Hello! I'm asking you guys that do you think that the first quests for Jobs are too hard for optimal level? A friend of mine wanted to unlock Bard Job. So we gathered a group of lvl 30 members from our LS to make the job acquiring more exciting than rushing it through with lvl 50 class. We had a tank (GLA), healer (CNJ) and 2 damage dealers, kinda basic setup. We faced multiple targets in the instance and got wiped several times. For lvl 30 Job unlocking quest that might have been too hard, or what do you think? I love that in the Job questlines you need to face some challenging opponents in the end, thats awesome and makes you feel that you have achieved something. But the very first quest that is supposed to be just a prologue for the Job was kinda hard compared to what it recomends in the Journal (lvl 30 and 4 members in that Bard quest). Maybe we didn't just have the right strategy for it or something but what do you guys think? From perspective of lvl 30 players or a 4 member party of lvl 30 players, are the first Job quests too hard?
I'm not saying that the first quest should be soloable with ease. Would be good if you could complete the quest with friends more easily and it would still be soloable but with more difficulties. Even with a chance of failing :D
The first Job quest too hard for lvl 30?
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03-13-2012, 11:21 PMZenchiroThe first Job quest too hard for lvl 30?
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03-13-2012, 11:22 PMWolfie
Yes, it's ridiculously hard. The monsters hit for ~300 damage, which at level 30, is about 1/3rd of your health.
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03-13-2012, 11:26 PMFiron
They have tons of hp they lived from my Blizzara on THM i was like wtf? Also the fact they can still hit a lvl 50 player with ease is kinda annoying they hardly miss lol.
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03-13-2012, 11:50 PMnorthernsky
So I could not log in until yesterday and read all the "too easy" threads in between.
Then I finally log in, take my level 30 thm to unlock blm and thought I would just cheese through, and in 10 seconds I bite the dust with roughly 15% of hp taken out of the 1st of 3 mobs...
I can see it is doable with a good set up of 30s, but most likely, people will ask a level 50 to help them when their own class is not high enough.
That, precisely, is frustrating because you cannot take your own 50 to take care of the mobs. So the "difficulty" resides in finding a higher level player willing to help (because you know that is what people will do) rather than plan a strategy for a nicely challenging solo or level capped fight. -
03-14-2012, 12:07 AMGidonoidon_SurYea same here. I don't have one job unlocked because I don't have any 50s (all 30s) and just reactivated so no LS or real in-game friends to speak of. When I shout for help or to team up no one says anything. A little frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by northernsky
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03-14-2012, 01:07 AMRokienD: I WOULD HELP YOU GOOD SIR! I would go on a level 30 class just for fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur
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03-14-2012, 01:13 AMGidonoidon_SurIts SUR, not Sir! jkjkjk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
Move to Selbina and bring some friends! -
03-14-2012, 01:13 AMTigercubThat's because us Linblumians are superior people! I imagine Selbina is full of vile little hussies :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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03-14-2012, 01:16 AMWolfie
The "too easy" posts are coming from people with multiple classes at 50, and who did it with groups. Yeah, a 50 can solo those. Maybe a 40.
But no group before 35 can take them on. -
03-14-2012, 01:32 AMAdvancedWind
Yeah, I agree with this. You can "cheat" it out by switching over to a 50 class after entering the instance, but otherwise it's very hard to do at the correct level unless you get relatively good players with a varied setup. Definitely very hard to do in a party of 4 players on the correct class and level.
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03-14-2012, 01:37 AMGidonoidon_SurGuess I will have to keep shouting and hope someone helps. Although off topic, they could of involved the companions in this quest line as well...That is to say, would be nice if your companion could help. Think I got a new idea for a new thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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03-14-2012, 01:41 AMnorthernskyOh why did not I think of that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AdvancedWind
But in essence, it's the same design problem. I mean, it's unfair that you could ask your level 50 paladin friend for help on your job quest but that you can't (in theory) use your own level 50 paladin.
That said, I like the challenge provided (in theory) by these fights a lot, I would just like it to be more consistent and fair. I-e, same difficulty for everyone (solo or level capped fight), or if it's not meant to be necessarily challenging, no point in forcing restrictiions -
03-14-2012, 01:54 AMAdvancedWindIn fact, that also works with the NM monster quests. You can put on a 50 job, leave them almost dead, run away till they disengage, switch to quest job and finish them.Quote:
Originally Posted by northernsky
Personally, I think the first case (being able to switch classes inside the instance) is working as intended since most battles do require balanced teams, but the second case (damaging open world NM on a class and finishing it off on another) is not. -
03-14-2012, 02:05 AMAkumu
There is no way you can solo this as a 30. As someone has stated I thought it was easy also from reading all the threads. I entered the instance and was destroyed by bursts of magic within seconds. If the mobs didn't all aggro at once I probably could have survived but that's not the case.
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03-14-2012, 02:13 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Couldn't solo the Bard quest at level 39 archer. Protect, Stoneskin, Raging Strike, Invigorate, Quelling Strike, and Featherfoot before combat. Shadowbound one target. The other three came. Got one down to low health. Shadowbound creature broke free. Couldn't recover enough HP. Realized homepoint was in Ul'dah. Fled.
The enemies have a LOT of HP, hit pretty hard, with multiple enemies, and attack all at once even when scattered (so you can't pick them off one-at-a-time).
Setting that aside, knowing that a party of 4 at even level is having difficulty is quite depressing, but very believable considering these foes. Hoping I can avoid switching to the 50 or having 50's along while doing some of these.