Hrothgar General complaint

The Hrothgar in design is something I am very happy with although it feels like some of the appearance hasn't been addressed on forums.

Like I said I am very happy to be a Hrothgar/Ronso, though the following should be addressed:

1. Mount sizes, should be as big as the Roe/Aura since his hands do not actually physically touch the mounts when he's riding them.

2. The hair is constantly in the robes/cloaks and some armoured (and non-collared) gear which is very frustrating.

2a. In relation to 2, Some of the equipment specifically the scholar's book is not properly held by the Hrothgar since the book is too small for the casting animation.

3. I should not need to use a fantasia potion just to change my hair, the hair designs cannot be altered without changing the physical face in the screen (I would like to put my hair up to avoid problem 2).

4. Hrothgar cannot wear many helmets of the past which I come to hear is an issue being addressed.

Thank you very much

If you know that #4 is being adressed, why bring it up?
It's time consuming and it will take time but it is worked on.
Kinda feel like that one could've been left out honestly.

Something I wonder and not sure if it was ever addressed: It's to be expected that past items are a hassle to remodel for Hroths (and Viera, for that matter) but at the same time all the future head slot items to be released should take both of them into consideration.

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Originally Posted by pvvee

3. I should not need to use a fantasia potion just to change my hair, the hair designs cannot be altered without changing the physical face in the screen (I would like to put my hair up to avoid problem 2).

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This is a serious issue, especially since they stated that they were going to add new faces/hairstyles over time. It's not fair that Hrothgar need to drop 10 bucks just to change their hairstyle. I get that since it affects their face type as well it's more than just a simple cosmetic change, but if they're going to lock a basic customization feature such as hair behind a paywall like that then they should have looked into ways to make the hair and face separate. I don't understand how SE expects people to stay committed to one style, and they didn't even make it an option to at least change between hairstyles that are linked to the same face type. I sincerely hope they change this in the future.

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Originally Posted by Destati

This is a serious issue, especially since they stated that they were going to add new faces/hairstyles over time. It's not fair that Hrothgar need to drop 10 bucks just to change their hairstyle. I get that since it affects their face type as well it's more than just a simple cosmetic change, but if they're going to lock a basic customization feature such as hair behind a paywall like that then they should have looked into ways to make the hair and face separate. I don't understand how SE expects people to stay committed to one style, and they didn't even make it an option to at least change between hairstyles that are linked to the same face type. I sincerely hope they change this in the future.

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Yeah this is the big downside on it, hairstyles stuck to face and needing 10 bucks to change your hair. I really hope they change that and add more hairstyles.

their animations are pretty bad. they run like somebody shoved a broom handle up their arse

They may not ever add new hairstyles. SO I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Functionally, Hrothgar hairstyles work the same as Au Ra horns. They use the same variable slot.
This is likely why the hair can't be hidden under helmets as well, just like Au Ra horns always stick through helmets.
The hair system has been utilized for fur patterns and colours, so we're more likely to get more fur patterns.
This makes Hrothgar the only race who can change their skin tone at the Aesthetician.

The problem with the hair sticking through the robes is why I changed my hrothgar to a viera. Because a viera doesn't have that problem as far as I have seen.

The only Hrothgar complaint i have is that when they are aiming machinist weapons, they are pointing towards the ground instead at the enemy, thats the only reason i dont play Hrothgar

The only thing that might (and a very big might) be addressed (other than 4 which is already being addressed) is 3. 1 and 2 have been rampant throughout this game, not just with Hrothgar and probably won't ever be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

They may not ever add new hairstyles. SO I wouldn't get your hopes up.

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From E3 Q&A "Since Hrothgar have hairstyles tied to their character creation options rather than being separately selectable, you will not be able to apply unlockable hairstyles, but they might implement more face types after 5.0."

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Functionally, Hrothgar hairstyles work the same as Au Ra horns. They use the same variable slot.
This is likely why the hair can't be hidden under helmets as well, just like Au Ra horns always stick through helmets.
The hair system has been utilized for fur patterns and colours, so we're more likely to get more fur patterns.
This makes Hrothgar the only race who can change their skin tone at the Aesthetician.

