WoD(L) reaction after dungeon finish

Hello eorzeans,

today i'd like to ask a question which boggles my mind recently. Lately whenever we finish a dungeon our avatar just closes their eyes and looks downward a bit in silence.

Before this happend they were pretty ecstatic upon finishing a dungeon.

Does this have to do with the recent knowledge our WoL(D) gained with everything or is he/she just simply tired of pressing on?

Just a question that was on my mind.

Greetings
Aoi

Probably because the Lightwardens were people who were corrupted and she's just contemplating that.

The thing is.. i think we already did that in late dungeons of stormblood. And also in dungeons were no lightwardens were involved.

I'm guessing you mean one of the after-MSQ dungeons? Specifically one that's very time oriented? Yeah the reason they're closing their eyes like that is hidden behind the story of the dungeon you collect during the run and in the cutscene after. Given who was involved in that dungeon and what happened I'm not surprised with WoL got depressed. It /IS/ depressing.

There’s only been a few dungeons where we have bowed our head like this before.

The most memorable is after defeating Edda in Tam-Tara HM. Because of what happened to her, and because we knew her from very early on in our journey. Our character also repeats this motion after defeating her on Floor 50 of PotD, and when we defeat PotD’s Floor 100 boss. I think the latter is us just contemplating his words—where he asks us if we would not desire for us and ours to cast off the fetters of mortality and escape death.

As mentioned, I think this is our character’s way of mourning the fates of the Sin Eaters. Knowing what we know about how they were once real people. I believe that’s also why a lot Sin Eaters are usually named with “Forgiven X”—what they have become is no fault of their own, so we find it in us to forgive them for the sins they committed as a Sin Eater.

However, this is just my interpretation of it.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

There’s only been a few dungeons where we have bowed our head like this before.

The most memorable is after defeating Edda in Tam-Tara HM. Because of what happened to her, and because we knew her from very early on in our journey. Our character also repeats this motion after defeating her on Floor 50 of PotD, and when we defeat PotD’s Floor 100 boss. I think the latter is us just contemplating his words—where he asks us if we would not desire for us and ours to cast off the fetters of mortality and escape death.

As mentioned, I think this is our character’s way of mourning the fates of the Sin Eaters. Knowing what we know about how they were once real people. I believe that’s also why a lot Sin Eaters are usually named with “Forgiven X”—what they have become is no fault of their own, so we find it in us to forgive them for the sins they committed as a Sin Eater.

However, this is just my interpretation of it.

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Makes sense. Thank you. I always thought he/she is just simply tired.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I'm guessing you mean one of the after-MSQ dungeons? Specifically one that's very time oriented? Yeah the reason they're closing their eyes like that is hidden behind the story of the dungeon you collect during the run and in the cutscene after. Given who was involved in that dungeon and what happened I'm not surprised with WoL got depressed. It /IS/ depressing.

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Not just those. Like HyoMinPark said it seems to have to do something with the dungeons backstory. If it continues the trend i strongly believe what i originally said. We are tired to no end.

I noticed that myself back in Stormblood.

Most dungeons earlier in your career were adventures, searching ancient ruins for treasure or clearing out bandits or whatever.

They were fun, you were killing beasts, zombies and bad guys, and you were getting money and loot for doing so.

It's all so much more morally ambiguous and higher stakes though these days.

Interestingly, there was one late ARR dungeon which handled the after-battle pose uniquely - at the end of Wanderer's Palace HM after defeating the boss, before the player's characters can do their victory poses a throng of tonberries rush in, and (offscreen - the camera is still focused on the player party) it's assumed they stab the now defeated and helpless mamol'jaa boss and tear him to pieces, resulting in a humorously horrified expression on the character's faces. Considering what the mamol'jaa were doing to the tonberries during the dungeon, one may think their rancor towards him is justly deserved. ;)

But yeah, the times when the player's character does not do the 'joy' emote at the end of a dungeon is usually the times when the story for that dungeon is more tragic or saddening.

Gonna put this up again.
Was browsing through my old screenshots to see the final stormblood dungeon again. Our WoL was happy when they finished it. I mean ON A FUCKING BATTLEFIELD?! That is either out of place or they seemed really relieved they made it through.

