Healer here, not liking GNBs Invun

Hello fellow tanks. I wanted to adress something that i noticed as healer with gnbs invun. So as everyone knows it works by dropping gnb to 1hp. The problem i have with this is if he is using it at the same time when i am using a healing cd to heal him up, he would immediately drop to 1hp again right after my heal hit him, leaving me behind with a wasted ogds/cast and forcing me to waste another gcd for a hard cast cure (in case ive got no other ogcds up.

I must say this is really annoying and happend already more than just once. Especially as AST am used to let tanks drop to the lower %tiles so that essential dignity can have its full effect.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Hello fellow tanks. I wanted to adress something that i noticed as healer with gnbs invun. So as everyone knows it works by dropping gnb to 1hp. The problem i have with this is if he is using it at the same time when i am using a healing cd to heal him up, he would immediately drop to 1hp again right after my heal hit him, leaving me behind with a wasted ogds/cast and forcing me to waste another gcd for a hard cast cure (in case ive got no other ogcds up.

I must say this is really annoying and happend already more than just once. Especially as AST am used to let tanks drop to the lower %tiles so that essential dignity can have its full effect.

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I totally understand your frustrations Healz. I think a nice way to adjust Superbolide would be to give them an invul similar to HG for let's say...8 seconds or something lol. Then after those 8 seconds have passed, they'll be dropped down to 5% of their health bar.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Hello fellow tanks. I wanted to adress something that i noticed as healer with gnbs invun. So as everyone knows it works by dropping gnb to 1hp. The problem i have with this is if he is using it at the same time when i am using a healing cd to heal him up, he would immediately drop to 1hp again right after my heal hit him, leaving me behind with a wasted ogds/cast and forcing me to waste another gcd for a hard cast cure (in case ive got no other ogcds up.

I must say this is really annoying and happend already more than just once. Especially as AST am used to let tanks drop to the lower %tiles so that essential dignity can have its full effect.

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The issue is the GNB in question should do it at a time where you have like 10-11k of your HP left because there is a delay on it exactly like Hallowed Ground, if the GNB uses it when they're at like 70% HP you're trading 70k HP that you didn't need to for an invuln that could have been utilized better with a healer if you use it at the right time. I've been using it when I know I can trade 10-11k HP and get dropped to like 7k hp when it goes off so I don't waste healers healing and I trade as little HP as possible so it gets the full benefit.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

I totally understand your frustrations Healz. I think a nice way to adjust Superbolide would be to give them an invul similar to HG for let's say...8 seconds or something lol. Then after those 8 seconds have passed, they'll be dropped down to 5% of their health bar.

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That sounds like a great way for Gunbreakers to die right after their invuln wears off. XD

Fundamentally, Superbolide is the same as Living Dead, which has always had this same sort of negative feedback, but has remained unchanged.

Living dead, places a buff on the target that says when the DRK reaches 1HP, to not let it go farther.

Superbolide just skips the part when you must have your HP knocked down to 1. It does it for you. You then have 8 seconds to get your tank comfortable, compared to living dead where you need to have them at full HP.

It might in play, take a few seconds off the timer because of the need to pop it early for Tank busters, but thats still a plenty of time for 2 GCDs and an ability heal.

You really can't compare any invuln to Hallowed Ground, just from how broken it is and the backlash that would result if SE changed it. Its the only one of its kind, all of the other invulns revolve around the idea of "Your HP can't fall below 1."

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Originally Posted by Awful

The issue is the GNB in question should do it at a time where you have like 10-11k of your HP left because there is a delay on it exactly like Hallowed Ground, if the GNB uses it when they're at like 70% HP you're trading 70k HP that you didn't need to for an invuln that could have been utilized better with a healer if you use it at the right time. I've been using it when I know I can trade 10-11k HP and get dropped to like 7k hp when it goes off so I don't waste healers healing and I trade as little HP as possible so it gets the full benefit.

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Maybe 10% then lol.

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Originally Posted by Zyneste

Fundamentally, Superbolide is the same as Living Dead, which has always had this same sort of negative feedback, but has remained unchanged.

Living dead, places a buff on the target that says when the DRK reaches 1HP, to not let it go farther.

Superbolide just skips the part when you must have your HP knocked down to 1. It does it for you. You then have 8 seconds to get your tank comfortable, compared to living dead where you need to have them at full HP.