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The Hrothgar cannot change their actual skin tone. What we can change is the color of their fur, which is the functional equivalent of hair color + highlights. Honestly? If they had to lock something to the face like Au Ra horns, they should have used the fur patterns and have a slot free for interchangeable hair. Especially since fur patterns are more often than not covered by armor.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

their animations are pretty bad. they run like somebody shoved a broom handle up their arse

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Says the Au Ra whose character models face is so low textured it looks like something out of Minecraft. They are a beast race, they move like beasts. At least the character models are super high textured and detailed...unlike some races ...cough cough... Au Ra

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Says the Au Ra whose character models face is so low textured it looks like something out of Minecraft. They are a beast race, they move like beasts. At least the character models are super high textured and detailed...unlike some races ...cough cough... Au Ra

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We got meat on our bones!

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

If you know that #4 is being adressed, why bring it up?
It's time consuming and it will take time but it is worked on.
Kinda feel like that one could've been left out honestly.

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Because it was only on the rumour mill, i cant be too sure about what people have actually said

What should happen is they add new hairstyles for each face, and then those become available in the aesthetician. If they are going to be tied to the face...fine, but you shouldn't have to Fantasia to change your hair. Just have the styles tied to the face you chose available.

Non hunchback option to pls

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

their animations are pretty bad. they run like somebody shoved a broom handle up their arse

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Really? I always thought Au'ra males did that myself tbh. It's why I avoided one, don't feel like my hrothgar runs like that though.

I'd still prefer to not hunch over though myself as well lol

it would be nice to be able to change the skin color for these guys
since its basically just fur it really cant be too much of a stretch
possibly even fang length

and as Dyn said should be able to atleast choose the other Hair style our face has

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Originally Posted by mario710

Non hunchback option to pls

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/cpose

10/10 chars

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

/cpose

10/10 chars

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so I have to wait idly or type in a command to have good posture?

Change in your settings for poses to begin immediately. There won’t be a delay.

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Originally Posted by mario710

so I have to wait idly or type in a command to have good posture?

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The only time my character hunched was when idle right after I used a fantasia, which was fixed by one use of /cpose.

At this point, I hardly even remembered that Hrothgars hunched by default.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Change in your settings for poses to begin immediately. There won’t be a delay.

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And this.

I wonder if they really are making new faces for Hrothgar or will they just use the same faces, but with different hair? I think the latter is more likely. Still, having to use fantasia just to change hairstyle is bad.

Hrothgar also looks like they have 1 less customizable option in the aesthetician compared to the all the other races. Since the Au Ra could turn on/off their imbral eye and change the colors, I was of the opinion that Hrothgar could at least change fang length in the aesthetician, but we can't.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if they really are making new faces for Hrothgar or will they just use the same faces, but with different hair? I think the latter is more likely. Still, having to use fantasia just to change hairstyle is bad.

Hrothgar also looks like they have 1 less customizable option in the aesthetician compared to the all the other races. Since the Au Ra could turn on/off their imbral eye and change the colors, I was of the opinion that Hrothgar could at least change fang length in the aesthetician, but we can't.

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id say its just mixing up combinations of what we have

couple hair on different faces
facial features like horns and scars changed up
and he did mention something about new face paints

would be nice for helion to have the options for a little less tatts on the face

It really feels like the viera were designed in 6 months and the ronzo were designed in a week. The quality and oversights are laughable.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Says the Au Ra whose character models face is so low textured it looks like something out of Minecraft. They are a beast race, they move like beasts. At least the character models are super high textured and detailed...unlike some races ...cough cough... Au Ra

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i don't know, i don't remember the lupin shambling around like stroke victims

well, first of all where is my yellow, orange,and red color palettes



and second wtf is this: (this is Eden tank helmet)


https://i.imgur.com/g3uOiiP.gif

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Originally Posted by Destati

This is a serious issue, especially since they stated that they were going to add new faces/hairstyles over time. It's not fair that Hrothgar need to drop 10 bucks just to change their hairstyle. I get that since it affects their face type as well it's more than just a simple cosmetic change, but if they're going to lock a basic customization feature such as hair behind a paywall like that then they should have looked into ways to make the hair and face separate. I don't understand how SE expects people to stay committed to one style, and they didn't even make it an option to at least change between hairstyles that are linked to the same face type. I sincerely hope they change this in the future.