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Originally Posted by Sorimachi87

Gonna put this up again.
Was browsing through my old screenshots to see the final stormblood dungeon again. Our WoL was happy when they finished it. I mean ON A FUCKING BATTLEFIELD?! That is either out of place or they seemed really relieved they made it through.

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I mean, the battle went pretty well all things considered. It was a win for the Alliance, Alisaie wasn't taken until right after that battle. A small bright spot compared to everything that had been happening before.

I thought this was fine during the main story, especially during Holminster Switch of course.

But it's pretty silly looking in the post-game pair of dungeons. Not sure why they just used it across the board.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I thought this was fine during the main story, especially during Holminster Switch of course.

But it's pretty silly looking in the post-game pair of dungeons. Not sure why they just used it across the board.

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I am sure its either contemplating about the dungeon itself or our WoDs are simply tired. Which is understandable from that story imo.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I mean, the battle went pretty well all things considered. It was a win for the Alliance, Alisaie wasn't taken until right after that battle. A small bright spot compared to everything that had been happening before.

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True now that i think of it. You're right ^^

Ever eaten too much? She probably have that same feeling.

Let's chalk it up to "I'm tired of this crap".

After dealing with multiple world ending threats by allagans, dragons and primals, fighting on multiple fronts of a seriously for real war, multiple of your friends either passing or ripped from you into another dimension, being forcibly ripped into another dimension YOURSELF, and in the end absorbing the essence of your enemies causing your soul to break and slowly transform into the monsters you're fighting

... I'd be tired of it all too.

Story kinda explains it. Intro Movie says it too.

The WoL/D has seen a bunch of crap. More so than the other Warriors of Light/Darkness from previous games.

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Originally Posted by Orbus

Let's chalk it up to "I'm tired of this crap".

After dealing with multiple world ending threats by allagans, dragons and primals, fighting on multiple fronts of a seriously for real war, multiple of your friends either passing or ripped from you into another dimension, being forcibly ripped into another dimension YOURSELF, and in the end absorbing the essence of your enemies causing your soul to break and slowly transform into the monsters you're fighting

... I'd be tired of it all too.

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Couldnt have said it better. But we gotta move on right? Until servers shut down or we get a quest chain where we go off duty on vacation. Or an entire expansion for that XD"

It's not a new thing, but it was usually reserved for fights where it made sense. Nowadays though it seems like we do it for every dang fight, even the ones it doesn't make sense for, and the overuse kinda kills the impact of it.

Being sad because you killed a sin eater/lightwarden makes sense, considering their origins.

Beating up a haywire robot in the Twinning isn't a sad event, I should be happy for doing so and at least nod, even if I'm not full on /cheer-ing.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Interestingly, there was one late ARR dungeon which handled the after-battle pose uniquely - at the end of Wanderer's Palace HM after defeating the boss, before the player's characters can do their victory poses a throng of tonberries rush in, and (offscreen - the camera is still focused on the player party) it's assumed they stab the now defeated and helpless mamol'jaa boss and tear him to pieces, resulting in a humorously horrified expression on the character's faces. Considering what the mamol'jaa were doing to the tonberries during the dungeon, one may think their rancor towards him is justly deserved. ;)

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That, without a doubt, was my favorite end to a dungeon ever.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

It's not a new thing, but it was usually reserved for fights where it made sense. Nowadays though it seems like we do it for every dang fight, even the ones it doesn't make sense for, and the overuse kinda kills the impact of it.

Being sad because you killed a sin eater/lightwarden makes sense, considering their origins.

Beating up a haywire robot in the Twinning isn't a sad event, I should be happy for doing so and at least nod, even if I'm not full on /cheer-ing.

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Considering how many times playing with ancient technology has bitten Eorzea in the ass, including multiple Calamities being traced back to it, I think it more than a little justified to be tired of it.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Considering how many times playing with ancient technology has bitten Eorzea in the ass, including multiple Calamities being traced back to it, I think it more than a little justified to be tired of it.

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Maybe, but when it's a fight in an expansion where we've done it for every single dungeon endboss I can think of, I'm less willing to believe it was an intentional choice for that specific dungeon than I am that it was just applied across the board to try to give the expansion a more somber theme. I don't doubt we'll go back to cheering in an expansion or two, even when beating up ancient technology, despite the fact that we should be even more tired of things by that point.

