Drk Abyssal Drain

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07-20-2019, 10:05 AM
kobe-sabi

Drk Abyssal Drain

can we please get two charges of "Abyssal Drain" 60 sec is way to long for this Ability, i been leveling all the tanks and the DRK feels like it lacks in the crowd control department. we only have "Rampart" and "Shadow Wall" to cycle through.
07-20-2019, 10:14 AM
Donjo

You've got The Blackest Night, the most powerful "Short Cooldown" mitigation skill any Tank has. Everyone also has Arm's Length, which will slow anything that hits you while it's active. Add those to the Rampart and Sentinel arsenal and survivability will increase quite nicely.

As for Abyssal Drain itself, it's the same cooldown as Equilibrium and Aurora - the skills that are basically its equivalents. Those two skills also provide 1200 potency of healing, whereas Abyssal Drain provides 200 potency per target. That means that in a big pull it's the best of the three.

Meanwhile, Clemency is laughing at us all...
07-20-2019, 11:04 AM
kobe-sabi

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Originally Posted by Donjo

You've got The Blackest Night, the most powerful "Short Cooldown" mitigation skill any Tank has. Everyone also has Arm's Length, which will slow anything that hits you while it's active. Add those to the Rampart and Sentinel arsenal and survivability will increase quite nicely.

As for Abyssal Drain itself, it's the same cooldown as Equilibrium and Aurora - the skills that are basically its equivalents. Those two skills also provide 1200 potency of healing, whereas Abyssal Drain provides 200 potency per target. That means that in a big pull it's the best of the three.

Meanwhile, Clemency is laughing at us all...

My Warrior Nascent Flash makes clemency look like a joke, i can pull everything pop infuriate, Nascent flash, cyclone, overpower, temepest, back to almost top off.
07-20-2019, 11:09 AM
Marxam

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Originally Posted by Donjo

You've got The Blackest Night, the most powerful "Short Cooldown" mitigation skill any Tank has. Everyone also has Arm's Length, which will slow anything that hits you while it's active. Add those to the Rampart and Sentinel arsenal and survivability will increase quite nicely.

As for Abyssal Drain itself, it's the same cooldown as Equilibrium and Aurora - the skills that are basically its equivalents. Those two skills also provide 1200 potency of healing, whereas Abyssal Drain provides 200 potency per target. That means that in a big pull it's the best of the three.

Meanwhile, Clemency is laughing at us all...

I would take Nascent Flash over Clemency any day since you are also doing dmg while healing, though it is ironic that the WAR has more lifesteal than DRK. But yeah, TBN till the cows come home. I haven't had any issues with DRK in wall to wall pulls so far.
07-20-2019, 11:10 AM
Seraph522

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Originally Posted by kobe-sabi

My Warrior Nascent Flash makes clemency look like a joke, i can pull everything pop infuriate, Nascent flash, cyclone, overpower, temepest, back to almost top off.

And with The Blackest Night, you can basically get a free extra 25% of your hp back every 15s if you use it on cooldown, which you should. If you're spamming your AoE combo alongside Blood Weapon, Cut & Slash, and Delirium, you should have more than enough mp to use it whenever it's off cooldown. Throw another cooldown between each and you're good to go.
07-20-2019, 01:06 PM
Donjo

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Nascent Flash

See, the thing with Nascent Flash is that selfishly using it on a party member who is not taking any damage solely to get the life steal is overwhelmingly likely to not be the intended use of the skill. They probably want you to use Raw Intuition instead, hence the cooldown share. I wouldn't be surprised if that healing gets nerfed. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't get nerfed either. This is Warrior we're talking about :P

But, a bit more serious: I don't have Warrior leveled up enough to use Nascent Flash yet. It's healing for 50% damage dealt, I hear? If so, wouldn't that make it the only Tank skill that still directly uses damage dealt? Storm's Path, Brutal Shell, Souleater, and Abyssal Drain all have their heal abstracted away from the damage the hit itself deals...
07-20-2019, 01:49 PM
Danelo

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

And with The Blackest Night, you can basically get a free extra 25% of your hp back every 15s if you use it on cooldown, which you should. If you're spamming your AoE combo alongside Blood Weapon, Cut & Slash, and Delirium, you should have more than enough mp to use it whenever it's off cooldown. Throw another cooldown between each and you're good to go.

