Can tanks have Bloodbath back, please...?

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07-06-2019, 05:38 AM
DRKoftheAzure

Can tanks have Bloodbath back, please...?

Bloodbath feels like it should be on all physical based roles, including tanks and the ranged DPS but it's not...
07-06-2019, 05:43 AM
Exoxo

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Bloodbath feels like it should be on all physical based roles, including tanks and the ranged DPS but it's not...

One can only dream.
07-06-2019, 05:46 AM
Reynhart

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Bloodbath feels like it should be on all physical based roles, including tanks and the ranged DPS but it's not...

It would create a gap between DRK and other tanks, since its AoE combo is based of spells :s
07-06-2019, 08:10 AM
ADVSS

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It would create a gap between DRK and other tanks, since its AoE combo is based of spells :s

There is Quietus spam too, though. They gave WAR bloodbath back, in Nasty Flash skill. Funny thing, they got convalesence in another skill as well. Those cross class cd in HW were pretty nice, sad to see them all go.
07-06-2019, 08:44 AM
MerlinCross

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It would create a gap between DRK and other tanks, since its AoE combo is based of spells :s

How much of a gap would it be given it'd be most useful in Dungeons? It's helped me out as a DPS a few times but not to imbalanced levels.

That and coudln't they make it so it doesn't work on Spells like Unleash and Stalwart Soul? "There's Quietus Spam though". I mean if you really want to pop Delirium just to spam Quietus for Bloodbath, that might be doing it wrong? I'd also be okay due to it being a 90s window between the start of each spam session.

I don't think adding Bloodbath would break things.
07-06-2019, 08:54 AM
ADVSS

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Originally Posted by MerlinCross

How much of a gap would it be given it'd be most useful in Dungeons? It's helped me out as a DPS a few times but not to imbalanced levels.

That and coudln't they make it so it doesn't work on Spells like Unleash and Stalwart Soul? "There's Quietus Spam though". I mean if you really want to pop Delirium just to spam Quietus for Bloodbath, that might be doing it wrong? I'd also be okay due to it being a 90s window between the start of each spam session.

I don't think adding Bloodbath would break things.

It really had poor gains on tanks in HW if were gonna be realistic about it, I still think some sort of skill like it, or even better that level 60 drg quest gives an ability called "Draining strikes" Now THAT would be great on tanks,
07-06-2019, 09:03 AM
Launched

Sounds like you just need to play WAR for Nascent Flash healing.
07-06-2019, 09:06 AM
ADVSS

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Originally Posted by Launched

Sounds like you just need to play WAR for Nascent Flash healing.

I wAsnt impressed by it, it looked to me like it was similar range to bloodbath, i think it also needs to be increased to 8 or so seconds, i feel like TBN could use the same treatment.
07-06-2019, 09:07 AM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

There is Quietus spam too, though. They gave WAR bloodbath back, in Nasty Flash skill. Funny thing, they got convalesence in another skill as well. Those cross class cd in HW were pretty nice, sad to see them all go.

Nascent Flash is but a laughable effect compared to Bloodbath.
I hate that WAR can't sustain itself like it could before. It's gimmick gone, and SE's move to rely on healers more seems successful.
07-06-2019, 09:24 AM
ADVSS

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Nascent Flash is but a laughable effect compared to Bloodbath.
I hate that WAR can't sustain itself like it could before. It's gimmick gone, and SE's move to rely on healers more seems successful.

Not arguing with you there, but basically cause of the duration, the returns seemed about on par, BB is only really good for DPS in regards to what it gives back. I also think that NF shouldnt require a target its not going to save you from much of anything anyway. And yeah, about that thing about the healers, they also brought tank dmg back to str, seen a thread pop already that tank damage is proportionately lowered from how its been. Not sure if its true, but Id believe it. I know people preach the gospel about this whole trinity thing, but its kind of FF flavor to make jobs cross role in all the previous incarnations. Again everything can be brought back to DRK and why I just smh. I honestly have no idea how PLD stayed under the radar this time, but i can guarantee 6.0 will probably neuter the tanks so bad no one will play one. well cept those few. Those ones, you know?
07-06-2019, 11:35 AM
gman1311

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Bloodbath feels like it should be on all physical based roles, including tanks and the ranged DPS but it's not...

You spelled Warrior wrong, because that skill belongs to Warrior! The other three tanks can starve!
07-06-2019, 11:57 AM
ADVSS

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Originally Posted by gman1311

You spelled Warrior wrong, because that skill belongs to Warrior! The other three tanks can starve!

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Knight
Yeah that belongs to Warrior for real. Maybe FFXIV warrior, not Final Fantasy's warrior.
07-06-2019, 02:07 PM
NyneSwordz

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

There is Quietus spam too, though. They gave WAR bloodbath back, in Nasty Flash skill. Funny thing, they got convalesence in another skill as well. Those cross class cd in HW were pretty nice, sad to see them all go.

Nascent Flash is not blood bath. More like Nascent Flash and Raw Intuition is Inner Beast with the mitigation and heal split in two.

Bloodbath lasted MUCH longer and was useable without a party member. It was a much easier skill to use because it didn't have a party targeting requirement.

Nascent Flash is an okay replacement though and Equilibrium is great healing now.
07-06-2019, 03:13 PM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Not arguing with you there, but basically cause of the duration, the returns seemed about on par, BB is only really good for DPS in regards to what it gives back. I also think that NF shouldnt require a target its not going to save you from much of anything anyway.

I agree with both these things. Make the target of NF optional, make the buff last longer.