I have zero issues with SHB tank/healer changes.

There's a lotta negativity regarding the changes, but am I the only one who likes or is indifferent to them?

I love the new DRK, and healing feels the exact same to me. I have all 3 healers at lv60 too so I do play them.

I feel like many people wanted to play a green dps for faster ques, and now that they have slightly reduced dps people are upset.

Meanwhile I see people upset about tank stances being a bad thing how cool stance dancing was and how now tanking is super super easy... yet it always has been since HW at least? (I joined mid HW so can't speak for arr)

It was already incredibly easy like braindead easy... you rarely had to go back into tank stance of you were geared and played effectively. It really really wasn't hard at all.

Just putting my thoughts out there. Critique away.

I don't care how much dps healers did. The problem is, as a former ast main, the dps "rotation" was incredibly boring. And they went ahead and made it the standard.

As for ast, what allowed me to put up with its boring dpsing was the cards. But they made them less interesting to me.

Have fun to all those who will continue. I'm hanging up my robes. It's dancing time.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I don't care how much dps healers did. The problem is, as a former ast main, the dps "rotation" was incredibly boring. And they went ahead and made it the standard.

As for ast, what allowed me to put up with its boring dpsing was the cards. But they made them less interesting to me.

Have fun to all those who will continue. I'm hanging up my robes. It's dancing time.

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To be fair healers don't have a rotation in the sense that you just attack when you could. Like healers never had soild rotations because healer dps is situational. First run you may get 2 heals needed before attacking, or 5 if needed. If people want a rotation though like actual rotation maybe make the 3rd healer melee with combos? Would be unique and interesting.

4th. Wish I could edit on mobile :/

I don't mind healing in dungeons right now, but soloing as a healer is super boring. The rotation is 1211111111111121111....

This is more a question than a comment. How are higher level healers and DPS rotations working out? Are you running low on mana now, about the same, have more? Is Piety shaping up to be needed for higher content, or is it too early to tell?

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I don't care how much dps healers did. The problem is, as a former ast main, the dps "rotation" was incredibly boring. And they went ahead and made it the standard.

As for ast, what allowed me to put up with its boring dpsing was the cards. But they made them less interesting to me.

Have fun to all those who will continue. I'm hanging up my robes. It's dancing time.

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It's really hilarious that people can't tell that a healer isnt supposed to have a complex or even sort of complex DAMAGE rotation. Otherwise they would I dunno be damage dealers, you are a healer your damage rotation is to get you through MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

It's really hilarious that people can't tell that a healer isnt supposed to have a complex or even sort of complex DAMAGE rotation. Otherwise they would I dunno be damage dealers, you are a healer your damage rotation is to get you through MSQ.

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And yet 90% of our combat time is spent using dps actions.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

If people want a rotation though like actual rotation maybe make the 3rd healer melee with combos? Would be unique and interesting.

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Or have a healer who healed by doing damage, like the discipline priest on World of Warcraft.

Sounds interesting and fun. Healing through making something die >:D

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This is more a question than a comment. How are higher level healers and DPS rotations working out? Are you running low on mana now, about the same, have more? Is Piety shaping up to be needed for higher content, or is it too early to tell?

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I can't say at max but lv60 whm had zero issues with mp. I've heard ast an sch are having issues but it's hard to gauge this early on

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Sounds interesting and fun. Healing through making something die >:D

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It's really fun and challenging. You place a buff on your party members called atonement, which heals those party members for about half of the damage you inflict for 20s or so, then you just DPS your heart out :P

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It's really fun and challenging. You place a buff on your party members called atonement, which heals those party members for about half of the damage you inflict for 20s or so, then you just DPS your heart out :P

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Would satisfy those who want interesting healers, and those who want a more damage based healer.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

And yet 90% of our combat time is spent using dps actions.

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Do you want to be a healer or a damage dealing class, choose one not both.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

Do you want to be a healer or a damage dealing class, choose one not both.

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That's not how FFXIV works.

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

That's not how FFXIV works.

