DPS Check in the 80er MSQ Dungeon Trust

This is so stupid...fail,fail,Dancer ist not a single target damage class
and the trust is...meh?
Far away to be called Dps.

That one was tough for me too (bard here). I suppose you are already wearing your lvl 80 job left side set, and best you can on right side? I kept failing between 2-4% of 2nd boss hp (final boss was fine). Finally, with the help of some food, some dex potions, Alphinaud as healer and Ysthola as DPS, I beat it just half a whisker before the wipe. DPS is not Trusts' best skill for sure... and maybe I am not be very good at it myself, lol.

Time to learn

Perhaps a food buff would help?

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Time to learn

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Been trying since I started the game (to learn I mean) and I will keep trying ;)

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Time to learn

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Thanks but im perfect.There is nothing to learn only for the Trust DPS.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Perhaps a food buff would help?

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That helped me indeed.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Perhaps a food buff would help?

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Yes indeed i will try it.

I'm curious how I was able to one shot it on my PLD that was undergeared yet actual DPS can't seem to clear it.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

I'm curious how I was able to one shot it on my PLD that was undergeared yet actual DPS can't seem to clear it.

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Yeah, cleared it easily myself as a AST with Trusts still wearing 79 stuff on the right side.

Do any bosses even HAVE enrage timers?

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

I'm curious how I was able to one shot it on my PLD that was undergeared yet actual DPS can't seem to clear it.

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Yeah, I went in as a WAR because at that point, tank queues were atrocious. So I was like "WHY NOT", better spend more time actually running the dungeon than waiting on queue. We beat the final boss no problem. No Rokan gear, a mix up of leveling gear from previous dungeons. I cleared it without issues.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Yeah, cleared it easily myself as a AST with Trusts still wearing 79 stuff on the right side.

Do any bosses even HAVE enrage timers?

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I'm honestly not sure. The final boss of Amaurot seems to have something close to be an enrage timer, as it approaches the southern edge of the arena. I have never reached the point, neither with trusts or actual people, where it jumps on the last bit of it? if that ever happens at all or just stays there?

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Yeah, cleared it easily myself as a AST with Trusts still wearing 79 stuff on the right side.

Do any bosses even HAVE enrage timers?

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Therion doesn't really have an enrage timer per se, but you can fail the fight when there's no more room for his jump move. Even when you're at the last portion of the bridge/platform it takes a while for that to happen.

Personally ( I dont know about the OP), I cleared the last boss of Amaurot smoothly. The one that gave me a rough time was the second one, if I am not mistaken. And yeah, it would wipe us if we didnt kill it fast enough, which I has trouble doing. I can think of several factors for that in my case; trusts DPS is just one of them, but I am sure it's not the only one (I repeat, in MY case).

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Originally Posted by Cemil

Thanks but im perfect.There is nothing to learn only for the Trust DPS.

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No offense, but I also used trusts for my first runs on those dungeons, and was also playing as a dancer. On that last fight, I did end up dying once, but this is only because I fell off. :P The next time was fine.

Simply blaming the trust DPS isn't the way to go. If you couldn't clear the dungeon as is, it's time to practice more. They've designed those fights that even players entering as healers can clear it with trusts - and their DPS is even less than a DNC.

To my surprise, I actually did manage to beat it all in one shot without dying as a Machinist going in blind. Although on the last one I was at the very edge when I killed it. I had my gear from Gerolt’s doppelgänger and random jewelry from upgraded level 70 tombstone and the few dungeon drops I got along the way. I had used Thancred, Urianger & Y’shtola as my crew.

Since I went in blind in all of the dungeons, all I did was follow Urianger and see where he moved to since they know where the attacks are coming from next, all the while I continue to shoot at the bosses. From this, I figured out the boss patterns without looking for guides to spoiler the fights. Fun times!

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

No offense, but I also used trusts for my first runs on those dungeons, and was also playing as a dancer. On that last fight, I did end up dying once, but this is only because I fell off. :P The next time was fine.

Simply blaming the trust DPS isn't the way to go. If you couldn't clear the dungeon as is, it's time to practice more. They've designed those fights that even players entering as healers can clear it with trusts - and their DPS is even less than a DNC.

