More viera hair (And the ability to use modern Aesthetics hair)

Sorry if my English is not correct, is not my first language but I will try to explain my point the best I can.

I switched to Viera the first day, I saw the hairstyles very limited but I though that at least the modern aesthetics one would be usable with the barber service. But nope, no modern Aesthetics for Viera, Hairstyles are also very limited. We have 8 options with sightly variations such as fringes. (A total of 17) And this is too little.
https://i.gyazo.com/c21cce7b64c4c09e...fe45f4c881.png
I love the face of my Viera, how tall she is and I think they did a good job with expressions, but the lack of hairstyles is something that should be fixed soon.
What's the point of event hairstyles and mogstation hairstyles if we can't wear them with the new races.

I can understand about helmets, but hair? Sorry I cannot see the reason here. Especially when the Viera are very humanoid.

Thoughts?

No complaining because you have more than us Hrothgar!

At least you guys have options. Unlike those poor Hrothgars. They can’t even switch between the two hairstyles linked to the face they chose.

still, though.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

At least you guys have options.

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The struggle...

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

Sorry if my English is not correct, is not my first language but I will try to explain my point the best I can.

I switched to Viera the first day, I saw the hairstyles very limited but I though that at least the modern aesthetics one would be usable with the barber service. But nope, no modern Aesthetics for Viera, Hairstyles are also very limited. We have 8 options with sightly variations such as fringes. (A total of 17) And this is too little.
https://i.gyazo.com/c21cce7b64c4c09e...fe45f4c881.png
I love the face of my Viera, how tall she is and I think they did a good job with expressions, but the lack of hairstyles is something that should be fixed soon.
What's the point of event hairstyles and mogstation hairstyles if we can't wear them with the new races.

I can understand about helmets, but hair? Sorry I cannot see the reason here. Especially when the Viera are very humanoid.

Thoughts?

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Yoshi P already answered back on this. He stated that viera will get some of the other hairstyles, but not all and Hrothgar will get new Hrothgar specific hairstyles and possibly more faces.

My post was not about Hrothgar, was about Viera. We all know you don't have hairstyles at all. With you, they have an "excuse" that is a bestial race. But Viera?
They make hairs for Miqo'te and adapt all hairs for that race. But can't do the same for Viera? No sense.

Anyone can link me when YoshiP said that? :/
I feel like I took to the trash 7€.... ;___;

ITT: Gatekeeping that one race can't be happy with the lack of hair because the other race has less. Imagine if we can all admit both races are having a hair crisis.

Hopefully they at least add the hairstyles you actually have to earn/pay for, I have a few myself. I'm satisfied with what we have overall (since I usually just used the same hairstyle anyway), but more variety couldn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Hopefully they at least add the hairstyles you actually have to earn/pay for, I have a few myself. I'm satisfied with what we have overall (since I usually just used the same hairstyle anyway), but more variety couldn't hurt.

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Yeah, that's the thing I thought when I switched to viera, that the hairstyles purchased or earned in the game would be available. At least I hope they add those hairs in the future. If not, sadly I will back to my Hyuran girl or Au-ra :/

The thing is that it doesn't even make sense with Viera. We just have ears coming out the top of our heads, absolutely nothing preventing the all the existing hairstyles in the game from being used, with perhaps the sole exception being the afro.

While I do agree that Hrothgar should have more options than they do, their heads are a completely different shape from all the rest and their hairstyles are clearly designed directly around the different face (which are really "head") options. You can't just throw on one of the existing hairstyles on them, but you absolutely could for Viera.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

The thing is that it doesn't even make sense with Viera. We just have ears coming out the top of our heads, absolutely nothing preventing the all the existing hairstyles in the game from being used, with perhaps the sole exception being the afro.

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It depends on how the modeled the ears on the various hairstyles. Wearing the Gold Saucer ears, there were many hairstyles where the ears would be floating above the hair. So I can see how they might not give all the hairstyles out there as a result, but more options in general would be nice, especially short styles. There weren't nearly as many options for that as there were for long hair.

I think Viera have a unique headshape compared to the other races, so it might actually be more trouble than you think. A lot of stuff does seem to fit oddly, the wrapping across the eyes clips through your hair for example.

I wasn't surprised by this, because none of them were in the benchmark, and I believe most of them will end up available sooner or later. What DID surprise me, was that they released a new hairstyle with the launch of the expansion for everyone...EXCEPT the new race...:confused::confused::confused::rolleyes:

Also really hope they keep adding hairstyles to Viera over time like with the other races, it doesn't make sense for them to not get them if the other older races can.

Yoshi already said that Viera will be given "some" of the shared hair styles and Hrothgar will be given more Hrothgar only hair styles and faces sometime after release.