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The dev team really should have went all in one direction, but instead they have a damage rotation that seems fit for WOW style healing, where you rarely press damage abilities and spam heals
but outgoing damage is still the same so healers are just a boring spam 1 sometimes 2 rotation amalgam of no fun at all
Either go all in and make damage meaningful so the boring rotation is less noticeable, or give healers more damage buttons to press
that's my take on the whole healing thing

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Do you want to be a healer or a damage dealing class, choose one not both.

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Is Warrior your main? I'm curious.

I like the changes, so far... but I have to say.... mp is a bigger concern on my non-whm healers than before. It's not a problem since I play whm but it was the advantage that others had over whm healing.... now I wonder with the raw healing whm has, what the benfit is- I will say that other healers have been given changed/updated additional tools.

All in all, I am fine.. I'll wait and see. I am appreciating the tank changes. Although it is a homogenization and probably makes more capable players bored... for me, the simplification makes playing various tanks easier.

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Is Warrior your main? I'm curious.

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No, SAM is my main, I tank for roulette bonus gil, so it's my secondary.

Inb4, we you dps dont you? I rather not, I rather the tanking be more complex and harder to manage to make it feel like I'm tanking. For single player MSQ progression I'll take pressing 2 buttons in single player stuff maybe even 1. Or have tank only content.

I'm personally very happy with what PLD got. The tanks that seem to be unhappy, and rightly so, are DRK and WAR, I've seen very few PLD's unhappy with 5.0 so far. Then again, unlike the other two tanks above our job only got more complex, not simpler. We gained a 4th ws to our main combo, a 2nd AoE ws that forms a combo with our first, an AoE spell, a big heavy hitting finisher spell, and a gap closer. And the few things we did lose, may they rest peacefully in that great skill bar in the sky, are quickly fading away in the back of my mind as I enjoy my new things in their place.

Over all, I am one happy Paladin.

I'd be fine with the SCH changes if there weren't dozens of little broken things about how it plays that baffle me.

-Aetherflow can only be cast while in combat, and once in combat /only/ after you attack. So pre-pull Excogs are now out of the question as is refreshing your stacks between pulls. So good luck if Aetherflow comes off cooldown while you're in a long corridor between fights. You need to wait until the next pull to even use it. Which wouldn't be so bad if...
-SCH now has serious MP issues, made worse by that Aetherflow change. Just letting us cast Aetherflow between pulls would mitigate this in dungeons instantly. Less so for Trials but eh, I'm more concerned about my MP in dungeons where tanks still aren't used to their own changes, let alone the healer based ones.
-We have no stack dump. Overhealing or recasting Aetherflow now /is/ our stack dump and it's as clunky and wasteful as it sounds. We desperately need a neutered Energy Drain to compensate. I don't care if it only restores MP and no longer does damage. We just need /something/.
-The Faerie AI got worse and noticeably so.
-Said Faerie also sometimes just randomly won't load in for dungeons or trials? Like I can't find any rhyme or reason to it, but while doing SB related dungeons to help a friend I had to resummon my Faerie /every single time/ we got into a dungeon - but sometimes in ShB content it doesn't happen? It's janky and needs fixing. It's also weird not to let us come with our Faerie out to start with but after a few days I could live with it if it was just /consistent/.
-Why so many flashing light gauges Square. What do you have against migraine sufferers? (Fixed by flinging my Aethergauge off to the side of the screen where it remains in time out now days later... Seriously pure saturated and pulsing green? Really? Of all the colors and affects?)

I'd also have a minor bone to pick with the fact that content feels artificially challenging due to the changes to tanks and a few other tweaks, but I haven't really minded it too much as I level. I wanted more challenge, I got it. Even if it's in a weird way. Only time will tell if it actually sticks past the initial 'RELEARN EVERYTHING' mess that is every expansion. I also don't care too much about the DPS component. Yeah I desperately want more complexity but I'd rather fight to get the small, annoying things fixed first before tackling the bigger issues.