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I've cleared it with 3 account with healers and I've done nothing but trust dungeons for msq. I've found them to be fine. I will die sometimes if I get careless but trusts have been a lot of fun for me with instant queues and sure loot.

Dancer has decent single target dps and really good burst. Dancer can burst really hard with technical, standard step, 3 fans stored and saber dance

I did fine too. Maybe you had the worst luck ever with dnc procs. But using standar and technical on cool down and he was pretty easy.

Not a single issue.

First time with trust
Second time with random people

The fight can be a bit struggling if you don't have Y'shtola with you if you run with Trust.

Y'shtola is basically a must for me because she is the highest DPS of the 3 DPS Trust companions due to how she will nuke single targets with her 3 flare spam. She does it quite often as well which helps a lot even in trash mob encounters.

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Originally Posted by Genbe197

I did fine too. Maybe you had the worst luck ever with dnc procs. But using standar and technical on cool down and he was pretty easy.

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I see a lot of dancers that don't use standard step on cooldown; only to refresh the buff. Which is a huge mistake. Standard step is actually your biggest source of dps. If you aren't using it every 30 seconds then you're really gimping your damage.

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I'm curious how I was able to one shot it on my PLD that was undergeared yet actual DPS can't seem to clear it.

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This.

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Do any bosses even HAVE enrage timers?

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Yes, 2nd boss needs to be killed before it finishes readying Burst.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I see a lot of dancers that don't use standard step on cooldown; only to refresh the buff. Which is a huge mistake. Standard step is actually your biggest source of dps. If you aren't using it every 30 seconds then you're really gimping your damage.

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I've found the best way to deal with the situation is to simply agree with people who think their DNC is bad and say they should play whatever they think is better. The DNC is literally the simplest class to play and if peeps haven't figured it out then they are never going to. When you tell them how to play it properly, their emotional defenses are going to go up and they're going to call you a toxic elitist. Leave them to their fantasy and echochambers.

It doesn't hurt the rest of us, it doesn't hurt them. Everyone is happy.

I know its contrary in your line of thinking. You're just wanting to help. I get it, I want to help too. But in 2019, people don't want help, they want to vent. Just let them have their venting. We do more harm than good by trying to help. It doesn't work anymore.

I guess is what happens when another player can't be blamed...

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Originally Posted by Typhoria

I guess is what happens when another player can't be blamed...

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You may have a point.

When I run Dohn Mheg. I occassionally see the Fantasia phase after the big swamp monster thing. Where the boss turns into a little toad thing. When I did the dungeon in Trust, that never popped up. So for it to pop up in a DF group means the other DPS is doing less damage than Alisae, Minfilia, or Yshtola.

We can't say its because they don't AOE. Its a 100% single target fight. So literally single target to single target, some players are doing less DPS than NPCs. The NPCs can do the bare minimum of damage as evidenced by the fact you can run two of them if you Tank or Heal in a trust. So... that means if a player runs a Trust as a DPS and fails a DPS check. Its not their class (as evidenced by others being just fine), its not the NPCs, its only them. Them and only them.

The dps check on the 2nd boss? I wasn't aware it was even possible to fail that.

I just think that you dps less than my low geared tank, you need to git gud, do you push button each gcd ?

I don’t even know what you guys are talking about. So I’m guessing I had no issues because I can’t remember it.

Use Standard/Technical Step off cooldown.
Use Flourish off cooldown.
Use Fan Dance 3 procs when you get them.

DNC is proc/cooldown reliant. Use them often and you'll do fine damage-wise. It very well can be used for single target.

You gon’ learn. I passed it with trusts and I wasn’t one of the DPS.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I've found the best way to deal with the situation is to simply agree with people who think their DNC is bad and say they should play whatever they think is better. The DNC is literally the simplest class to play and if peeps haven't figured it out then they are never going to. When you tell them how to play it properly, their emotional defenses are going to go up and they're going to call you a toxic elitist. Leave them to their fantasy and echochambers.

It doesn't hurt the rest of us, it doesn't hurt them. Everyone is happy.

I know its contrary in your line of thinking. You're just wanting to help. I get it, I want to help too. But in 2019, people don't want help, they want to vent. Just let them have their venting. We do more harm than good by trying to help. It doesn't work anymore.

