After playing 80 Scholar for a bit, I enjoy the changes.

Content feels a bit more intense due to the damage being done. I like the fact they gutted Scholar a bit because to be honest a lot of that stuff was unnecessary clutter for controller users.

I'm already doing enough to keep people alive as is along with the DPS moves available here combined with the mechanics of this game. I personally don't really need tons more just to have more buttons to press as I'm already pressing enough.

Scholar feels good at 80 to me and outside of Bane I don't miss anything.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Content feels a bit more intense due to the damage being done.

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damage feels lower than ever like sure it looks more because of our hp pools but its been so easy to just heal without a single gcd

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Originally Posted by tikiwiki

damage feels lower than ever like sure it looks more because of our hp pools but its been so easy to just heal without a single gcd

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Originally Posted by tikiwiki

damage feels lower than ever like sure it looks more because of our hp pools but its been so easy to just heal without a single gcd

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Things just hit harder, I have to heal more than I would usually ever since these changes. It's actually made Scholar more difficult to play because before 5.0, I had much more downtime to do DPS. Now I have to like manage things more carefully or people will die.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Things just hit harder, I have to heal more than I would usually ever since these changes. It's actually made Scholar more difficult to play because before 5.0, I had much more downtime to do DPS. Now I have to like manage things more carefully or people will die.

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No no, you don´t understand, ppl like tikiwiki are just too good for this game.

I feel, like the health pools got bigger, incoming dmg is the same if compared to the HP, but the outgoing heals didn´t go up.
During SB an excog would put the tank to full health (healing like 50 % of his hp), now it only gets him up to around 75% (so only 25% of his hp).

I still miss Energy Drain for lower end content and fates, but I'm pretty content with SCH right now that Art of War is more sustainable. I'd still like a proper DPS rotation which at this juncture seems very unlikely given the developer's design philosophy for healers but as far as healing goes I'm pretty satisfied.

I mean, I'm glad to see that you and others are enjoying it, but in my personal experience, healing hasn't changed much. Day 1, sure, I got some tanks made out of paper, so it wasnt well bad because I had to heal more. Yesterday though, I did expert, and I was sitting at 2 aetherflow every single pull, the only one I spent was on arbitrary excogs.

Damage in dungeons feels like it has increased. Problem is - dungeons aren’t the only content in the game, and the 8-man content we’ve received so far has had far lower damage output. When it comes to optimising for mount farming, the 2-button dps rotation has me bored to tears, that’s not even mentioning solo activities or unsyncing content.

History would tell us (the last 2 expansions) that damage is always high on the first lvl 80 dungeons but then when we start getting gear it's back to DPSing.

This is nothing new.

The damage is just slightly higher due to lack of Protect.

What actually changed and what indirectly makes it seem like damage is higher is the healing nerf that happened as a result of healing not scaling as much as Health pools have.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

The damage is just slightly higher due to lack of Protect.

What actually changed and what indirectly makes it seem like damage is higher is the healing nerf that happened as a result of healing not scaling as much as Health pools have.

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No its not. The loss of Protect is already calculated in outgoing damage. Its the same as before.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Content feels a bit more intense due to the damage being done. I like the fact they gutted Scholar a bit because to be honest a lot of that stuff was unnecessary clutter for controller users.

I'm already doing enough to keep people alive as is along with the DPS moves available here combined with the mechanics of this game. I personally don't really need tons more just to have more buttons to press as I'm already pressing enough.

Scholar feels good at 80 to me and outside of Bane I don't miss anything.

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I’m a controller user who fit everything including my pets skills onto 3 nice, distinct hot bars and will never celebrate the gutting that happened.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

No no, you don´t understand, ppl like tikiwiki are just too good for this game.

I feel, like the health pools got bigger, incoming dmg is the same if compared to the HP, but the outgoing heals didn´t go up.
During SB an excog would put the tank to full health (healing like 50 % of his hp), now it only gets him up to around 75% (so only 25% of his hp).

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You would be correct. Theorycrafters have already figured out healing did not scale at all from Stormblood. You do approximately the same healing at 80 as you did at 70. Which is among the myriad of reasons healers feel jipped this expansion.

