Summoner Tanking Pet

Anyone know if the 5.0 pet changes, such as pets no longer being targetable; pet enmity goes to summoning player - have defeated the purpose of the Summoner's tanking pet?

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Yep, sadly, tanking pets got the axe.

It gives you some kind of barrier now I think... Maybe? I hope? I really don't know

It's specifically been named a "support" pet instead since it comes with a defensive cooldown.

The summoner tanking pet never actually served the purpose of tanking, though - except for very few niche instances like job-quests. Other than that it has never been effectively used and was only called by inexperienced, leveling summoners and annoyed the hell out of the tank in question.

The tank-egi will now fill the role of a support-summon and maybe will actually be of some use in day-to-day life.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

It gives you some kind of barrier now I think... Maybe? I hope? I really don't know

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The patch notes tell you specifically.

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Originally Posted by gilmorej

Yep, sadly, tanking pets got the axe.

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And effectively nothing was lost, because the Topaz Carbuncle and Titan-Egi haven't been effective tanks since 2.2 or 2.3. Pet actions are listed at the bottom of the page. Titan finally has some use again.

Titan-egi has been a running gag for years anyway.

Seems he's got a 20% of hp barrier when you use egi assault 1, which has 2 charges on a 30s recast.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

...the Topaz Carbuncle and Titan-Egi haven't been effective tanks since 2.2 or 2.3...

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Carbuncle / Titan have been tanking my overworld questing and solo duty just fine for 49 levels.

Just because they weren't useful in dungeons or raids didn't make them useless.

Tanking pet was not axed, it's just no longer a Tank in the traditional sense. It casts a barrier spell to protect it's master, and for Titan specifically it drops a molten circle at the caster's feet to damage enemies.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/summoner/ Has the new abilities for SMN and Egis...

Titan-Egi can give the SMN a shield for 20% of their max HP.

With the changes to how pets work, SMN is getting rather large changes.

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

Tanking pet was not axed, it's just no longer a Tank in the traditional sense. It casts a barrier spell to protect it's master, and for Titan specifically it drops a molten circle at the caster's feet to damage enemies.

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It's not a tank at all, in any sense. It can't be targeted or generate hate for itself. The tooltip calls it "support" because it casts a defensive barrier. The pet was not removed, but its tanking function and capability were.

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Originally Posted by gilmorej

Carbuncle / Titan have been tanking my overworld questing and solo duty just fine for 49 levels.

Just because they weren't useful in dungeons or raids didn't make them useless.

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It's not just group content. Titan's enmity doesn't scale at all, so by the time you reach the mid-50s at the latest, he can't hold mobs off of you. It only gets worse as you level further, get more burst damage, and then summoning Demi-Bahamut causes his aggro to reset completely.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It's not just group content. Titan's enmity doesn't scale at all, so by the time you reach the mid-50s at the latest, he ecan't hold mobs off of you. It only gets worse as you level further, get more burst damage, and then summoning Demi-Bahamut causes his aggro to reset completely.

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Your points are valid, but the fact remains, at low levels, Titan did serve as a passable tank keeping the player safe from harm.

I'm optimistic that the barrier functionality may serve well enough as a replacement, tho.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The summoner tanking pet never actually served the purpose of tanking, though - except for very few niche instances like job-quests. Other than that it has never been effectively used and was only called by inexperienced, leveling summoners and annoyed the hell out of the tank in question.

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Idk, I've seen that chicken nugget tank better than some of the tanks I was grouped with at the time. He was more helpful than some would think.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Idk, I've seen that chicken nugget tank better than some of the tanks I was grouped with at the time. He was more helpful than some would think.

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The problem with the Chicken Nugget is honestly that Bahamut stole all the dipping sauce.

Hopefully physick got buffed and isn't worthless to make up for losing him
Doubt it, but would be nice
rip chicken nugget

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Hopefully physick got buffed and isn't worthless to make up for losing him
Doubt it, but would be nice
rip chicken nugget

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You can see for yourself in the patch notes. It just got a slight cast time reduction.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

except for very few niche instances like job-quests.

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Not exactly a "niche" considering how much of this game is designed around soloing and that hopefully everyone is doing their job-quests.

I prefer the new titan egi personally.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The summoner tanking pet never actually served the purpose of tanking, though - except for very few niche instances like job-quests. Other than that it has never been effectively used and was only called by inexperienced, leveling summoners and annoyed the hell out of the tank in question.

The tank-egi will now fill the role of a support-summon and maybe will actually be of some use in day-to-day life.

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No one remembers how we used to cheese Ramuh EX with titan egi's before SE decided to nerf it? >.>

It all falls on the chocobo now. Titan is useless.

Quality time with the striking dummy coming up!

I never used Titan to tank lol but I'm sorry if some of you guys are upset about it.

If BLM is able to solo overworld mobs and solo quest, so is a SMN without a pet tank. If you're struggling without it you're doing something wrong. Titan never had a reliable enough enmity generation and damage mitigation to make it a viable option to replace a tank in any situation where it would matter aside from the very first dungeons if your tank d/ced or that one time on Ramuh where Titan was immune to the TB stacks and could tank the old man as long as people kept their enmity in check, but that was patched relatively quickly.