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I wouldn't generalize. There are a lot of players that really appreciate help/tips/advice/encouragement and always will, no matter the year. If some players don't, up to them. But better trying to help than giving up beforehand, in my opinion. In the end, it is what it makes this community much more welcoming than others.

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Originally Posted by Cemil

This is so stupid...fail,fail,Dancer ist not a single target damage class
and the trust is...meh?
Far away to be called Dps.

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Unless you're dying a lot there's literally no excuse for failing against that boss.

Waits. Are you guys talking about Amourot???

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Do any bosses even HAVE enrage timers?

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Terminus Bellwether boss in Amaurot could be considered to have an enrage timer I think? Since once you beat the adds it summons, it'll start a slow-cast attack that will wipe the party if it goes off.

I had trouble with this fight as a RDM as well. I had the 430 ilvl class gear on the left, and a mix of 390 & 406 ilvl gear on the right (I'd had 2 drops for caster gear from previous dungeons). I'll agree that taking Y'shatola is preferred, especially over Alisaie.. for 2 reasons. She has the highest/best dps of the 3 trust dps, and she does NOT use the Limit Break - unlike Alisaie who will virtually use the LB whenever it's up. Ryne also doesn't use the LB, so is also an option... but she does less dps (imo) than Y'shatola.

What I ended up doing was saving the LB till close to the wipe-cast going off and then using caster LB. Yes caster LB is the least damage of all the dps LB's (but rdm is my only 80), but as the boss is taking more damage the lower it's hp... it does decent damage. So the small buff from food, taking Y'shatola and using the LB let me beat the fight in the end.

And for those wondering - yes I use the melee combo of RDM, I do use my 2 dps CD's whenever I can... I do try and time them at the same time when possible, ie use Embolden, then Manafacation, then melee combo, then Verflare/holy, Scorch, back to normal.

Note - I should also note that I do have a disability which effects my reactions, reflex's and eye-to-hand co-ordination somewhat. So this does make it harder for me to get through 'tough' fights, or movement heavy fights, or such. On top of that I'm also not in America (I'm on US data center), so have higher lag & latency due to that as well.

During that last bit where you need to dps the boss down quick, I did it as a rdm with Ryne and Uriange, I saved the LB for that bit (got clobbered by some aoes because I couldn't move while the lb was going off) and dpsed it down decently in time, just essentially save all of what ever burst you have for that bit.

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Originally Posted by Cemil

This is so stupid...fail,fail,Dancer ist not a single target damage class
and the trust is...meh?
Far away to be called Dps.

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You're just bad. Learn your proper rotation and opener, and all your troubles will vanish.

Caster LB > Ranged LB btw

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Originally Posted by Cemil

Thanks but im perfect.There is nothing to learn only for the Trust DPS.

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“It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.”

And by the way, I’m leveling a DNC now. Granted I’m only doing SB content on it, but I’ve never felt so OP. I’m sure that changes in SHB. But from 60-70 holy crap.

I completed this as DNC, with Thancred, Alphy, and Alisaie. For gear I had the level 80 job's set, and then whatever I looted on the way to 80 (I ran each dungeon only once, so there's that). I had no issues on that boss, as I beat it on the first try, and I'm not the best dancer. So it's perfectly doable without going all out with food, etc.

Just as a reminder, use both Standard Step and Technical Step on CD. Same about Saber Dance, Fan Dance, etc. In other words, don't leave your stronger skills sitting there gathering dust, especially during a DPS check. Also, use Devilment before doing a burst, don't waste in on regular skills, unless you have all the step buffs up and use Flourish. Remember which ones are your most powerful skills, including the AoE ones, and proritize them over the rest when they're up.

It's worth mentioning that while Fan Dance I/II can be saved up to 4 times, Fan Dance III doesn't. So, if it's up, use the latter before you use the former or you'll have lost dps if it triggers Flourishing Fan Dance again. Same thing can be said about Saber Dance, as you shouldn't wait to have the Esprit Gauge at 100 to use it, because you're potentially missing Esprit at that point.

Oh, and this might be obvious, but just in case: Closed Position can be used with NPCs (including during the non-trust instances).