Leveling dungeons are also a very poor indicator of actual outgoing damage because unlike any other content in the game, they scale based on level instead of ilevel. That being said, I actually found many of the Shadowbringer dungeons to be easier than Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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No, we should call out statements that don’t mesh with reality.

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No its not. The loss of Protect is already calculated in outgoing damage. Its the same as before.

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Yes it is. Are you telling me they went back to every single encounter to account for the loss of Protect?

As for current content, it might be included, but how you know this is a mystery. Would you mind sharing the in-depth comparisons you've made to conclude that it's "the same as before"?

Regardless, Protect is a nothingburger.

Health Pools have increased by 50-60% (so far). Healing potencies have NOT increased by 50%.

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No, we should call out statements that don’t mesh with reality.

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Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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And a relative handful of people enjoying the new version of a Job that, in many respects, is completely different from its predecessor of six years doesn't mean that the people dissatisfied are obligated or required to enjoy the NGE'd version, nor are they required to keep quiet about their dissatisfaction.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

The damage is just slightly higher due to lack of Protect.

What actually changed and what indirectly makes it seem like damage is higher is the healing nerf that happened as a result of healing not scaling as much as Health pools have.

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It actually seems to be that SE went and increased auto-attack damage in Stormblood dungeons and carried over the trend into the new Shadowbringers dungeons. This becomes relevant when you realize that Awareness was removed in 5.0 and that the true reason why big pulls are ripping a new one into tanks are because of critical hits from multiple auto-attack sources.

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Originally Posted by TonberiScholar

And a relative handful of people enjoying the new version of a Job that, in many respects, is completely different from its predecessor of six years doesn't mean that the people dissatisfied are obligated or required to enjoy the NGE'd version, nor are they required to keep quiet about their dissatisfaction.

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RIP SWG.

However, there's literally a billion threads you can voice your discontent. It doesn't have to bleed into literally every thread not explicitly about it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Not saying they can’t enjoy the state of SCH, but the assertion that content is doing more damage in ShB doesn’t mesh with what many of us have experienced.

And content doesn’t do a variable amount of damage dependent on the person running it. Many of us have figured out how to quickly and efficiently deal with incoming damage with SCH’s overstuffed tool bag...and it inevitably leads to long stretches of brainless broil spamming (or AoW spam).

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Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Some people enjoy playing Anthem, doesn’t mean it’s good.

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Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Enjoying something don't make it immune from criticism. I'm still enjoying SCH too, but I'm also still going to complain about the parts that don't work well.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Enjoying something don't make it immune from criticism. I'm still enjoying SCH too, but I'm also still going to complain about the parts that don't work well.

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This is basically as reasonable as I can say it myself. I ditched AST because it (presently) feels like hot garbage to me so I moved to SCH. SCH feels okay but that doesn't mean I don't have a few gripes about it myself that have been well documented by the community as it is.

Glad you're enjoying yourself. But the content doesn't provide any more healing than the launch of stormblood did. If anything, none of the dungeons are really as hard as Bardam's mettle, and the trials are pretty much the least healing intensive we've ever had.

The impression of added healing is just the regular "everyone is made out of paper" initial expansion release healing. Ex roulette is already pretty faceroll and it'll get even easier as we gear up.
To each their own though. We already knew the changes wouldn't affect a part of the player base that much so it's good that you're enjoying yourself. Do expect changes to healers though as SE have acknowledged the issue apparently.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Do expect changes to healers though as SE have acknowledged the issue apparently.

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Really? Source? I’d love to read up on that.

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Originally Posted by glamazon

Really? Source? I’d love to read up on that.

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It was in the latest patch notes right below where they showed the reduced mp costs for gravity and AoW. Though it didn't say much, just "further class changes are coming in 5.05"

I'm adapting to the SCH change, but I kind of run into a SCH/SCH situation in Eden DF. I used emergency tactic succor, indo, and recitation relatively one after each other; so I was left with spamming succor during the next two party aoe. Normal succor feels pretty weak in that moment.