So, Interject...mostly useless?

I admit, I thought interject was going to have more play than what i'm currently finding.

I feel its mostly useless at this stage in the game (though future raids pending of course) for these three reasons:

1. I'm struggling to think of a boss that has a move that can be interjected
2. Most mobs that have a move that can be interjected can also be stunned to the same effect of canceling the move.
3. A good amount of trash mobs that have a move that can be interjected have such a fast cast time that it's almost impossible to catch the spell to interject it (example, the fire doom walls in the Hell's Lid).

What do you all think?

One thing to take into consideration, stuns have diminishing returns, Interject, afaik, does not. While it's true that enemies that have interruptable abilities are often prone to being stunned, and in the cases where an interrupt is very important you should be holding back on the stun for that moment, it's still something to be considered, as if the mob becomes stun immune, because, say, the WHM is going all trigger happy with Holy or something, Interject will let you interrupt an ability you'd rather they didn't get off.

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

EDIT: Oh, and while the situation has never come up afaik, it's quite possible that Interject will be useful for if you ever want to move a spellcaster mob. Stunning them holds them in place, accomplishing nothing, while interrupting them will usually get them to chase you for a very short while.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

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Tanks lost convalescence, anticipation, and awareness going into 5.0 Those cd's were helpful when rampart and your main ones were still on cd, and conval was fantastic if your healing was having trouble or was potentially undergeared.

Arm's Length is an absolute godsend for big pulls as it applies Slow to any mob that physically hits you. This causes their autos to move slower(as well as casts) so it will give your healers wiggle room. Arm's Length alone I would say makes up for con/anticipation both despite it only lasting 6 seconds because the slow effect lasts for 15 seconds. That is absolutely HUGE.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

Arm's Length is an absolute godsend for big pulls as it applies Slow to any mob that physically hits you. This causes their autos to move slower(as well as casts) so it will give your healers wiggle room. Arm's Length alone I would say makes up for con/anticipation both despite it only lasting 6 seconds because the slow effect lasts for 15 seconds. That is absolutely HUGE.

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You know, I honestly glossed over that part. As a ranged phys main, I rarely have things hitting me, so long as the tank is decent anyway, and even when I do, I just park it next to the tank, and I rarely have need of kiting in world content. But now that you've pointed that out to me, yeah I can see how useful that is. Weird that they attached that to a skill that's primarily for knockback resist, or at least the way they worded the tooltip suggests it's intended for knockback resist.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Weird that they attached that to a skill that's primarily for knockback resist, or at least the way they worded the tooltip suggests it's intended for knockback resist.

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It's because they took away Tempered Will for PLD and made Holmgang simply bind a target now. Both skills used to keep you grounded so most knockback wouldn't happen but to make it fair to all four tanks they decided to remove TW, adjust Holm, and give all tanks Arm's Length so they all can do it the same way.

MOSTLY useless? Yes.

Here's the list of things I've used Interject on (or rather, "Head Graze", the BRD/MCH/DNC equivalent).
1) Those frog dudes in the lv73 dungeon. Right when you aggro them, they will begin to cast a buff on one of their friends. This can be interjected, and they only ever try to use it right at the beginning.
2) One type of monster (I think the big chimera looking things?) in the lv79 dungeon. These cast... something, I forget what, that can be interjected. The effect looks like a big holy, it hurts everyone real bad, and if two of them do it at once, it'll nearly wipe the group.
3) Old stuff. I haven't done much old content since ShB hit, but I found interject mildly useful for Void Thunder 3 (last boss of Haukke Manor), and for Ram's Voice / Dragon's Voice when you're up against Chimera mobs (Rabanastre + World of Darkness ally raids), but that's nothing new.


And since the conversation moved to Arm's Length...
1) As Noitems mentioned, it's great for applying Slow to mobs during a trash pull.
2) In boss 3 of the lv75 dungeon, and boss 2 of the 77 dungeon, it's good for ignoring the knockback (though its recast isn't fast enough to spend it on every knockback).

I'm not a fan of the limited uses of Interject, especially after they seemed to make a big deal out of it. I hate to make a second comparison today but I guess I have to. In SWTOR, pretty much all the jobs had an interrupt ability with no diminishing returns and unless the enemy was specifically immune to being interrupted, you could interrupt EVERY ability that had a cast bar, didn't matter what it was.

If an enemy used a lot of cast bars, with the right combo of abilities you could completely lock them down and make them unable to do anything. It felt great coordinating that with your party and completely shutting down a dangerous enemy so it couldn't do anything. While I doubt the devs of this game would ever go that far, I'd love more spells to interrupt and have them made more dangerous if they aren't interrupted.

Those abilities you can use Interject on ALSO stop the enemy completely like a Stun would, and never depreciates either so if it gets a second chance to use said skill Interject will still work the same while Stun might still be in a depreciated, or even immune, state.

For the most part it hasn't been used for bosses, but there are certain trash mobs with big AoE hits that you will want to use it on, more so if you have two of the same mob. Those things will HURT if allowed to cast them together.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Personally, I'm having trouble finding any meaningful use of Arm's Length. There just doesn't seem to be any knockbacks that are affected by Arm's Length, at least none that are worth the effort of tracking. Should be noted I play ranged phys, and am only just getting into tanking, so I've not got any experience with any knockbacks that tanks alone have to deal with, if there are any.

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Arm's Length is good when the Boss is using a knockback that will hurt your uptime or you are worried might kill you. Honestly don't see a reason not to use it on every knockback. If it doesn't work? Doesn't matter. Pull-ins are less important, to be honest. I mained SAM throughout SB but didn't play for over a year before ShB tbh so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Also its pretty amazing on Tank and should basically be used on CD in pulls because of the Slow.

