that triggered me was people saying this is a story driven mmorpg as if others aren't. "ItS sToRy DrIvEn DuN sKiP!" Yeah all the other mmos are story driven and most people skip it.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

That's incorrect, Eve for one example, all about the ships and the exploration, maybe some lore behind it but nobody I know talks about that. Destiny & Destiny 2, small mention of story, huge focus on the guns and gear.

In some of the games you play, but not all. It's like they're focused and made differently.

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Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

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Are you for real ? Its an argument about skipping story cinematic. If it seems like people are making a big deal about it maybe its because it is. The size of the said story content is so enormous people argue its fine to skip it, maybe its because it represente a massive part of the game I don't know...
People argue that the game lack in endgame after the story... well maybe its because the story already take the most of the ressources and maybe it does BECAUSE ITS THE MAIN ATTRACTION OF THE GAME.

Its like taking a milkshake and argue that its not a milk based product because you can have strawberry in it.

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No it's a big deal to SOME people because it's obvious a lot of those people are here because it's a FF game first to them. If people are saying there's no end game because of the story that's simply false lol. If the entire and main point of this game was only story there wouldn't be nearly as much fluff and other stuff we have now, it would end after the story.

HOWEVER the amount of end game content has absolutely zero to do with if a MMO is story driven or not. Especially since in most other mmos the raids tie into the story...

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I'm not confusing "lore" and "story" I use them interchangeably (which is technically incorrect) because I just simply don't care about any of it. It's all lore and story to me.

Also when did I say it is or isn't the game I want it to be? When did I make a formal complaint in this thread about XIV at all? There you go again arguing stuff that I never did.

NO, I don't like forced lore, however that was never an argument, I never asked nor suggested that, that format be changed here. The only thing that triggered me was people saying this is a story driven mmorpg as if others aren't.

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...you're easly triggerd then...

As I tried to explain to you people dont deny that other MMOs have a story-drive aswell - they just want to emphasize how much of that FFXIV has due to its nature as being a Final Fantasy title aswell.

I mean - an Elder Scrolls game has a story-drive for you aswell, but the main appeal of that game is that you can just get lost in the world for hours, not care about the mainquest and just kill some dude in the end for... reasons that might have been explained to you at somepoint but you forgot because you spend 50 hours in between exploring caves. Final Fantasy on the other hand always took you by the hand, to lead you from one story-event to the next, with less to do in between or to distract you.
Yet both those games are RPGs, appealing to different tastes.
Saying FFXIV has a story-focus doesnt mean that other MMOs dont have some story aswell - it just means that FFXIV has a lot more of it that is a lot more involved.

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...you're easly triggerd then...

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I'm easily triggered by the most ABSOLUTELY dumb stuff. Like it's so hard to trigger me outside of very small things like "FFXIV IS A STORY DRIVEN MMO" makes me want to club seals. Oh and the word "irregardless".

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As I tried to explain to you people dont deny that other MMOs have a story-drive aswell

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But they do and for the ones that really aren't...then the whole statement is completely unnecessary. Like that's the entire argument, if you think XIV is the only MMORPG that's story driven, you need to actually play one. If you don't...then why even state it? Why act so shocked if someone skips the story?

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Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

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https://www.gamesradar.com/bungie-co...-improvements/
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06...-to-play-model

.... WEIRD..

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Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

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The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

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The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play.

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.. cause some do.

I'm not sure why you've chosen to die on this hill of "everything is story driven". cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story, FFXIV focuses on it more though. This doesn't mean all other aspects are meaningless or inconsequential, just that the story is both a major selling point and a severely integral and referenced part of the progression. This is not true for every game.

Well in the end it is how people classify games rather than how games are classified in general that will never change

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Weird....

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https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"

Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

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The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

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That wasn't my point at all, you made a point that all developers make you go from map to map, create new characters, etc because of the story. My point was that's false, I played games where that wasn't the case.

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=cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story

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Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.