It might in play, take a few seconds off the timer because of the need to pop it early for Tank busters, but thats still a plenty of time for 2 GCDs and an ability heal.

You really can't compare any invuln to Hallowed Ground, just from how broken it is and the backlash that would result if SE changed it. Its the only one of its kind, all of the other invulns revolve around the idea of "Your HP can't fall below 1."

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The problem is tho, that living dead does waste your healing cd if you happen to use it at the same time.

The problem is they wanted to kinda mimic how in FF8 you could get hit by an attack and be reduced down to exactly 1 HP. Imo I like it but I have suffered the "...they just benedictioned me huh." So if anything, I think it should be an hp down to 1 but invincibility for 8 seconds motif.

It's funny for scaring unprepared healers, I've had GNBs do it to me, and I in turn have done it to my healers. :D

People say Superbolide is amazing, I think it is the most useless tank invuln. Yes, even worse than Living Dead. Unfortunately, past experience has taught me that Squeenix won't bother to change it into something even remotely usable so I just pretend GNB is the only tank without an invuln.

I'd have preferred it to just be a worse Hallowed Ground by lasting a few seconds less than the mess it is right now.

From my experience healing, I've often popped an ED or Bene right when the tank is about to die... and they've died anyway because the server recognised their death before my heal, but the heal still goes on cooldown.
So frankly... if you're leaving it that late to heal anyway (like I have) then be prepared to have that heal wasted.
At least the tank isnt dying.

I call my Superbolide the Healer Heart attack button, especially when I mass pull and let me health drop to 50% before I use it.

Extra points if it was the first pull in the dungeon.

I have only used it twice so far in legitimate circumstances and it worked out somehow.

I've only used 'bolide after im dropping below 10kish HP.

the only healer thats helping me up from then is WHM with bene. and if theyre waiting that long to use it to where i could waste the full heal with bad timing, then... im sorry, you were cutting the how low can you go game FAR too close, buddy.

That said, time is an eventuality, but I'm proud to say my patience hasnt met this particular situation yet. So... I think having a faster holmgang is quite handy.

"Job effectiveness will vary based on player skill."

Not to say you're bad in particular, but it seems it's more of a player/communication problem than a mechanical one. Granted, there's plenty of bad Gunnys being rather irresponsible with their invuln (like myself, on purpose), but considering the fact that they both don't take damage during the window, nor do they immediately die if you don't put them to full, Superbolide is quite friendly to unprepared healers.

The worst invuln meme is using Living Dead and knowing the WHM has bennies up, and you watch him cast Cure 1 twice and go back to Holy spam.

I love it, but it does speak to the terrible person in me. I will be macroing mine to not give people a heart attack and use it when necessary like on other tanks.

Except in the case of friends healing, I have some pay back to make, I’ll have a non macro version for them to use at inappropriate moments, this is following the rescues at inappropriate moments and playing chicken with my health when I tank.

https://i.imgur.com/aBjf7DV.png

Doesn't help that Superbolide is also seemingly bugged. Apparently your HP goes to one before the invuln effect, so it's possible to get server ticked and die.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ion_activates/

Honestly, as a healer I like it. Because at least when they DO drop to 1hp I'm like "oh okay. Superbolide" Like. when I see that exact number I know it's a pretty good chance they are invincible.

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Originally Posted by SleepyNeko

I call my Superbolide the Healer Heart attack button, especially when I mass pull and let me health drop to 50% before I use it.

Extra points if it was the first pull in the dungeon.

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That's why I macro'd mine to say "POP QUIZ HEALERS!!".

I've been leveling GNB lately. Honestly, Superbolide is a better Living Dead - you don't need to heal their maximum amount of HP and they are invulnerable. I try to pair it with Aurora (GNB heal). If I could change anything about Superbolide, it'd be to add a convalescence effect to it or increases the potency of Brutal Shell's heal and shield. A regen or something on them will go a long way; again, it's not Living Dead, so you just need to get them up a little bit and the invulnerability sees to the fact that you will be gaining more HP on them.

Speaking from a healing main perspective, too. If you're an AST and already used Essential Dignity, don't forget Synastry allows you to double dip on healing effects if you put it on the tank and proceed to heal that same tank (seriously, Synastry laughs at Living Dead).