DRG Dragon Sight needs buff/ Stardiver needs Graphical buff

Dnc has an attack buff that increases 5% for 1 min with a 1.5s recast
While DRG Dragon Sight buffs attack by, 10% on Caster and 5% on partner, for 20s with a 120s recast and limited by distance of 12y during use.

Dragon Sight needs to last longer to make it worth the use compared to the dnc.

Stardiver comes out quick and hits like a normal jump that can only be used every 60s if you can get Life of the Dragon up. It needs to have the same impact feel as Dragonfire Dive.
Damage wise for now it's weak it deals about the same damage as the Dragonfire Dive.

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Originally Posted by animeking

Dnc has an attack buff that increases 5% for 1 min with a 1.5s recast
While DRG Dragon Sight buffs attack by, 10% on Caster and 5% on partner, for 20s with a 120s recast and limited by distance of 12y during use.

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The difference is that Dragoon has significantly higher personal DPS, so if you use Dragon Sight during your burst phase along with other cooldowns, you will get a lot more mileage out of it than Dancer gets out of their Standard Finish.

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Stardiver comes out quick and hits like a normal jump that can only be used every 60s if you can get Life of the Dragon up. It needs to have the same impact feel as Dragonfire Dive.
Damage wise for now it's weak it deals about the same damage as the Dragonfire Dive.

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I disagree on the animation, I find it really awesome /personal taste
As for damage, no it doesn't have the same damage as Dragonfire Dive, DfD has 380 potency, while Stardiver has 550 *and* you can use it more often than DfD.

Dragon Sight's selling point is the 10% buff it applies to you. Not the meager 5% you offer whomever you tether. There's no reason to buff it, especially since Dragoon is already stupidly strong right now.

you are aware, DRG is like 4k DPS Above Dancer personally right? :P, Dragoons are prolly due a Nerf, not a buff lol

Because Dancer is a more supportive job than Dragoon and also has less personal dps than him.

If there's actually a job which does not deserve a buff nowadays, that's the Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by animeking

Dnc has an attack buff that increases 5% for 1 min with a 1.5s recast
While DRG Dragon Sight buffs attack by, 10% on Caster and 5% on partner, for 20s with a 120s recast and limited by distance of 12y during use.

Dragon Sight needs to last longer to make it worth the use compared to the dnc.

Stardiver comes out quick and hits like a normal jump that can only be used every 60s if you can get Life of the Dragon up. It needs to have the same impact feel as Dragonfire Dive.
Damage wise for now it's weak it deals about the same damage as the Dragonfire Dive.

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Getting kind of greedy there, don't you think?

Stardiver needs graphical buff... I agree I wish it looked a bit more like RDM LB3.

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Originally Posted by animeking

Dnc has an attack buff that increases 5% for 1 min with a 1.5s recast
While DRG Dragon Sight buffs attack by, 10% on Caster and 5% on partner, for 20s with a 120s recast and limited by distance of 12y during use.

Dragon Sight needs to last longer to make it worth the use compared to the dnc.

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The issue with your comparison of DRG vs. DNC is that DRG and DNC will never be competing for spots in an optimized group. DRG is a melee, and DNC is a physical ranged; so DRG competes with SAM/MNK/NIN. Not with the physical ranged. DNC competes with BRD/MCH, not with melee.

Tbh the real problem is he’s comparing Two jobs with 4K difference in dps currently.

You can’t equal a dancers utility with 4K personal dps above dancer.

Dragoons are no longer a “utility” role we are just ment to have some utility we can use. (IMHO likely still too much for the dps we are doing)

Dragoon likely needs some nerfs :p giving them buffs would be ridiculous

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Originally Posted by animeking

Dnc has an attack buff that increases 5% for 1 min with a 1.5s recast
While DRG Dragon Sight buffs attack by, 10% on Caster and 5% on partner, for 20s with a 120s recast and limited by distance of 12y during use.

Dragon Sight needs to last longer to make it worth the use compared to the dnc.

Stardiver comes out quick and hits like a normal jump that can only be used every 60s if you can get Life of the Dragon up. It needs to have the same impact feel as Dragonfire Dive.
Damage wise for now it's weak it deals about the same damage as the Dragonfire Dive.

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Insanity. Dragoon does more DPS than any class but samurai right now and you want to buff its utility even more? No effin' way

Between StB and ShB, dragoons were mostly untouched, with a few additions, and I'd like to keep it that way. The only buff I could vaguely see is life surge forcing a critical hit from stardiver. But even that's a real stretch because it would just be stupid to have an AoE attack that does the same damage as full thrust. It's already crazy enough that life surge works with coerthan thrust.

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Originally Posted by Lannybaby

The only buff I could vaguely see is life surge forcing a critical hit from stardiver.

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I can't really see that happening, both because it would require you to double weave it with a jump skill, and because they just removed Life Surge's equivalent for jumps an expansion ago.

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It's already crazy enough that life surge works with coerthan thrust.

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Yeaaah, I was surprised they removed the "only applies to the first target hit" line from both Life Surge and MCH's Reassemble.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Insanity. Dragoon does more DPS than any class but samurai right now and you want to buff its utility even more? No effin' way

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BLM says "hi!"

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Originally Posted by Vallerie

I disagree on the animation, I find it really awesome /personal taste

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Don't forget that the animation of Stardiver is literally a direct callback to a boss mechanic of a certain level 60 trial in the MSQ (Final Steps of Faith, spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed HW). It's a faithful recreation of the ability for players.



And seriously, the only buff dragon sight needs is to have its range increased to like 30 yalms so that Dragoons can tether the Black Mage sitting halfway across the map. The class is hilariously overperforming right now (most likely). Just, period. A range increase is the only thing that I could get behind supporting for DRG buffs, since it's purely quality of life.

No, Dragoon is bonkers. It needs nerfs, not buffs.

Took me a bit to get my DNC up.
Ya no I'm doing more dmg and more sustained dmg as dnc then drg.
DD's don't fight for dmg based on what role they are. All DD's fight for the 2nd or 3rd spot equally.

That you do better on DNC is your own personal issue.

What everyone is implicitly referring to are the Ex Primal statistics, here: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/28/.

And DNC is dead last for personal DPS, while DRG is miles ahead and in a really good spot in ShB (considering they bring buffs unlike the top rankings).

I love DRG the way it is right now but if it does receive nerfs in the future, they won't be horrible.