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Especially without prior warning! They should have at least given us a warning saying that hairstyles are not yet implement for this race. Like I said I'm loving the race still, even after all these flaws, but I see why people are going Mitoque and Viera as opposed to anything else these days (from what I've seen on Kujata).

This is something that ir irks me about the lion-men. We knew what we got on the preview in the benchmark alongside them stating that we would get more hair styles over time. I can live with that. But one could have think that at least they would have been cautious with the clipping of the face on some gear, specially since in cutscenes our character moves and stands up at some point like every other race.

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Originally Posted by Hopecord

well, first of all where is my yellow, orange,and red color palettes



and second wtf is this: (this is Eden tank helmet)


https://i.imgur.com/g3uOiiP.gif

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Yeah same. Originally I wanted my Hrothgar to be red haired. since it wasn't possible, I took white, like 90% of the Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

Yeah same. Originally I wanted my Hrothgar to be red haired. since it wasn't possible, I took white, like 90% of the Hrothgar.

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everyone loves the Kimba look

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

Yeah same. Originally I wanted my Hrothgar to be red haired. since it wasn't possible, I took white, like 90% of the Hrothgar.

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I personally was aiming for Red XIII, and read some good ideas like someone was planning to make his character a moomba fro FF8. Such a wasted opportunity from SE part. I believe everyone who changed to Hrothgar at some point should get a free Fantasia. the race is alright but far from complete.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

their animations are pretty bad. they run like somebody shoved a broom handle up their arse

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You're saying this as an Au Ra who has a horrible, and dare I say, even worse run animation than Hrothgar?

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Originally Posted by Pressure

The only Hrothgar complaint i have is that when they are aiming machinist weapons, they are pointing towards the ground instead at the enemy, thats the only reason i dont play Hrothgar

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That's on all races, that's how Machinist's idle animation was made.

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Originally Posted by mario710

Non hunchback option to pls

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This is the only request that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by armandojc3

It really feels like the viera were designed in 6 months and the ronzo were designed in a week. The quality and oversights are laughable.

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Sex sells.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

Yeah same. Originally I wanted my Hrothgar to be red haired. since it wasn't possible, I took white, like 90% of the Hrothgar.

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My Hrothgar has red hair? I'm guessing you wanted like super Crayola colored red?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

everyone loves the Kimba look

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

My Hrothgar has red hair? I'm guessing you wanted like super Crayola colored red?

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I meant red like this

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...6d170348ec.jpg

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Originally Posted by pvvee

3. I should not need to use a fantasia potion just to change my hair

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That has to be an oversight...
They seemed to rush Viera and the Ronso out the gate sadly.
We can only hope they fix it up as time goes.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

My Hrothgar has red hair? I'm guessing you wanted like super Crayola colored red?

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There's no "Mary Jane" red hair, it's either orange-brown or magenta, and because Hroths have fur patterns instead of highlights you can't even blend it to make it look redder.

*edit*

Also, I think if they toned down the hues of the yellow and red skintones of Helions they'd look better. Unless they really thought to see lots of Pikachus and Pink Panthers around...

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

That has to be an oversight...
They seemed to rush Viera and the Ronso out the gate sadly.
We can only hope they fix it up as time goes.

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My guess is that later down the road when we get more hairstyles they will make an option for Hrothgars to change them ingame.
More hairstyles to each face and they can make it possible to change between those hairstyles to your current face.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

their animations are pretty bad. they run like somebody shoved a broom handle up their arse

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There's a difference between personal preference and facts bro.
From every Hrothgar exclusive animation and emote I've seen they've put great care and attention into them. Logically part of it is that the race DEMANDS large, expressive body language and being someone who animates I favor the big and expressive cause that shit is hard and I love it when I see it done well. Half the reason I went Hrothgar over Viera is because of this.

Hrothgar are dramatic AF and I love it! Might not be everyone's cup of tie but it's clear to me they put great amounts of time, thought and effort into them.
And it shows if you pay attention.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

My guess is that later down the road when we get more hairstyles they will make an option for Hrothgars to change them ingame.
More hairstyles to each face and they can make it possible to change between those hairstyles to your current face.

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This could only happen if the new hairstyles would land into the fur pattern category, because as we know they dont have a hairstyle one and Yoshida already once said that its quite hard to just add new categories into the character customization. Also why not add them from the start? Because there might be players even now that would like to change their manes but they cant. (And they are also stuck with a certain face)