I haven't completed the MSQ yet, but my guess is we are the WoL and this is a battle we didn't choose to fight in.

i kinda wish SE put more animation when we react after dungeon finish. maybe something like depend on our HP when we dealt the final blow to boss.

- less than 30%, tired emoticon
- 30-60%, smile and nod emoticon
- 60-80% default win reaction
- 80-100%, battlestance emoticon

it probably never happen given it just a tiny little detail, but one can dream =P

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Originally Posted by Sorimachi87

Hello eorzeans,

today i'd like to ask a question which boggles my mind recently. Lately whenever we finish a dungeon our avatar just closes their eyes and looks downward a bit in silence.

Before this happend they were pretty ecstatic upon finishing a dungeon.

Does this have to do with the recent knowledge our WoL(D) gained with everything or is he/she just simply tired of pressing on?

Just a question that was on my mind.

Greetings
Aoi

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It will make a little more sense towards the end of the MSQ storyline. You aren't wrong per say in that WoD/L is tired, but there is a very good reason behind it and one that has pretty strong emotional and character value.

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

It will make a little more sense towards the end of the MSQ storyline. You aren't wrong per say in that WoD/L is tired, but there is a very good reason behind it and one that has pretty strong emotional and character value.

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I finished the MSQ story. Can absolutely agree on that.

There is even a side quest in crystarium that gives a little bit of insight that the WoD/L shows symptoms of exhaustion.

I mean after their soul nearly breaking. I wonder how much this really had an effect on them. Gotta say, before the final battle i was thinking for a second: Ok thats it. Game Over..... I know this can't happen cause plot armor. xD"

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

Beating up a haywire robot in the Twinning isn't a sad event, I should be happy for doing so and at least nod, even if I'm not full on /cheer-ing.

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I can kind of understand being a little down after this one though, considering we're destroying the last ditch effort/ultimate creation created by the descendants of some of our most reliable and loyal friends of the Garland Ironworks.

It had to be done, but I'd still feel a little sad destroying their creation.. which basically dooms (as far as we know right now) the Exarch and the tower to never being able to return to the Source due to the timey-wimey mechanics no longer working.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

It's not a new thing, but it was usually reserved for fights where it made sense. Nowadays though it seems like we do it for every dang fight, even the ones it doesn't make sense for, and the overuse kinda kills the impact of it.

Being sad because you killed a sin eater/lightwarden makes sense, considering their origins.

Beating up a haywire robot in the Twinning isn't a sad event, I should be happy for doing so and at least nod, even if I'm not full on /cheer-ing.

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That (in my eyes) has more to do with being paying respects to Cid, Biggs and Wedge that spent so much time after your death to create this thing helping you preventing the Calamity (and you death).

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I thought this was fine during the main story, especially during Holminster Switch of course.

But it's pretty silly looking in the post-game pair of dungeons. Not sure why they just used it across the board.

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It makes sense for The Twinning considering the reveal, but I have to agree with you on Anyder.

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Originally Posted by Conando

It makes sense for The Twinning considering the reveal, but I have to agree with you on Anyder.

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Well you could consider that (spoiling in case)

The last boss was made to help contain the disaster, only for us to pretty much kill it immediately so it wouldn't kill us as well. Guy sacrificed himself for nothing.

Do we have the same emotion for the 73 dungeon? I don't remember but its the one dungeon of this xpac that I don't think it would fit for.

Yeah, it’s in the 73 dungeon too. It got to a point where I was like “Well, my WoL is just tired of everything”

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Originally Posted by Conando

Yeah, it’s in the 73 dungeon too. It got to a point where I was like “Well, my WoL is just tired of everything”

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See down below :3

Considering there was the taint of the lightwardens essence as well. The greater the essence grew within the WoD(L) the greater the struggle was to keep themselves together physically and mentally. Some of the multiple choice answers during MSQ reflect this.

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I thought this was fine during the main story, especially during Holminster Switch of course.

But it's pretty silly looking in the post-game pair of dungeons. Not sure why they just used it across the board.

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If you were paying attention to the lore behind them, both of the post-game dungeons have some pretty tragic backstories too.