Mostly useless but very useful when it is actually useful. There was some big attack from the trash at the end of Mt Gulg I was able to interrupt. It's as useful as the devs choose to make it by way of their content design.

Interject is now the fancy word for "Silence."
Anything that could be Silenced in 2.0 - 4.5 by Bard or Paladin can now be Interjected instead.
Silence only works on Spells.
Things like Water, Aero, Thunder, etc. And of course, some have much fancier names.

Stun should be saved for stopping physical Abilities like Final Sting etc.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

I admit, I thought interject was going to have more play than what i'm currently finding.

I feel its mostly useless at this stage in the game (though future raids pending of course) for these three reasons:

1. I'm struggling to think of a boss that has a move that can be interjected
2. Most mobs that have a move that can be interjected can also be stunned to the same effect of canceling the move.
3. A good amount of trash mobs that have a move that can be interjected have such a fast cast time that it's almost impossible to catch the spell to interject it (example, the fire doom walls in the Hell's Lid).

What do you all think?

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Not mostly, it is useless.
Thrash mobs pulls pass usually unnoticed and in the only chance where stopping an attack would make difference (boss battles) the attacks are all unblockable. Also as other people pointed out the ability overlap with stun

It's literally just the new "silence." You can use it to stop spells, like scylla/xande nukes during WoD, or the paralyze during Qarn, etc. Its functionality hasn't changed at all. It used to say "inflicts silence for one second," now it says "interrupts." Both ranged and tanks already had these abilities, they already had their place, it's just been highlighted so people stop screwing it up/ignoring it.

What I find odd is how they made a system around this skill to highlight skills that can be interrupted but there's some that don't show this that can still be interrupted. I don't get it tbh.

some A mark hunts attacks can be interjected, but I think they reworked it for a reason. it might be used in end game stuff to some degree like it once was in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Hopecord

it might be used in end game stuff to some degree like it once was in 2.0

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Whoooooooo, who's lookin' forward to the ol' ADS silence rotation!

The only time I used interject so far this expansion is for the 2nd ShB dungeon. When the little blue frog guy is linked to an add during a pull and if you interject him before the cast it'll stop him from buffing the add.

I know that during The Twinning dungeon there is an enemy on the way to the 2nd boss that has an interruptable ability called Beserk that boosts it's damage. And if you pull big you really need to interrupt that. If you don't, even a well geared healer will have a very hard time keeping you alive. It's one of those dungeons that you may have to use a tank LB if you decided to pull big.

I don't think it's anything new to use Silence-based actions in high end content though is it. Off top of my head, o7s required someone to Silence Ultros from using stoneskin and I think Wreath of Snakes has something similar with the first group of adds? There might be other duties that require the action but seeing as ranged DPS and NIN could fill this role, it wasn't so important for tanks to do it but the mechs still existed.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

What do you all think?

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1. That it ought to activate much sooner, and likely have its animation replaced for something a lot snappier than 3.x Delirium.
2. That if something sounds like a spell and deals magical damage, unless it ought be outright immune as per a boss, than it should be interruptable, just as I would have hoped for from the Silence effects it replaced (which obviously had the same issue).
3. Ideally, it should double as a Pacify as well, since that DR system has been otherwise removed.

i was disappointed to find out most cast bars cant be interrupted, despite the fact you can stun them.
if it can be silenced, interrupt works.
if it can be stuned, SOMETIMES it can be interrupted.
i know its for important stuff when mobs build resistances, but training tanks to interrupt all stunable cast bars should be the direction they go.

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I'm struggling to think of a boss that has a move that can be interjected

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i though any enemy, when they cast something and it has "blinking" cast bar can be interject/stun/disable?

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Whoooooooo, who's lookin' forward to the ol' ADS silence rotation!

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brace yourself, now both tanks and ranged physical dps has it it's possible instead of 2 specific jobs back then. but I don't think it will be used on a boss but on adds that show up who could make the fight miserable with aoe debuff or something.

Is interject required for the Lvl 80 Role quest. I found out that Repose for Healers was required and thats why it was left in the game

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Originally Posted by Noitems

It's because they took away Tempered Will for PLD and made Holmgang simply bind a target now. Both skills used to keep you grounded so most knockback wouldn't happen but to make it fair to all four tanks they decided to remove TW, adjust Holm, and give all tanks Arm's Length so they all can do it the same way.

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I dont remember Holmgang stopping knockbacks for the player. I remember getting knocked back and stuck away from the enemy. Granted, that means I didnt bother using it for that so maybe they changed it in HW or SB and I didn't notice. IR on the other hand did stop knockbacks and I'm pretty sure it still does.

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Originally Posted by Nyxheart

I dont remember Holmgang stopping knockbacks for the player. I remember getting knocked back and stuck away from the enemy. Granted, that means I didnt bother using it for that so maybe they changed it in HW or SB and I didn't notice. IR on the other hand did stop knockbacks and I'm pretty sure it still does.

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It always did.

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Originally Posted by Corath

Is interject required for the Lvl 80 Role quest. I found out that Repose for Healers was required and thats why it was left in the game

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Yeah it is required actually. One of the few uses for interject in this game... There's a tank role boss that casts a spell that you have to interject. In dungeons, It's only useful in situations where there's a caster type of enemy that is summoning another enemy. Instead of trying to kill him, you can interject to stop him from summoning another enemy.

there are some dungeon bosses that get a lot easier with interject. For example the Siren from Pharos Sirius hard mode.