If you're on the overworld you can use your chocobo if you need a tank and solo instances can be cleared the same way any other dps class manage it without a pet tank. At least now there might be some times where you'll be able to use Titan in endgame to mitigate some boss ultimate moves in raid.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The summoner tanking pet never actually served the purpose of tanking, though - except for very few niche instances like job-quests. Other than that it has never been effectively used and was only called by inexperienced, leveling summoners and annoyed the hell out of the tank in question.

The tank-egi will now fill the role of a support-summon and maybe will actually be of some use in day-to-day life.

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Uh...guess I'm doing it wrong then. I use titan-egi all the time while leveling and it holds aggro just fine. Of course I don't use it in dungeons where there is already a tank. But I use titan quite literally all the time during solo play.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Uh...guess I'm doing it wrong then. I use titan-egi all the time while leveling and it holds aggro just fine. Of course I don't use it in dungeons where there is already a tank. But I use titan quite literally all the time during solo play.

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You could have used Ifrit and killed things significantly faster.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The summoner tanking pet never actually served the purpose of tanking, though - except for very few niche instances like job-quests. Other than that it has never been effectively used and was only called by inexperienced, leveling summoners and annoyed the hell out of the tank in question.

The tank-egi will now fill the role of a support-summon and maybe will actually be of some use in day-to-day life.

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But, but, but, but I used it to do Uznair :c

That being said, yeah, it was quite rarely used to be honest, you're right. I'm not really one to cry at the changes and even thought it surprised me, I thought meh, we'll work around that lol

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

You could have used Ifrit and killed things significantly faster.

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I dunno, it felt natural to me being a caster that I would use a tank pet while soloing. All the other DPS pets came out in dungeons/trials/Eureka depending on the situations and the boss. Titan is the pet I used by far the most while leveling.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I dunno, it felt natural to me being a caster that I would use a tank pet while soloing. All the other DPS pets came out in dungeons/trials/Eureka depending on the situations and the boss. Titan is the pet I used by far the most while leveling.

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No other job has a pocket tank for solo activities, SMN doesn't need one either.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

No other job has a pocket tank for solo activities, SMN doesn't need one either.

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Especially now that it actually has a defensive cooldown.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

You could have used Ifrit and killed things significantly faster.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

No other job has a pocket tank for solo activities, SMN doesn't need one either.

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This, though. SMNs are DDs. The answer is always "kill it faster."

Even using both Diversion and Lucid, Titan was never able to hold hate even to the lowest level FATE mobs - the chocobo is a far more reliant tank than the nugget, so good riddance I say.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This, though. SMNs are DDs. The answer is always "kill it faster."

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I don't disagree with this line of reasoning, and yeah, it almost seems like that's the direction this is meant to push SMN. But. It also causes me to wonder if this could be the first steps towards removing the heal/raise abilities from SMN. You'll no longer be able to justify a piddly Physick for keeping your pet alive. Raise may be harder to remove, due to synced down SCH.

Unfortunately, with RDM sharing that utility (and doing it better), it does also seem like it'd be unfair to remove that functionality from SMN.

Also reading the job guide, I guess Everlasting Flight puts that concern to rest. Extra healing utility there.

While I'm there, Emerald also brings up some worries for me. Spells are all AoE. I can see it already, fresh Arcanists catching aggro off of mobs they didn't intend.

The carbuncle is a glamour but when I read the the new updates on SMN pets it looks like if I use the carbuncle glamour then my pet will do less damage. I guess I'll know when I play but I was just curious.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldDawn

The carbuncle is a glamour but when I read the the new updates on SMN pets it looks like if I use the carbuncle glamour then my pet will do less damage. I guess I'll know when I play but I was just curious.

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The carbuncles have stats and actions with lower potencies because of ACN. Egi-glamoured carbuncles aren’t carbuncles; they’re egis playing dress up.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

The carbuncles have stats and actions with lower potencies because of ACN. Egi-glamoured carbuncles aren’t carbuncles; they’re egis playing dress up.

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And then Kirin is fought on lightsday and summons carbuncle which then does searing light and wipes your linkshell as vengeance for all the times people sent the lovable puffball to its doom...

That was one of the funniest things I'd seen in sky in ffxi :P

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Not exactly a "niche" considering how much of this game is designed around soloing and that hopefully everyone is doing their job-quests.

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My point was: how many jobquests with an instances in which you can and want to tank something with Titan-Egi instead of killing it faster (or the damn thing just not having an aggrotable) are/were there - and how many dungeons, raids, trials etc. are you doing, in which you dont want to use Titan-Egi?

While I agree that job-quests are an important part of not only playing your job (please do them, folks) and the game, in total gametime they still some short compared to dungeons (unless someone only levels their summoner through hunt-marks, I guess...)

For everyone who used their Egi for tanking mobs in the open world: you still have a real chicken to do that for you.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

No other job has a pocket tank for solo activities, SMN doesn't need one either.

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God forbid classes actually be unique from each other.