Funny, on paper the Hrothgar clearly have a more severe problem in this regard but in practice the problem effects Viera the hardest. As in many Viera I see easily look alike were as the Hrothgar's fur/ fur patterns and skin color makes them look so different even though like 80% are using the same face.

I understand hrothgar since their heads are totally different but wouldn't viera basically be the same as mi'qote as far as "making hairstyles work"?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yoshi already said that Viera will be given "some" of the shared hair styles and Hrothgar will be given more Hrothgar only hair styles and faces sometime after release.

Funny, on paper the Hrothgar clearly have a more severe problem in this regard but in practice the problem effects Viera the hardest. As in many Viera I see easily look alike were as the Hrothgar's fur/ fur patterns and skin color makes them look so different even though like 80% are using the same face.

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I actually hardly see Hrothgar, or at least I don't notice them. When I think I do it's a roe.

People are probably going to start switching back, because of the voices and this issue in a matter of weeks/days.

my favorite hairstyle is on miqo'te model but i like aura model. iam still confused why they dont just put all hairstyle on every model male and female.

iam no modelling expert but is there a restriction for this? maybe the viera ear can cause error to certain haristyle or something like that?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I actually hardly see Hrothgar, or at least I don't notice them. When I think I do it's a roe.

People are probably going to start switching back, because of the voices and this issue in a matter of weeks/days.

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Always shocked when I hear that.

Use to think it was a server thing until someone I knew ran up to me and said I was the first one she's seen. I asked if she just started RN or what and nope.

I see Hrothgar all over the place. Since early access has started I've seen more or them than Scale bois and Elezen dudes.

I'm most disappointed by the fact that the hairstyles I spent actual currency on (modern aesthetics) don't work. Why not? There's no reason for this.

As far as hair goes, Viera and Miqo'te are basically the same. We've both got stuff sticking out of the tops of our heads. Ok... so? That means I can't have a ponytail?

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Originally Posted by Nihility

I understand hrothgar since their heads are totally different but wouldn't viera basically be the same as mi'qote as far as "making hairstyles work"?

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The head shape for Viera looks to be the same for the other races
https://i.redd.it/tbf5m2h2er731.png
https://i.imgur.com/KmxqepY.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZUNCify.png

If anything, it's the ears that they're having difficulty with. I'm sure they'll include more hairstyles for Viera, but I am surprised they didn't do that for the paid hairstyles for launch.

I can't remember where it was mentioned, but yes, they said there are going to add hairstyles later for Vieras. In the meanwhile, we got some new and unique ones to test out :)

Also, yes, they have the same headshape, but with the ears, they have to work the hair around, too.

Viera ears aren't at the same place as miqo'tes ears. So hair isn't placed the same way. They have to plan the placement of the ears on the hair so it dosen't look clunky, I suppose.

"We want to make them as unique as possible"
Please I just want the unlocked hairs. ESP the ones I spent real money on. Technically both Hrothgar and Viera got 8 different hairstyles since the hair Viera got are mainly variants. I wish they would do something for Hrothgar too it feels so limiting only having 8 options for a look... :( I was so sad when I unlocked the new hair style at gold saucer and went to go try it on only to find none of my unlock hairstyles were there. It doesn't even list in the description it can't be used on Viera when I feel like that's something you should be very clear with.

I think that the first hairstyles to be added should be the ones people have had to pay for, as a way to make it fair for their purchase. Then it would be good if we could get the in game rewards ones for pvp and the two from Heaven on High and Eureka.

When it comes to viera exclusive hairstyles, the first order of business would be to add Mjrn’s hairstyle from FFXII.

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Originally Posted by myahele

The head shape for Viera looks to be the same for the other races
https://i.redd.it/tbf5m2h2er731.png
https://i.imgur.com/KmxqepY.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZUNCify.png

If anything, it's the ears that they're having difficulty with. I'm sure they'll include more hairstyles for Viera, but I am surprised they didn't do that for the paid hairstyles for launch.

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So this looks like it proves what I was concerned about. The problem isn't the shape of the head as much as there the ears live on the model. Especially with some of the unisex hairstyles, the ears would float over top of the hair. So I can see where several styles wouldn't be incorporated unless and until they manage to move the ears down closer to the head if you have those styles applied.

All i ask me they add hairstyles I bought on mogstation and in game for my viera. That all . :)

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Originally Posted by wereotter

So this looks like it proves what I was concerned about. The problem isn't the shape of the head as much as there the ears live on the model. Especially with some of the unisex hairstyles, the ears would float over top of the hair. So I can see where several styles wouldn't be incorporated unless and until they manage to move the ears down closer to the head if you have those styles applied.

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Looks like they would probably have to remodel the hairs entirely, to avoid some massive issues with ear clipping. Not to mention, they would also have to edit every piece of headgear to the specific hairstyles too, if those were to be added. However, judging by how tons of headgear just clips I think that is an afterthought.