In single target AD is a loss. Not even comparable to the other tanks. Spamming TBN will net you having a 500 potency punishment every single time it does not pop. And the 300 potency cure attached to SE is laughable considering what WAR's path is 250 cure potency and it has flash and equilibrium. TBN needs to be reduced in cost and AD needs to be reworked to be brought in line with other tanks for self sustain and also needs damage buffs. DRK is once again at the bottom in multiple catagories making it the least desired tank. Check out fflogs
07-20-2019, 01:52 PM
Duskane

personally i think Abyssal drain should be 1000 pot heal on main target and 200 pot on the rest just so its closer to Clemency,Equilibrium and aurora
07-20-2019, 02:42 PM
Maneesha

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Originally Posted by Danelo

In single target AD is a loss. Not even comparable to the other tanks. Spamming TBN will net you having a 500 potency punishment every single time it does not pop. And the 300 potency cure attached to SE is laughable considering what WAR's path is 250 cure potency and it has flash and equilibrium. TBN needs to be reduced in cost and AD needs to be reworked to be brought in line with other tanks for self sustain and also needs damage buffs. DRK is once again at the bottom in multiple catagories making it the least desired tank. Check out fflogs

Its free, how can it be a loss? What do you mean exactly? I agree that TBN feels like a punishment every time it doesn't pop or that you have to always "pray" it pops once you use the skill, this is stupid and no one should have those kinda feelings for using a skill. Reducing it cost doesn't change much how you'll feel for it not popping , you are still taping into your dps resource. Path's and Souleater's heal is really not important imo, no one relies on it in extreme/savage or any other party environment and where you might rely on it (solo content), most of it is faceroll and not important.It might be important for soloing 8man content, sure, but that is a different topic and has not much to do with balance :P

While i am fine with TBN in it self(except when it does not pop....), the only way i would like it to be changed is to remove the dark arts aspect of the skill, remove the skill from mp resource and give it a 30sec cd. 30 sec for the reason of not touching its absorb power. For comparison, raw intuition is 20% with 5sec duration on a 25sec cd, TBN 25% with 7sec duration on a 30sec cd.

Also guys don't forget that flash shares a cd with raw intuition, so you have to always choose which of those you want and that it requires a target to be applied, not saying its not a very powerful ability. I am curious if it will stay this way or if the devs might decide to touch it in an upcoming patch.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

personally i think Abyssal drain should be 1000 pot heal on main target and 200 pot on the rest just so its closer to Clemency,Equilibrium and aurora

200 might be a bit much, but something like 30-50 pot might be reasonable, since the scaling will be insane and only limited by the radius and how many enemies you can hit with it turning it(with your proposal) easily into 2k potencies and more. I would love it, but "balance" ..
07-20-2019, 04:11 PM
Danelo

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Originally Posted by Maneesha

Its free, how can it be a loss? What do you mean exactly? ..

It's a loss in self sustain compared to the other tank jobs. Every other tank has a 1200 potency heal, regardless of multi target or single target, albeit in different forms. So just speaking in terms of equilibrium, aurora, clemency and AD, not to mention the other healing options, DRK is at a disadvantage. The only circumstance DRK is not disadvantaged is on wall to wall dungeon pulls. Even then it breaks even with 6 enemies. But if dungeons were the mecha of this game not many would have had an issue with 4.x DRK bc it's AoE was awesome.

The minimal damage associated with AD doesn't justify the low self sustain when talking about comparable tank CDs.
07-20-2019, 05:57 PM
Maneesha

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Originally Posted by Danelo

It's a loss in self sustain compared to the other tank jobs. Every other tank has a 1200 potency heal, regardless of multi target or single target, albeit in different forms. So just speaking in terms of equilibrium, aurora, clemency and AD, not to mention the other healing options, DRK is at a disadvantage. The only circumstance DRK is not disadvantaged is on wall to wall dungeon pulls. Even then it breaks even with 6 enemies. But if dungeons were the mecha of this game not many would have had an issue with 4.x DRK bc it's AoE was awesome.

The minimal damage associated with AD doesn't justify the low self sustain when talking about comparable tank CDs.

ah its not worth to use on single target for the heal, true. was a bit confused because of the word "loss", which is the wrong term for what you want to express.but i get what you mean, thou i don't fully agree. for raiding you don't rely on the tanks self-heal, in dungeons while its nice, also. so where you might want it is solo content, which obviously the devs don't balance the jobs around. i wouldn't complain about a 30sec or no cd abyssal drain, but it wont be important imo. also i really loved the dark arts>abyssal drain combo in hw and sb for dungeons, gonna miss it from a style and fun point of view.