I too am hoping we get more of the hairstyles unlocked - although I do realize they have to adjust and whatnot and that it will take time. So I am being as patient as I can be. My other wish is that they animate the ears somewhat, they should twitch and swivel a little, doesn't have to be a lot!

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Originally Posted by Tyssyn

I too am hoping we get more of the hairstyles unlocked - although I do realize they have to adjust and whatnot and that it will take time. So I am being as patient as I can be. My other wish is that they animate the ears somewhat, they should twitch and swivel a little, doesn't have to be a lot!

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yeah, I noticed that too. Miqo'te ears move, they are so lively and looks really cute. But our ears looks like a static headgear. :/

About the hair and they had problems adapting it.
I'm 3D designer and still, I can't understand what problems they are having to adapt the hairs. Should be the same procedure as Miqo'te. ¿Some gear have clipping? Well, it has in other races too. The "Far eastern Schoolgirl hair ribbon" for example, clips in many hairs in normal races. With Viera, with all hairs looks floaty, but not with the Viera ponytail. That's kinda normal.

About Hrothgar hair, is a shame too. Because they didn't have limited hairstyles, their hair is stuck to the face, so they have to pay a fantasia if they want a new look like the other races. :/
I think YoshiP and his team did a very bad decision with the hair limitations in this expansion.
First genderlock, and now this :(

The problem is, that they didn't say anything about this, at least I do not see it. They said they wanted Viera with a unique look, but they didn't say us all of us will look like an exact clone for lack of hairs! :(
I have really mixed feelings with Viera. They are cute (Really cute in fact) but I'm Aesthetician addicted. I love to change my appearance almost every day, unlock glamours, tint clothes...

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Hopefully they at least add the hairstyles you actually have to earn/pay for, I have a few myself. I'm satisfied with what we have overall (since I usually just used the same hairstyle anyway), but more variety couldn't hurt.

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Yeah, i'm with you in that
I don't care so much about the original hairs from other races, just want the modern aesthetics (since some i got with RM in mogstation)

I only care about the mog station hair / modern aesthetics / event hair (like rainmaker) being added..... I'm bummed over that. The rest I could take or leave.

I get that Hrothgar is sort of a harder exception due to the shape of the head/neck being very different... But c'mon, Viera got basically the same silhouette of an Elezen female, why would be so hard to make them have at least the modern aesthetics hairdos?

I would have much rather we had the cross-race hairstyles at launch, then get the unique racial hairs later. I feel so lost without these two especially:

https://i.imgur.com/wxX5v4a.png

It's bad enough not being able to find a voice I like (I either like the emote voices, or the battle voice, but never both), but the hair is especially my biggest disappointment.

Amazingly, modders did SE job.
https://cdn.xivmodarchive.com/mod-im...c93593b50b.jpg

Please Square, do it officially. We need those hairs! :( Form and Function is my favourite hair!!

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Originally Posted by faris_minamino

Amazingly, modders did SE job.
https://cdn.xivmodarchive.com/mod-im...c93593b50b.jpg

Please Square, do it officially. We need those hairs! :( Form and Function is my favourite hair!!

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Would be nice if we got an update on when to expect some. I know they said they were coming and I would hope purchased/special hairstyles would get priority.

It would lend so much more diversity to the race given the racial styles are pretty but we simply don't have enough variety atm.

Yeah, personally I only like 2 hairstyles: The ponytail and the twintails ><;;;
I would love to see Form and Function hairstyle or Lightning hairstyle :(

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Always shocked when I hear that.

Use to think it was a server thing until someone I knew ran up to me and said I was the first one she's seen. I asked if she just started RN or what and nope.

I see Hrothgar all over the place. Since early access has started I've seen more or them than Scale bois and Elezen dudes.

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I have seen very few PC Hrothgar on Balmung, although admittedly the number seems to be slowly growing. I certainly still see more Elezen and Au Ra men than Hrothgar. The Au Ra numbers might be shinking though. I know of several that have recently been fantasia'd... into Viera.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Always shocked when I hear that.

Use to think it was a server thing until someone I knew ran up to me and said I was the first one she's seen. I asked if she just started RN or what and nope.

I see Hrothgar all over the place. Since early access has started I've seen more or them than Scale bois and Elezen dudes.

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IKR? I've seen tons of Hrothgars around this past week. Strangely enough, not a single 'Kimahri' tho

On topic - I think they should prioritize Mog Station and acquired hairstyles before any of the universal ones, since people actually paid for them with either real or virtual money. That said, imo, there are several hairstyles that no one ever uses, or are literally the same but with different hairpin colors, so at the end of the day having tons of hairstyle options is really just an illusion of choice. Pinpointing the best ones seems the most reasonable course of action.

I would like more, though I am happy with what we have now, there are alot of them that I love and it should be enough for me to use :)